Since I don't have MOS orders after one year, do I have any recourse other than hurry up and wait?

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 13:12:26 -0400

Long read, but necessary to understand totality of circumstances. I MOS-T'd in 2020 and graduated from the Reserve CIAC at Camp Williams in August of last year. Initially, I requested MOS orders in September of last year upon returning to my unit. Since then, my trust and confidence in my chain of command has all but completely disappeared. I am CC'ed in email traffic between our Company ADA and our BN that in laymen's terms notified us that my first request for orders was going to be held until IPPS-A was fully implemented, which was not going to be rolled out until the next month. Since access to IPPS-A was not granted with any sort of order, my ADA could not view its progress. After a few months, the ADA informed me that the packet was retroactively accepted before IPPSA rollout and made it to brigade but lost in the old army records management system because they did not pull it out. So, a second request was supposedly made. Last month at drill, I requested an update after being out of the country on a unit approved trip for five months. The second request was never approved by my CO, who had then rotated out of command. My ex-CO was notified and apparently signed that request, it made it all the way to BDE, but they needed a reroute for a "correction." A few days later, I am informed that the packet needs to be resubmitted again. Upon requesting an update, I am informed my new CO has had the request for over two weeks and no action has been taken. I had to extend for one year after my initial contract to wait for these orders, effective 09 APR 2023. It is now 08 AUG 2023, with no verifiable timeline on MOS orders. Do I have any recourse at all? This seems like complete ineptitude at all levels to me, and MOS orders are very simply executed actions. My career is at a complete standstill, and I do not want to be processed out with nothing to show for it?
CAVEAT: I am also promotable to E5, and it is required to hold the 35L20 position I am qualified for. Should I expect the same issues for a promotion packet?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2023 7:24 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 19:24:51 -0400

If your unit is doing you dirty like this, I would not be surprised if they do you dirty with your promotion packet.

I would take all this information and call two people. Your Brigade CSM and the IG Office that services your Reserve Unit. Law out all the facts as you know them. There is absolutely NO reason why you were not given your MOS orders in 2020.

Yes, IPPS-A has its issues....but this is straight up human stupidity and lack of care for Soldiers.

Response by CSM William Everroad made Aug 9 at 2023 10:19 AM

CSM William Everroad — Wed, 09 Aug 2023 10:19:53 -0400

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member, Are you currently Promotable? i.e. have been board and recommended by the BN promotion board and currently appear on the PPRL as "not in a promotable status"? You can be boarded and recommended without MOS orders (if they are pending for an IET grad).

To be clear, your CSM should be tracking that you are not DMOSQ. Your name appears on the list monthly that is briefed to the BN command team by the S1. My guess is that the S1 is telling them they are working on it. MOS orders, as indicated by MSG Private RallyPoint Member, is a relatively simple IPPS-A action. But reserve PACs have a huge learning curve apparently.

Nothing you have suggested indicates to me that anyone is willfully negligent, just slow and without excuses. My advice is to use the Company Commander's open door policy to ask where your MOS orders are and if you are unhappy about the answer talk to the 1SG and then the CSM. The CSM can get you fixed quick fast and in a hurry even if S1 has to submit the action or the BN CDR initiates boot.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2023 11:27 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Aug 2023 11:27:34 -0400

MOS orders aren't quiite as important as what your DA 1059(s0 frorm that school say.
Accordnig to your Reservations screen in ATRRS, you completed Ph1 and Ph2 of CIAC, but you were never recorded as an input, or completion of Ph2.

You and your unit need to contact the course manger about that, right away.