Posted on Aug 19, 2015
Seriously? Do we really think women are just now on the verge of entering combat roles?
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I saw this post on Face Book, a post from a West Point Soldier I served with (I asked her if I could share this). It is timely, as for some reason many believe women are not already serving in direct combat; they are, and in fact have been for years. This quote is about 1LT Laura Walker, but remember as you wring your hands about women in combat roles... women are a part of our military, and have been answering the call for centuries. When I joined the Army in 1980, the Fort McClellan CG was a female 2 Star General, MG Mary Clarke. I believe all women want, is the opportunity to serve, and to try for whatever they want. Not special treatment, or reduced standards, but the opportunity.
"10 years ago today, 18 August 2005, 1LT Laura Walker was killed in action in Afghanistan. Since the sun came up this morning, I must've sat down 4 different times at my computer, fingers motionless on the keyboard struggling to find the words that I wanted to share today to honor my fallen friend and classmate. With a few hours left in the day, I finally decided to be honest and share that I don't know what to write. I only know that I miss Laura and today was hard. Her family is in my thoughts and prayers. I also know that I was blessed to call Laura a friend; she was a beautiful human being and one of the finest leaders I've known.
Ten years and you still continue to inspire me. Thank you for your friendship, for your service, and for your sacrifice. Well done. Be thou at peace."
http://www.cmrlink.org/content/home/35891/grim_toll_of_military_women_killed_in_war
"10 years ago today, 18 August 2005, 1LT Laura Walker was killed in action in Afghanistan. Since the sun came up this morning, I must've sat down 4 different times at my computer, fingers motionless on the keyboard struggling to find the words that I wanted to share today to honor my fallen friend and classmate. With a few hours left in the day, I finally decided to be honest and share that I don't know what to write. I only know that I miss Laura and today was hard. Her family is in my thoughts and prayers. I also know that I was blessed to call Laura a friend; she was a beautiful human being and one of the finest leaders I've known.
Ten years and you still continue to inspire me. Thank you for your friendship, for your service, and for your sacrifice. Well done. Be thou at peace."
http://www.cmrlink.org/content/home/35891/grim_toll_of_military_women_killed_in_war
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There is a big difference between "serving in combat roles" and in being an 11B, 18 series, or 19D/K. The same reason some people on a patrol get a CAB and others get a CIB, just because you are there once or a hundred times doesn't mean that it is the sole purpose of your MOS for your career. Time will tell if this is a good, bad, or indifferent policy change.
But here on RP, we should be better than the public at large and the MSM in properly identifying what is going on and what isn't. Like most policy changes, the guys at the top make the changes from the top down but it is the Company Commander and First Sergeant that will have to implement it at the unit level.
A lot of changes will have to be made and it will cost a lot of money; this isn't to say it is the wrong or right policy, just that the regulations, and standards are still lacking and there is precious little time for the bureaucrats to type and sign away. I guess we will just SWAG it until more detailed guidance comes out/
But here on RP, we should be better than the public at large and the MSM in properly identifying what is going on and what isn't. Like most policy changes, the guys at the top make the changes from the top down but it is the Company Commander and First Sergeant that will have to implement it at the unit level.
A lot of changes will have to be made and it will cost a lot of money; this isn't to say it is the wrong or right policy, just that the regulations, and standards are still lacking and there is precious little time for the bureaucrats to type and sign away. I guess we will just SWAG it until more detailed guidance comes out/
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SSG Delanda Hunt
This is not Star ship Troopers, bad things will happen and we will all suffer. Grunts don't need this and they don't want it. I cannot recommend the Military to my Son and Daughter because when the leadership no longer cares about putting the best fighting force forward why I should I expect the Military to do the right thing when comes to my Children and their survival in the next conflict.
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I don't think the debate is about women entering combat roles because history has shown that they've filled those roles. It's fact, no discussion there. From what I see/read in the news and have been a part of discussion/debate is whether or not women should be allowed to serve in Combat Arms MOS's.
There have been multiple legitimate (non-ignorant/sexist) arguments made about why women should not serve in Combat Arms MOS's. The most common ones share a similar theme, moral decision-making. I can say (and I'm only speaking for myself here) that I would have a difficult time being an infantry leader with a female subordinate that I was responsible for. As a natural protector of women i would more than likely focus on maintaining her safety and that may or may not take away from the mission objectives, other soldiers, etc. The byproduct of this could manifest itself into resentment or other distention within the ranks that may place the entire group at risk since the objectives are not the 100% focus. I could not describe (in words) how I would be affected if a female subordinate was hurt/maimed/killed while under my responsibility. As a father, I would not want my daughter to serve in a Combat Arms MOS.
There are also cultural differences based on where/how we were raised. In combat environments, adrenaline levels spike considerably and emotions run very high (especially when the fecal matter has hit the rotary oscillator and bullets are flying in all directions).
It can be argued about logistics and hygiene issues; I mean you can't exactly call "Time out" during a firefight because someone is "spotting"....I think it's universally accepted that if s man is "spotting" it's probably because he's been shot somewhere.
Again, these are arguments that I've heard commonly. I'm neither for or against the idea but I can see the potential for negatives to outweigh the positives as a whole. As much as I'd like to say that men and women are equal, the reality is that we aren't. Equal rights, protections, fair treatments? Yes; however psychologically we are different and physiologically we are different as well. Both sexes have strengths and weaknesses as well as varying strengths/weaknesses within the same sexes.
I will be fair and acknowledge that there are exceptions to every rule and it's those exceptions that often prove the rule. In order for the military to function properly, all aspects need to operate in synergy. Women and men in supporting roles (especially within the SOCOM units) are just as important as the operators and their involvement in the mission and its success is just as vital.
There have been multiple legitimate (non-ignorant/sexist) arguments made about why women should not serve in Combat Arms MOS's. The most common ones share a similar theme, moral decision-making. I can say (and I'm only speaking for myself here) that I would have a difficult time being an infantry leader with a female subordinate that I was responsible for. As a natural protector of women i would more than likely focus on maintaining her safety and that may or may not take away from the mission objectives, other soldiers, etc. The byproduct of this could manifest itself into resentment or other distention within the ranks that may place the entire group at risk since the objectives are not the 100% focus. I could not describe (in words) how I would be affected if a female subordinate was hurt/maimed/killed while under my responsibility. As a father, I would not want my daughter to serve in a Combat Arms MOS.
There are also cultural differences based on where/how we were raised. In combat environments, adrenaline levels spike considerably and emotions run very high (especially when the fecal matter has hit the rotary oscillator and bullets are flying in all directions).
It can be argued about logistics and hygiene issues; I mean you can't exactly call "Time out" during a firefight because someone is "spotting"....I think it's universally accepted that if s man is "spotting" it's probably because he's been shot somewhere.
Again, these are arguments that I've heard commonly. I'm neither for or against the idea but I can see the potential for negatives to outweigh the positives as a whole. As much as I'd like to say that men and women are equal, the reality is that we aren't. Equal rights, protections, fair treatments? Yes; however psychologically we are different and physiologically we are different as well. Both sexes have strengths and weaknesses as well as varying strengths/weaknesses within the same sexes.
I will be fair and acknowledge that there are exceptions to every rule and it's those exceptions that often prove the rule. In order for the military to function properly, all aspects need to operate in synergy. Women and men in supporting roles (especially within the SOCOM units) are just as important as the operators and their involvement in the mission and its success is just as vital.
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Women have served the country since it's being founded. The conflicts we have been engaged in recently show us that ALL service members can be targeted and ALL of them need to have a warrior mentality and be able to employ small arms in their defense. There is a completely different set of skills and requirements for someone doing convoy and base security and someone who rucks up for days on end, patrols out and kicks in doors loking for the bad guys.
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In both the Army and Air Force women have been serving in Law Enforcement units (Military Police & Security Forces) for a very long time. Both MP's and SF have a function where more often than not, they get put where the shooting is. While serving in both, I don't ever recall having our females stand down just because we where going in harms way. They were expected to do the job that they trained for. This whole women in combat thing is being way overblown. Women soldiers have been dying right along side the men for quite a while.
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Why not ?? The lines have been blurred for years. Warfare has changed since Vietnam. There is NO front line anymore.
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Women who are in Iraq and Afghanistan already in combat roles every time they on convoy missions.
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To serve is to serve, it makes no difference what your branch, MOS, or gender is, while deployed you stand a chance of being wounded or killed
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First off if you served in the military and you meet the requirements you are a veteran. Second if you served in the AO designated by the Secretary of Defense you served in that operation. You may not have been in Iraq or Afgan but you were in direct support to those in combat I would say you are a OIF/OEF Veteran. Now the question to me is who is classified as a Combat Veteran? Anyone in Iraq or Afgan or only if you saw direct or maybe even indirect action?
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