Our incoming CinC condoned behavior that's in conflict with SAPR. SHARP professionals, how should we address or respond to troops with this?

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:09:55 -0500

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Nov 13 at 2016 5:40 PM

SPC Erich Guenther — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:40:42 -0500

He didn't "advocate" the behavior, in fact he apologized for it and said it was unacceptable. In my view, given the above, you don't have an issue.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 13 at 2016 6:47 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:47:13 -0500

Back to advocating, are you saying anyone that has a private conversation, illegally taped is advocating? Would Bill Clinton's actions as C-In-C was advocating? Would Hillary's actions attacking those Bill advocating? What did these same people say when asked about that?

It seems you are more interested in a conversation a decade ago than putting these creatures back in the White House. Once sworn in I would tread very carefully with demeaning the President.

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Nov 13 at 2016 6:50 PM

LTC Joseph Gross — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:50:58 -0500

I'm assuming SAPR is something dealing with SHARP. He didn't advocate for that. We do our job the same way we always have. We continue to waste our time giving SHARP and EO briefings that no one pays attention to and has no impact on anyone intent on harassing someone.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Nov 13 at 2016 7:53 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:53:13 -0500

The same way we would have addressed OPSEC and Information Assurance if Hillary was the next President. We should not base our behaviors on the actions of our Civilian leaders. We as individuals should make sure we live up to our service values and not worry about others.

Response by SSG Jessica Bautista made Nov 13 at 2016 8:19 PM

SSG Jessica Bautista — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:19:05 -0500

I can't even.. His non-apology was not worth considering. He would have to start with a genuine, professional apology. Assuming he can make that happen, he AND his wife must be the sterling example of good character. As we all know, once you mess up, no one will forget it and they will wait for you to mess up again.

If he can manage this, leadership should not have to work too hard to gloss over his indiscretion. If you keep the focus on warning signs, safety tips, responsibilities and such, it shouldn't come up in the course. If it does, it would really depend on the nature of the question or statement.

I feel bad for anyone tasked with that job.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Nov 13 at 2016 8:45 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:45:40 -0500

Not that I am condoning what the President elect said but I'm sure when Bill Clinton was President that his record of adultery was not a record to be emulated as others have said soldiers and leaders should just drive on!!

Response by Maj John Bell made Nov 13 at 2016 11:17 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:17:58 -0500

Easy "I am talking about you and your conduct soldier!"

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Nov 13 at 2016 11:35 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:35:46 -0500

When did Trump "condone" such behavior?

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 12:35 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:35:18 -0500

I would go about this by explaining this happened 11 years ago. Now it is not right and it should have never happened. But, our incoming CinC may be a completely changed and different person by now. So, we do not need to jump to conclusions. He apologized and we need to make it imperative that we continue on the path to stopping this action and problem that is happening in our services.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Nov 14 at 2016 3:51 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 03:51:15 -0500

One thing to remember when You are in the public eye any off color or offensive remark You make will usually come back to bite You. Move on, keep that in mind and don't repeat the mistake if You expect to recover from it. You have to be very careful what You say and do when You are a public official and that does not mean not standing up for the issues You truly believe in and standing by those !

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Nov 14 at 2016 7:53 AM

1SG Al Brown — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:53:23 -0500

Ignore it. Just like we had to do when President Clinton was the CINC. Is this really an issue that you are struggling with, or are you just stirring the pot for sport?

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Nov 14 at 2016 2:58 PM

SSG Carlos Madden — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:58:23 -0500

MSG,
I wasn't a SHARP or EO rep but I think this kind of conversation could potentially be presented to anyone in the military with a zero tolerance policy on these issues.

I'd respond by saying that regardless of what the CinC says or does, or anyone else for that matter, the incoming CinC is a civilian and not one of my soldiers. I'd tell them that I hold them to the highest standard, plain in simple. It's not our job to make excuses or try explain what someone else does. It's our job to do the right thing and not sexually harass/assault our fellow brothers and sisters in arms and report the ones who do. I don't care what Clinton or Trump did or didn't do - it's shouldn't be germane to what goes on within our ranks. As soldiers we're expected to be professionals 100% of the time even when others may not be.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Nov 14 at 2016 3:04 PM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:04:03 -0500

The same why it was done when JFK, Clinton, and other Presidents had female visitors over to the Oval Office for late night "State of the Union" rehearsals.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Nov 14 at 2016 3:27 PM

MGySgt James Forward — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:27:02 -0500

I assume you are referring the recording (hot mike) comments made by Trump. I paid it zero attention, was released only to cause embarrassment of the candidate not to further any agenda other that to support Hillary Clintons bid for the election. Semper Fi.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Nov 15 at 2016 11:37 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 23:37:49 -0500

The same way OPSEC managers would have addressed a Clinton administration.

Response by SPC David Willis made Feb 15 at 2018 4:11 PM

SPC David Willis — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:11:20 -0500

Honestly ask them if they have millions of dollars to throw at a rape charge. Its been made painfully clear that if you have money there is a separate legal system for you than if you're just a regular guy. If they have millions of dollars Id start out-processing them from the military cuz you cant tell those guys nothing and tell them to do whatever they want.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Feb 15 at 2018 5:29 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:29:06 -0500

In what way? Remember the Constitution and law states that you are innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone been to court and proven guilty yet?? If not, then he has condoned nothing other than DUE Process!. Think about it- someone claims you sexually assaulted them- are you going to hang up your hat without an investigation? Charges being brought or even your day in court?

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 15 at 2018 9:52 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:52:30 -0500

Remind the troops that the President was never in the military and, therefore, is not to be held to a higher standard. As military professionals we always hold ourselves and each other to a higher standard regardless of what is considered acceptable by society as a whole.