Posted on May 28, 2014
Scrap the entire VA and start over. Give Vets healthcare credit cards till you can get it right.
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The system is corrupt and irreparable. It needs to be completely rethought and redone.
1,700 not even on the list? Why? For salary increases and bonuses from fabricating low wait times? Throw them under the jail!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/politics/phoenix-va-hospital/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
1,700 not even on the list? Why? For salary increases and bonuses from fabricating low wait times? Throw them under the jail!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/politics/phoenix-va-hospital/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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I support outsourcing the care and I don't see it as being much different as being on Tricare prime remote. There is not a post near by I go to a civilian provider and the military pays. The VA is back logged let vets see civilians and the VA pays...how is this bad?
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MAJ Samuel Weber
What many Soldiers and Veterans don't consider is that outsourcing costs the military money. Unlike the operational DoD, the DoDs Healthcare system has a budget that must be justified. When we outsource care it comes out of the healthcare budget and reduces our budget the next year. In my Career Course (AMEDD) we discussed this at great length. The answer is not to scrap the VA or DoD healthcare system, it's to fix what we have. No one considers that we never planned for the mass amount of service members that would be wounded over the past 12 years. No health system could sustain what we, the DoD health system, had too. On average an Army Medical Center has 500 beds and more than 2,500 staff. No civilian hospital comes close to the shear volume and logistical capabilities of the DoD. Overall your recommendation is not able to be funded. As we say, Money doesn't grow on trees, it has to come from somewhere.
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Sir- granted it does cost money. However when I get the payout statements from tri-care it looks like they never pay the entire cost of the visit. But that said maybe if money wasn't wasted on things like a survival plan for the zombie apocalypse there would be more money to out source.
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SGT Timothy Byrd
I don't see where DOD's budget has anything to do with the day to day operations of the VA & what is spent on care for Veterans.
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The VA is like each state's dept of motor vehicles - it's a big honking white elephant in the middle of the room. Everyone knows its there, knows its a broken and has been broken for years but no one will do anything about it. Everyone blames the problems on over-administration, under funding, the wind on a rainy Tuesday morning, anything and any excuse but still nothing gets fixed. Right now you'd think we have the best possible chance of getting things fixed with a former Army chief of staff at the helm - and still nothing. Time to start fresh - unless of course they scrap it all and leave vets at the mercy of obama-care.
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Let the VA work it out but under severe scrutiny. As I type this I realize I sound like a Polly Anna. If they can't work it out then scrap it and start over. We've touched on this in other discussions but in order for effective change to happen within the VA there has to be a culture change. There is a poisonous culture a muck in the VA system and until that's eradicated, nothing effective can happen in my book.
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TSgt Kevin Buccola
The VA and Government will work it out - There will be major leadership changes and policy changes. Things will get better.
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I say scrap the VA & start over but until things are fixed & running properly issue Medical credit cards so we can go get Proper care in the private sector.
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Privatize it, outsource it, completely revamp VA, definitely give me CIVILIAN HEALTH CARE OPTIONS, VA MEDICAL CARE COMPLETE FAILURE!! I can personally give them good credit for Rehab services (Alcohol/Drug Treatment, Domiciliary/Homeless Vet programs are quite excellent).
As a Disabled Veteran through the VA, I am effectively forced to use only the VA system at this time. Due to the severe abuses by the masses concerning Pain Management/Pain medication alone, many of us veterans with legitimate and well documented diagnoses warranting pain medication have been either cut off or treated as dirty drug addicts :( Because of this issue, I personally have been forced to pay out of pocket in civilian sector for this treatment, which costs me over $600 month! That is $200 for a 10 minute office visit and close to $400 for a COMMON and GENERIC Pain medication from WalMart Pharmacy! Get insurance you say? Who the frak is going to issue me insurance with prior medical history, military related, of PTSD and the lovely diagnoses of Opiate Addiction (thank you for that one VA, I wasn't depressed enough already :( I apologize for responding with this on RP, which I have enjoyed because I feel like I'm a part of something honorable again, but this is not a unique story at all. I wish I could suck up this pain, but I've tried everything else and I'm miserable without some kind of opiate medication relief....and FYI, I just left Phoenix area and I concur, that VA system was so (apology for rare curse word on this great site) Phoenix VA system was FUCKED! First hand experience from me to you....want to know how bad? Ask me, I'll share my story. Doc Hill, honorably discharged wounded warrior and now Dirty filthy drug-addict per PHOENIX VA!!!!
As a Disabled Veteran through the VA, I am effectively forced to use only the VA system at this time. Due to the severe abuses by the masses concerning Pain Management/Pain medication alone, many of us veterans with legitimate and well documented diagnoses warranting pain medication have been either cut off or treated as dirty drug addicts :( Because of this issue, I personally have been forced to pay out of pocket in civilian sector for this treatment, which costs me over $600 month! That is $200 for a 10 minute office visit and close to $400 for a COMMON and GENERIC Pain medication from WalMart Pharmacy! Get insurance you say? Who the frak is going to issue me insurance with prior medical history, military related, of PTSD and the lovely diagnoses of Opiate Addiction (thank you for that one VA, I wasn't depressed enough already :( I apologize for responding with this on RP, which I have enjoyed because I feel like I'm a part of something honorable again, but this is not a unique story at all. I wish I could suck up this pain, but I've tried everything else and I'm miserable without some kind of opiate medication relief....and FYI, I just left Phoenix area and I concur, that VA system was so (apology for rare curse word on this great site) Phoenix VA system was FUCKED! First hand experience from me to you....want to know how bad? Ask me, I'll share my story. Doc Hill, honorably discharged wounded warrior and now Dirty filthy drug-addict per PHOENIX VA!!!!
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Fix what we have. As the Surgeon General has stated "We must move from a healthcare system to a System of Health."
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The VA Medical system should be privatized. So should many other federal programs (Post Office comes to mind immediately). Each day we find out that there are more and deeper SYSTEMIC problems... that means it's the entire system and not just isolated to a few locations. How can we expect to change an entire culture of corruption? (ok, now I'm thinking this last statement could apply to Congress as well!) I have to believe that privatization would be more cost effective in the long run AND provide better care to our Veterans.
End rant. Thanks for listening.
End rant. Thanks for listening.
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As much as I would love to say to scrap the VA as a whole, I cannot in good faith say that.
There are aspects of the system that work correctly, and aspects that don't.
As an example, the Education portion is pretty efficient.
The Health Care portion is "bogged down" though.
Were it up to me? The Health Card aspect makes "some" sense, but we still need to account for Disability Payments, etc.
There are aspects of the system that work correctly, and aspects that don't.
As an example, the Education portion is pretty efficient.
The Health Care portion is "bogged down" though.
Were it up to me? The Health Card aspect makes "some" sense, but we still need to account for Disability Payments, etc.
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Everyone wants to create insurance programs ie tricare, obamacare and Medicare. However, the problem with the whole healthcare system is a shortage of providers and all the insurance and government programs can't fix that. We must encourage more people to enter the medical profession, because the increased number of patients due to the baby boomers becoming seniors, then we complicate the whole thing by involving ourselves in a prolonged conflict with no way for the system to handle the increase in wounded veterans. I don't proport to know the answer, but a new insurance scheme won't fix it
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Sorry if I am in the minority, but I work at the VA, the najority of the problems are in one area, it can and WILL be fixed
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