Scenario: A Soldier gets QMP'D over 15 but less than 18. How is that fair when a QSP and Officer are both entitled to a retirement?

2016-05-17T12:57:36-04:00

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 1:03 PM

2016-05-17T13:03:36-04:00

According to National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), Public Law 112-81, enacted 31 December 2011, This is a discretionary authority and not an entitlement.
This early retirement benefit will not be extended to Soldiers who:
a. Were previously separated under Voluntary Separation Incentive (VSI), Special Separation Benefit (SSB), or Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) programs.
b. Are under evaluation for disability retirement under Title 10, Chapter 61.
c. Are members of the Army National Guard or U.S. Army Reserves.

These are the only thing that would exclude them.

Response by SSG Derrick L. Lewis MBA, C-HRM made May 17 at 2016 1:03 PM

2016-05-17T13:03:58-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member ,
Great thought provoking question!!

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 1:04 PM

2016-05-17T13:04:14-04:00

As SGM Erik Marquez stated in another post, quality people are not getting QMP'ed

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made May 17 at 2016 1:17 PM

2016-05-17T13:17:10-04:00

Borrow a little from MAJ Carl Ballinger . A QMP is for misconduct and an NCO is essentially being fired by a centralized board. A QSP is based upon determined potential; the Officer is essentially being laid-off by a centralized board. Now the type of misconduct for a QMP is where things get debatable. It could be something bad like a SHARP or EO issue, or something minor like a dust up with your rating chain. I don’t think it is fair for the minor offenses, but on the serious ones the question becomes why were they not already chaptered. TERA is not an entitlement, so you cannot assume it is guaranteed. If TERA was guaranteed, you would have a spate of SM’s suddenly get fat or fail their APFT at the 15 year mark and exit with a pro-rated retirement.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 3:22 PM

2016-05-17T15:22:26-04:00

Its interesting how NCOs with real misconduct and or GOMRs are retained but a NCO that failed Tape prior to his NCOER and then off the program 2 months later gets QMPed. I mean the SF NCO that committed assault on the Afgan police officer, his chain of command obviously though it was serious enough to get a GOMR and gets retained.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 4:07 PM

2016-05-17T16:07:35-04:00

I would somewhat disagree about quality people are not getting qmp'd. Plenty of quality people are getting qmp'd. Just because they made one mistake in their career, served their punishment and drove on. Isn't that what the army is preaching right now resiliency? If a soldier messes up one time and gets punished and then bounces back isn't that a prime example of resiliency? The army needs to look at everyone for qmp. I know plenty of soldiers who have had dui's, sharp,eo, and other violations swept under the rug. It's a flawed system that nobody is in a hurry to fix.

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made May 17 at 2016 4:39 PM

2016-05-17T16:39:18-04:00

Some people need to be fired and the QMP is great for that. So no sympathy for many offenses. However, the QMP method is busted. A centralized board is eliminating personnel for offenses from x years ago, because for whatever reason the commanders didn't do it when the offense occurred. To strike people down for one blemish creates a yes-man careerism mentality. I guess one dust up with your rating chain can end your career. It may not be enough to get an article 15 or court martial, but can end your career during a draw down if it goes in the eval? Who is going to be left to advice leaders on poor decisions if your career can be buried without due process?
I'm not getting separated or handed an OSB, but you have to recognize flaws within a system to try and fix it. Otherwise, you are canning the wrong people.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 1:39 PM

2019-02-20T13:39:41-05:00

Is it possible to go into the Reserve if you get QMP'd?