PH 1 and PH 2 ALC and SSD 3 Question

2013-12-16T11:58:50-05:00

I have a fellow NCO who is trying to get promoted to SSG.  Preparation, he is working on getting more military schooling completed, and he would like to get enrolled in SSD 3.  He emailed the training shop and asked to get enrolled and the following is the response he received. "
You will automatically be registered for SSD 3 once you complete PH 1 and PH 2 ALC. Since you have not attended either, I would suggest that you talk to your CC and check but you can attend PH 2 ALC as a non-promotable SGT.  However, you must be a SSG to attend PH1 ALC which is the DL portion." <span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;'>So my quesiton is, what are the regulations on PH 1 and PH 2 ALC  for a non-promotable SGT?  Does he really have to be a SSG to attend PH 1 ALC when its DL?<span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;'>

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 12:14 PM

2013-12-16T12:14:24-05:00

Question 1: Is this soldier active, ARNG, or reserve?
The above makes all the difference in the world for availability of school slots.

BLUF: It is possible to get full ALC qualification as SGT non-promotable, I see them come through my course once a month.

In order to receive full credit for NCOES (ALC) completion for SGT to SSG, the Soldier must complete the respective MOS ALC (Phase 2) and the ALC Common Core (Phase 1).
Phase 1 and 2 can be done separately and in whatever order works out best. Phase 2 is scheduled in ATRRS based on HRC's OML for priority. Active duty is the king of that hill. The schools NCO can request to send the Soldier and while I'm always told the official requirement is SGT (P), over half of my classes are SGT non-promotable.
Phase 1 is maintained online (ATRRS course code 600-C45) by the US Army Sergeants Major Academy (USASMA) and it's just awful to get into. The issue is that the course is an online Black Board one that can only accept so many students at a time. They are backlogged as all hell and not everyone enrolled finishes the course. The OML goes like this: SSG in primary zone with ALC, SSG in primary without ALC, SSG with ALC, SSG without ALC, SGT with ALC, SGT without ALC.
After both of those courses are complete, the Soldier should be automatically enrolled in SSD3 to be completed online on ALMS.

All that said, I have yet to see a legally binding document that states "you must be a SSG to get ALC CC."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 3:26 PM

2013-12-16T15:26:02-05:00

I completed my PH1/2 ALC as an E5 and am now just getting ALC CC as an E6 a few years later. Of course since the new rules apply with SSD and they're time-released, so to speak, he wont be able to start those until he gets ALC. Only thing I can suggest is to have him try and put pressure on someone for ALC.

Good luck

Response by SSG Genaro Negrete made Dec 16 at 2013 4:38 PM

2013-12-16T16:38:46-05:00

What's the MOS? i'm just curious to see how the points struggle goes for other career fields. I'll tell you my path as a medic. I was automatically enrolled in ALC. we have a distance learning phase, a CMF 68 phase (resident at Ft. Sam), and an MOS specific phase (resident at Ft. Sam). All of these parts are specific to CMF 68. When I showed up for the CMF phase at Ft. Sam, I was asked for my certificate of completion for the distance learning portion (of off BlackBoard by the way) as well as my certificate of completion for Common Core. I had no idea what they were talking about regarding common core. It wasn't a show stopper. The instructors made a note and moved on to the next student.

I came to find out that common core was what the non existent SSD2 should have been. I as also given the HRC memorandum that discussed the OML. I was attending as a SGT(P). That put me at the bottom of the OML after, what seemed to me, every other NCO in the army. I spoke to the cadre and my schools NCO, and received a common core slot for roughly five months after graduating ALC. Unfortunately, this meant I could not get completion credit on my promotion point work sheet until I graduated common core.

Depending on your MOS's cutoff scores and where this points are, he would probably benefit more from pushing his correspondence courses. He'll be able to accumulate those hours faster than trying to get into resident course. If he's already maxed out on correspondence courses, then never mind. hehe.

To address your specific question: I can't quote any regulation, but I have seen plenty of SGT's in my classes for all phases of this NCOES level, common core through MOS training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 6:24 PM

2013-12-16T18:24:19-05:00

Sounds like bad info to me. I for one have finished both SSD III and ALC CC and am awaiting a resident course date when I redeploy. HE/she is correct in saying that you will be automatically enrolled in SSD III based off of a pre established timeframe. I've seen plenty of people complete common core as a E-5s.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 9:32 PM

2013-12-16T21:32:28-05:00

I had the same question and was told by ALMS to call the SM
academy to get my Soldiers enrolled. Since I have Reserve Soldiers, SM academy
stated they had given the enrollment ability back to the Commands, so I was redirected
back to my Quota Source manager for the final approval and they approved two
Soldier to be enrolled and they have not completed all of their ALC phases and
they are both E-5 one (P) and the other not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2014 10:03 PM

2014-01-12T22:03:12-05:00

When I went to ALC I had buddies that were enrolled to Common core at the same time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 6:25 PM

2014-04-24T18:25:35-04:00

I have a question for everyone on this forum. I am currently a E-6 I was bumped out of two (2) resident ALC phase 1 classes due to lack of funding in the Oklahoma national guard. I am a 13B30 ALC instructor. I have signed my 4100 for the E-7 list and I just started the ALC-CC online on the 15th of April. What happens if I do not get this course complete prior to the E-7 list being posted? I completed my ALC 13B30 three years ago. I am the senior E-6 13B instructor at my RTI.