SGM Matthew Quick12243<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What color PT belt does your unit/installation wear? Is it based on rank?<br><br>Do you only wear PT belts for PT? When else do you wear PT belts?<br><br>With reflective PT uniforms, do PT belts actually create a safer environment?<br>PT Belts: Are we creating safety-overkill?2013-11-26T22:14:01-05:00SGM Matthew Quick12243<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What color PT belt does your unit/installation wear? Is it based on rank?<br><br>Do you only wear PT belts for PT? When else do you wear PT belts?<br><br>With reflective PT uniforms, do PT belts actually create a safer environment?<br>PT Belts: Are we creating safety-overkill?2013-11-26T22:14:01-05:002013-11-26T22:14:01-05:00SGM Matthew Quick12246<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><span style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;">Wearing PT belts (across shoulder) when conducting police calls/clean-up at high-noon on a clear day...stop the madness!</span>Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Nov 26 at 2013 10:15 PM2013-11-26T22:15:21-05:002013-11-26T22:15:21-05:00SGM Matthew Quick12249<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When working in a joint environment, our sister services snicker and make jokes about our 'over-use' of the PT belts. Isn't this a form of bullying? :(Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Nov 26 at 2013 10:17 PM2013-11-26T22:17:44-05:002013-11-26T22:17:44-05:00SSG Robert Burns12251<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Better yet tell me where this is in 670-1???Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 26 at 2013 10:18 PM2013-11-26T22:18:53-05:002013-11-26T22:18:53-05:00SSG Robert Burns12286<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There was actually a study done not too long ago that found PT belts are dangerous because we've conditioned ourselves to look for them and when we don't see them we assume there's no one there. So the people who aren't wearing them are almost invisible.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 26 at 2013 11:23 PM2013-11-26T23:23:59-05:002013-11-26T23:23:59-05:00SSG Robert Burns12287<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sometime in the mid 2000's there must have been a bajillion soldiers ran over on post.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 26 at 2013 11:24 PM2013-11-26T23:24:47-05:002013-11-26T23:24:47-05:001SG Private RallyPoint Member12295<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I saw something saying that the new PT uniforms may not be made of refective material; because why spend that extra money when we are just going to throw a PT belt over it. My current unit in Korea we are not required to wear them because why my jacket is reflective. Best thing i have heard of.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2013 11:37 PM2013-11-26T23:37:56-05:002013-11-26T23:37:56-05:00CSM Mike Maynard12339<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Our unit wears reflective belts when needed - imagine that. We actually have leaders do risk assessments to determine if they need to wear them or not.<div><br></div><div>8th Army in Korea started having this discussion a couple months ago and they determined the same thing - Reflective belts are "safety" items, not "uniform" items. They changed their policy.</div><div><br></div><div>We can only hope that common sense takes hold in other places so that the wearing of the reflective belt isn't looked upon so humorously.</div>Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Nov 27 at 2013 3:00 AM2013-11-27T03:00:04-05:002013-11-27T03:00:04-05:00MAJ Private RallyPoint Member12366<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I will make fun of the PT belt as much as the next guy, it really is no skin off my back to wear it. However, I think it's indicative of a greater problem within the military: personal accountability is conflated with leadership. <div><br></div><div>I know it is all under the auspices of safety, but there is an inherent lack of trust institutionally when we have numerous reflective articles of clothing on...on top of a gaudy-colored belt. </div>Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2013 7:23 AM2013-11-27T07:23:08-05:002013-11-27T07:23:08-05:00CPT Mike M.12375<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here at the "Great Place" (Fort Hood) units have no choice but to do PT, unit runs in particular, on one road.&nbsp; That road is blocked off to all traffic during PT hours....Here's the kicker, units are conducting PT on a road devoid of all traffic, in a uniform that's naturally reflective, and we still wear PT belts.&nbsp; I'm sorry but how does that make sense to anyone?&nbsp; It's so blatantly obvious among every single person who I've ever talked to so how is it not obvious to the higher ups who make that call?&nbsp; Look, there's doing the right thing, then there's going above and beyond, and then there's this in a whole league of its own.&nbsp; I think those who institute policies like this need to be forced into retirement for clear inability to make effective decisions that pass a common sense test.Response by CPT Mike M. made Nov 27 at 2013 8:02 AM2013-11-27T08:02:07-05:002013-11-27T08:02:07-05:00MAJ Laurie H.12384<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We all wear yellow Army Safety Straps regardless of ranks. We wear our A.S.Ss for PT, in the motor pools, near moving vehicles, and anywhere outside ebtween 1800 (or sundown) and 0600. It creates great opportunities for harrassing the new LT for not having one at all times on his/her first day of his/her first drill.Response by MAJ Laurie H. made Nov 27 at 2013 8:20 AM2013-11-27T08:20:39-05:002013-11-27T08:20:39-05:00CPT Private RallyPoint Member12387<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>We don't really use them at PT. Primarily because not everyone has them and we are Reservists typically conducting PT in closed area. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I would say that the most useful aspect of the PT belt for us is not for PT, but for working around equipment on jobsites during low light/low visibility times. It's often hard to see someone from a D-7 dozer, a Scraper, or any other piece of equipment, so the PT belt can help. </p>Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2013 8:25 AM2013-11-27T08:25:46-05:002013-11-27T08:25:46-05:00SFC Josh Watson12430<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The PT belt is the "Bacon" of PPE!Response by SFC Josh Watson made Nov 27 at 2013 10:16 AM2013-11-27T10:16:29-05:002013-11-27T10:16:29-05:00SSG Robert Burns12441<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I retire as a CSM I'm going to implement a new uniform item and then start the only business that sells them, all in the name of safety. Maybe a reflective fleece cap.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 27 at 2013 10:42 AM2013-11-27T10:42:57-05:002013-11-27T10:42:57-05:00SFC Michael Boulanger12459<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>What color PT belt does your unit/installation wear? Yellow or what ever they show up with, if they show up with one </p><p> </p><p>Is it based on rank? refer to the first question<br><br>Do you only wear PT belts for PT? No, also used for situations in which additional safety measures are needed</p><p> </p><p>When else do you wear PT belts? Refer to questions 1 and 2<br><br>With reflective PT uniforms, do PT belts actually create a safer environment? no but it makes the 1SG and SGM feel at ease</p>Response by SFC Michael Boulanger made Nov 27 at 2013 11:22 AM2013-11-27T11:22:26-05:002013-11-27T11:22:26-05:00SSG Robert Burns12481<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When's the last time someone was hit by a car on post during PT hours while the roads were closed...go ahead I'll wait.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 27 at 2013 12:36 PM2013-11-27T12:36:38-05:002013-11-27T12:36:38-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member12527<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Wow! After reading some of the responses about the PT belt, no wonder why everyone wants it gone. Some of the units here wear the PT belt in this order:</p><br /><p>Yellow: Enlisted, Green: NCO’s, Blue: Officer’s, Red/Orange: Warrant. If the unit has Yellow, then the Unit and Rank are on the belt. Besides that, if your in the motor pool, ground guiding a vehicle in or out, PT, (this includes you doing any type of running or biking military or civilian on the installation, a PT belt or reflective vest is worn) or a Range Safety, the PT belt is on. The APFU is designed with a reflective material in it but the units will still have Soldiers wear the PT belt for “Safety”. But like it has already been stated, "How safe?"</p>Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2013 2:52 PM2013-11-27T14:52:33-05:002013-11-27T14:52:33-05:00CMC Robert Young12622<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I worked on a joint base first administered by the Navy and then the Air Force. Our unit was at the end of a dead end road leading to a swamp which hid an Army cargo </p><p>terminal, our building & boat docks, and a large contingent of vicious mosquitos, poisonous snakes, alligators and other assorted wild animals which routinely menaced the crew in the parking lot. The number one safety concern, reflective PT belts. Die because the base logistics contractor regularly hires longshoremen who are chemically enhanced and don't have driver's licenses to move M1A1 Abrams tanks and MRAPS to the staging area. Die because you fell off a dock into alligator infested waters in the dark because there are no lights on the pier. Die because you contracted malaria or West Nile virus from the mosquitos. Perfectly acceptable! Formation run in broad daylight on a dead end street. Major safety violation!!! Help me please!</p>Response by CMC Robert Young made Nov 27 at 2013 5:12 PM2013-11-27T17:12:10-05:002013-11-27T17:12:10-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member12663<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In my unit (for some reason) it is part of our uniform. They say "cant go anywhere without it. I said whats the point of wearing the damn thing when its not visible to anyone . They make us wear it under our acu's . I think its the dumbest thing ever.Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2013 6:14 PM2013-11-27T18:14:59-05:002013-11-27T18:14:59-05:00CSM Private RallyPoint Member12694<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The only time someone should wear reflective belt, if their commercial clothing doesn't provide any which is almost impossible now, is when someone decides to go jog on the interstate in the middle of the day. I have never heard of one person getting hit by a vehicle on a closed road during PT hours. Its an overreaction to some tribal lore event that happened over 13 years ago. Its a joke.Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2013 6:57 PM2013-11-27T18:57:53-05:002013-11-27T18:57:53-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member13045<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ok, really!!!!<br />We are all issued pt belts, but the only freakin time we have to wear them is when you do a company run, or if you are over seas in a red light environment. What the heck! Oh, we'll I guess it works well if you ride a motorcycle too. Yeah, I think we have gone too far!Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 2:04 PM2013-11-28T14:04:09-05:002013-11-28T14:04:09-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member13047<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>We wear the blue vest with rank and name on it</p><p>Just for PT</p><p>They are more reflective</p>Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 2:23 PM2013-11-28T14:23:46-05:002013-11-28T14:23:46-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member13119<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No PT Belt.... we rock the old PT Vest with Rank and Name.Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 5:25 PM2013-11-28T17:25:13-05:002013-11-28T17:25:13-05:00SGM Private RallyPoint Member13130<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> The reflective belt is an additional item to the PT uniform-it is not a mandatory item. No where in the regulation does it state it must be worn when wearing the PT uniform. Second to None!<div><br></div><div>It should only be worn if a leader decides it is required after a risk assessment. </div>Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 6:13 PM2013-11-28T18:13:02-05:002013-11-28T18:13:02-05:00SGT Michael McMahon13542<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, we were just as well off, when we only had road guard vests on road guards. There is nothing gained, sefetywise by everyone having to wear that stupid reflective belt. Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Nov 29 at 2013 10:16 PM2013-11-29T22:16:50-05:002013-11-29T22:16:50-05:00SSG (ret) William Martin14211<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>On my PT belt I have pouches for hand sanitizer, rubber gloves, miniature screw driver set, and a pen holder. Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 2 at 2013 1:08 AM2013-12-02T01:08:48-05:002013-12-02T01:08:48-05:00SSG Ronald Limbaugh14221<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ok... I gotta admit that, yes, we have gone a bit overboard with the whole reflective belt issue. I've been here at USARCENT for the past 2 1/2 years and have seen it change slightly for us during that time. Luckily, the latest change actually seems to hold common sense, as it involves the required wear of the reflective belt only during hours of darkness, while conducting PT, in uniform. Up until this change, we were required to wear it at all times while outside during hours of darkness, no matter what we were wearing (PTs, ACUs, Civies). I agree that the reflective belt is a safety item, not a uniform item. It should be utilized when a risk assessment has been conducted at the appropriate level and it has been judged as being beneficial to the mission and the safety issues at hand. I remember using the older reflective belts and bands for PT when we still wore the old cotton sweatsuits, but they were not reflective. I think that it might help some with visibility when used with the new summer uniform (Army) but the new winter IPFU jacket, without a doubt provides plenty of visibility when hit with light from an oncoming car... almost looks like a disco ball.<br>Response by SSG Ronald Limbaugh made Dec 2 at 2013 2:02 AM2013-12-02T02:02:30-05:002013-12-02T02:02:30-05:00SGT Private RallyPoint Member14646<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My unit wears solid orange PT belts and its standard across the ranks.<div><br></div><div>We only wear PT belts for PT or on our ruck sacks when ruck marching. I also wear my PT belt in civilian clothes when I go running after work when the sun has gone down.</div><div><br></div><div>i do believe that wearing reflective belts for PT does create a safer environment for the most part. In cases such as unit runs which are usually conducted during early mornings when it is still relatively dark. I know alot of times it has been the one thing that has allowed me to spot a runner on the side of the rode or a bicyclist who failed to put any additional reflective gear on their bicycle. </div>Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2013 2:54 AM2013-12-03T02:54:13-05:002013-12-03T02:54:13-05:00SPC Matthew Birkinbine14659<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here at Stewart, the pt belt is part of the Marne Standard pt uniform. It's even specified which shoulder it must be worn over. <br /><br />Units appear to select their own color here, but I've seen some units with mix and match belts.<br /><br />I can see using it during hours of low visibility for pt, but using it as a ground guide in the motorpool, while operating lawn cutting equipment or conducting police call, heck even as a range safety sounds a bit ridiculous. That being said, I've seen units enforce these "precautions" at all sorts of awkward times. <br /><br />I think most leaders, like someone else said here, use pt belt as a "cya" tool. Junior leaders say, oh my CSM/1SG would want this, so to keep from getting yelled at, joe's gonna wear it. Senior leaders, I imagine, don't want the responsibility if a soldier gets hurt while not wearing it. I think it should fall a little more in the category of individual responsibility, as I'm glad to hear some installations are moving toward.Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made Dec 3 at 2013 6:15 AM2013-12-03T06:15:34-05:002013-12-03T06:15:34-05:00SPC Matthew Birkinbine14660<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here at Stewart, the pt belt is part of the Marne Standard pt uniform. It's even specified which shoulder it must be worn over. <br /><br />Units appear to select their own color here, but I've seen some units with mix and match belts.<br /><br />I can see using it during hours of low visibility for pt, but using it as a ground guide in the motorpool, while operating lawn cutting equipment or conducting police call, heck even as a range safety sounds a bit ridiculous. That being said, I've seen units enforce these "precautions" at all sorts of awkward times. <br /><br />I think most leaders, like someone else said here, use pt belt as a "cya" tool. Junior leaders say, oh my CSM/1SG would want this, so to keep from getting yelled at, joe's gonna wear it. Senior leaders, I imagine, don't want the responsibility if a soldier gets hurt while not wearing it. I think it should fall a little more in the category of individual responsibility, as I'm glad to hear some installations are moving toward.Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made Dec 3 at 2013 6:15 AM2013-12-03T06:15:35-05:002013-12-03T06:15:35-05:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member14708<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>All I know is, i've had zero accidents while wearing my super safety reflective PT belt. Coincidence?Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2013 9:07 AM2013-12-03T09:07:00-05:002013-12-03T09:07:00-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member15761<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I believe them to be overkill, especially when our uniforms are reflective. However, I have been required to wear them my entire career (who hasn't?). But I have never been supplied one by the unit. That being said, if we are required to wear them I wish that AR 670-1 would just MAKE A STANDARD for what COLOR!! Every unit I have been to is different.. I have over 20 belts in a rainbow of colors. Is it that big of a deal? No. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2013 12:02 AM2013-12-05T00:02:02-05:002013-12-05T00:02:02-05:00SFC Josh Watson15945<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not sure if it's just a Brigade thing at this point or if it's a post wide policy, but now while conductin PT INSIDE any gym on JBLM, you must wear the reflective belt. This is ridiculous at best. I'm sure it's not in the name of safety (since there hasn't been a rash of civilian/POV accidents in the gym), but rather to be able to identify Soldiers in a particular unit by the required markings on the belt itself. Hogwash I say!Response by SFC Josh Watson made Dec 5 at 2013 2:09 PM2013-12-05T14:09:57-05:002013-12-05T14:09:57-05:00CPT Mike M.16550<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Forget it, blending in to your surroundings is hazardous to your health. I suggest we do away with camo altogether! Response by CPT Mike M. made Dec 6 at 2013 4:17 PM2013-12-06T16:17:30-05:002013-12-06T16:17:30-05:00SGT Private RallyPoint Member16829<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My unit wears our PT belt TO PT everyday, but unless we are running on the street, or playing a belts vs. nobelts sport, we usually take them off...<br><br>I highly recommend retro-reflective materials when on/near the street from dusk till dawn, as well...<br><br>I think that having hot/cold weather casualties wear the blue belt can also help leaders keep an eye on those prone to further hot/cold weather problems...Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2013 7:23 AM2013-12-07T07:23:00-05:002013-12-07T07:23:00-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member18196<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My unit has yellow. When I first got here we had orange and the color was based on the brigade you were in. When I was stationed at Ft Drum the colors were E-4 and below yellow, E-5 and above green, and all officers were blue. I liked it this way. this way during PT you were able to tell who was correcting you. or when you were passing an officer.Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2013 9:08 PM2013-12-09T21:08:16-05:002013-12-09T21:08:16-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member18198<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In my particular unit...... here at Fort Hood, we are not only required to wear the pt belt but it must also be adorned with our rank and unit crest....... Really, no one cares what unit I'm in, plus while doing pt these delicate metal items break and fall off about once every few weeks..... That gets really expensive really quick!!!Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2013 9:10 PM2013-12-09T21:10:07-05:002013-12-09T21:10:07-05:00SSG Robert Burns41422<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The second Tuesday of next week.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jan 20 at 2014 10:17 PM2014-01-20T22:17:58-05:002014-01-20T22:17:58-05:001SG Private RallyPoint Member41755<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Actually SPC Nguyen, wait and see it will be soon. A new PFU is coming out this year I heard we will not have to wear the belt with it. So cross you fingers.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2014 2:45 PM2014-01-21T14:45:36-05:002014-01-21T14:45:36-05:00CW2 Private RallyPoint Member41771<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Never. Don't you follow Duffle Blog? SMA Chandler is going to start requiring every soldier to wear 3 PT belts at all times.</p><p>On a serious note, I've never understood having to wear the PT belt during morning PT when most posts close the roads durinng PT hours and the APFU already has reflective materiel.</p>Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2014 3:12 PM2014-01-21T15:12:30-05:002014-01-21T15:12:30-05:00LTC Yinon Weiss57539<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Army PT belts are a popular target on RallyPoint to discuss/gripe. The overuse of PT belts is difficult to defend.<div><br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/12243-pt-belts-are-we-creating-safety-overkill">https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/12243-pt-belts-are-we-creating-safety-overkill</a> <br><br /></div><div class="pta-link-card"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="https://www.rallypoint.com/assets/fb_share_logo.png"></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-content"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/12243-pt-belts-are-we-creating-safety-overkill">PT Belts: Are we creating safety-overkill?</a></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-description">What color PT belt does your unit/installation wear? &nbsp;Is it based on rank?Do you only wear PT belts for PT? &nbsp;When else do you wear PT belts?With reflective PT uniforms, do PT belts actually ...</div><br /></div><br /><div style="clear:both;"></div><br /><div class="pta-box-hide"></div><br /></div>Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Feb 14 at 2014 7:53 PM2014-02-14T19:53:14-05:002014-02-14T19:53:14-05:00SGT Javier Silva57540<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do believe so. Almost every piece of PT uniform has a reflective surface. IMO, what makes the Army use the PT belt is the fact Soldier's tend to use their equipment way beyond their serviceable wear dates. I believe that have a PT belt at night is smart considering, if you wear ACUs, or even ASUs, you remain unseen. However, I do not agree with PT belts in combat situations even if the FOB is run like a "garrison".Response by SGT Javier Silva made Feb 14 at 2014 7:54 PM2014-02-14T19:54:39-05:002014-02-14T19:54:39-05:001SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member57541<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is the Pope Catholic?<br>Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 7:56 PM2014-02-14T19:56:52-05:002014-02-14T19:56:52-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member57848<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My battalion recently told us we cant use PT belts no more except for the road guards.Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 12:15 PM2014-02-15T12:15:06-05:002014-02-15T12:15:06-05:00MSG Private RallyPoint Member57862<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, absolutely. <br><br>Most especially when Soldiers on Prosperity in Baghdad (FOB surrounded by high rise buildings) were forced to wear them at night.<br><br>One of my favorite things on Facebook was the new PT uniform being made from 100% recycled PT belts with a note that "PT belt still required".<br>Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 1:03 PM2014-02-15T13:03:58-05:002014-02-15T13:03:58-05:001SG Private RallyPoint Member57927<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, I believe it is. With roads constantly be blocked off for PT and the built in reflective nature of the uniform, what is the purpose of an extra belt? I can see using it at night when in ACUs for detail or for safety purposes, but not at morning PT. And, at Fort Hood, it was REQUIRED piece of the uniform when you went to the GYM!? I mean really, in the GYM? Am in danger of being hit by a car who won't see me IN THE GYM!?Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 3:18 PM2014-02-15T15:18:00-05:002014-02-15T15:18:00-05:00SSG Robert Burns57947<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No more than Rally Point is with seeing this question posted over and over.Response by SSG Robert Burns made Feb 15 at 2014 3:47 PM2014-02-15T15:47:53-05:002014-02-15T15:47:53-05:00MSG(P) Thomas Finn58690<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have four deployments under my belt with one pending, I personally know of one to many accidents that could have been prevented with the proper PPE. If PT belts can save lives I am all for it.Response by MSG(P) Thomas Finn made Feb 16 at 2014 11:46 PM2014-02-16T23:46:50-05:002014-02-16T23:46:50-05:00CW3 Private RallyPoint Member58867<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes they are getting completely out of hand CSM. I now own a warehouse full of PT belts as the policy changes from post to post and sometimes from unit to unit. I have PT belts with units painted on, plain and now color coordinated. It wouldn't be so bad if any of these were provided by the unit, but I am honestly starting to get tired of coming out of pocket for all of these belts. Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 9:03 AM2014-02-17T09:03:55-05:002014-02-17T09:03:55-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member59596<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Definitely, the PT belt as I understand it is solely to provide visibility for vehicular traffic while soldiers are DOING PT during the early hours of the morning and/or after dusk. Hence the term PT belt. So when I see soldiers in a forward operating base with full battle-rattle, and weapons due to ATP/FP requiring us all to be on heightened alert, it absolutely does seem to be going over board. Not to mention the wearing of the PT belt is NOT mandated in AR 670-1 as a required PPE. Just the mere fact all uniformed personnel, are prohibited from doing formal out-door PT on this post so as to NOT attract attention to themselves so as to minimize the chance of an insider attack.." but u must wear your PT belt for safety"..is really mind-boggling!! Back in garrison, PT is usually done on roads that are closed so to allow soldiers to conduct PT safely. So are we just wearing it because the someone says so. Any soldier that doesn't how to cross the street properly, probably shouldn't be in the military. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2014 8:53 AM2014-02-18T08:53:11-05:002014-02-18T08:53:11-05:00SPC Americo Irizarry59823<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>if safety is one reason i am for it. the army PT belt a lot of people may not realize this is one safety item they should not get rid of why because a lot of soldier's do Pt very early in the morning when it is dark so the belts are good as reflectors the standard PT uniform consists of gray shirts black pants which blends in with the darkness of the morning at least the belt is warn on the waist and it reflects when cars approach the soldiers just me saying so yes I am all for the PT BeltResponse by SPC Americo Irizarry made Feb 18 at 2014 3:39 PM2014-02-18T15:39:56-05:002014-02-18T15:39:56-05:00SFC William Swartz Jr97922<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Yes and has been since 2003.....</p><p><br></p>Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 9 at 2014 8:15 PM2014-04-09T20:15:33-04:002014-04-09T20:15:33-04:00SSG (ret) William Martin97934<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>On Fort Bliss, soldiers wear yell belts, NCOs wear green, officer wear green and what's next? Will Chaplains wear red PT belts, WOs might wear orange, pregnant soldiers can wear pink, Yes, those are good ideas.Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 9 at 2014 8:32 PM2014-04-09T20:32:43-04:002014-04-09T20:32:43-04:00SSG Daniel Deiler97948<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>My answer is Yes. </p><p> </p><p>The PT belt is meant to bring attention to the fact that there's a person there correct? And in the units I've been a part of in recent years require that ALL Soldiers wear the PT Belt. This makes everyone blend in together does it not? Over-saturation is not the answer. That's why "back in the day" we had road guards. A couple in the front and a couple in the rear...maybe even the cadence caller. Not every Soldier in the formation is a road guard so why is every single Soldier made to look the part? I'm sure I'll get a bunch of groans, but why did we go away from the complete Road Guard Vest??? You can actually see that. A PT belt is often obscured by a shirt that has been bloused or even worse covered up by a roll of fat. I know a bunch of people complained all the time about having to wear it but what's more comfortable? Wearing a lightweight vest or a 5,000 lb car?</p><p> </p><p>One thing that always made me scratch my head is why Commanders do not make it mandatory to wear a PT belt/vest for Soldiers reporting to first formation in ACU's or during hours of limited visibility? If anything a Soldier in ACU's is FAR less visible at this time of day. </p><p> </p>Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Apr 9 at 2014 8:46 PM2014-04-09T20:46:43-04:002014-04-09T20:46:43-04:00COL Vincent Stoneking98058<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Going?"<div>No. </div><div><br></div><div>Gone? Yup. </div>Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Apr 9 at 2014 11:32 PM2014-04-09T23:32:17-04:002014-04-09T23:32:17-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member98066<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Well I will answer with the "words" of SMA "You Know What? Screw It, Everyone’s Gonna Wear Three Reflective Belts At All Times"</p><p><br></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/sergeant-major-chandler-you-know-what-fuck-it-everyones-gonna-wear-three-reflective-belts-during-pt/">http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/sergeant-major-chandler-you-know-what-fuck-it-everyones-gonna-wear-three-reflective-belts-during-pt/</a> </p><div class="pta-link-card"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://duffelblog.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smachandler-150x150.jpg"></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-content"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a href="http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/sergeant-major-chandler-you-know-what-fuck-it-everyones-gonna-wear-three-reflective-belts-during-pt/" target="_blank">You Know What? Screw It, Everyone’s Gonna Wear Three Reflective Belts At All Times</a></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-description">The following is an opinion piece by Sergeant Major of the Army Raymond F. Chandler III. You know what soldiers? I'm sick and tired of this crap. You want to keep complaining about having to wear refl...</div><br /></div><br /><div style="clear:both;"></div><br /><div class="pta-box-hide"></div><br /></div>Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 11:47 PM2014-04-09T23:47:38-04:002014-04-09T23:47:38-04:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member98092<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How else will we remain safe without them?Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2014 12:33 AM2014-04-10T00:33:59-04:002014-04-10T00:33:59-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member98137<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They are overkill due to most active duty posts now have designated running routes and no traffic. Second, I think they overkill is that they are expected to be worn everywhere. Garrison, field, combat zone. Why don't we just all wear bright neon green or orange? I believe they are useful in low visibility environments. <br />My question back would be in all the Army accidents that have occurred, did the belt save lives? I am sure it did in some for sure but I would safely assume that is a low percentage.Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2014 2:01 AM2014-04-10T02:01:12-04:002014-04-10T02:01:12-04:00SFC Vernon McNabb103801<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Here at Ft. Rucker, we have three different colors authorized for PT belts.</p><p>Blue = Officer</p><p>Green = NCO</p><p>Yellow = Junior Enlisted.</p><p>AIT Students wear orange vests</p><p>I would love to tell you it is for identification purposes only, so that one would recognize if they were passing by someone of greater rank; however, it has become the mainstream that they must be worn whenever and wherever PT is being conducted. I took mine off in the gym one time, and a SGM/CSM (not sure which) instructed me that I had to wear it even in the gym. I asked if he was afraid I might get struck by a vehicle while benchpressing. If that was the case, we have bigger issues to sort out than wearing a reflective belt inside a brick building.</p>Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made Apr 16 at 2014 2:28 PM2014-04-16T14:28:17-04:002014-04-16T14:28:17-04:00SSG Kevin McCulley117958<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Does a bear shit in the woods?Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made May 3 at 2014 5:43 PM2014-05-03T17:43:54-04:002014-05-03T17:43:54-04:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member238179<div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-8991"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image">
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