NCOER integrity; others writing a 1/1 for themselves when they don't deserve it?

I have to agree with the 1SG, SFC Martinis.  The supervisors of the NCO's writing their own 1/1 NCOERS are failing in their duties.  It is wrong, but there is nothing you can do about it but ensure you are doing your best and you are ensuring the integrity of the system for your Soldiers.  Inflating ratings as an answer will only make matters worse across the NCO Corps.  While not always, these NCO's are found out over time

I agree with 1SG. Too many NCOs are concerned about what other NCOs get. The report cards are subjective. Meaning your opinion on someone's performance is not relevant to the rater's opinion. And the rater, even if the NCO wrote the report, still has to sign the report and by signing agrees with what the NCO wrote. 

I really liked 1SG Rink's response.  That's exactly what I would hope.  Thank you for being the type of leader you are, 1SG.

I have to agree with SFC Butler's comment. There are too many NCOs getting promoted who have written their own NCOERs and heavily fluffed them up while others who DO their job don't get selected. The toxic leadership is going up while the great or good leaders are being pushed out. I've seen personnel get relieved and STILL make the list. Unfortunately, there are many decent ones who don't care about that and are more concerned about themselves, which results in more toxic leadership. To rephrase what SFC Gates stated above, does the NCO truly care about the unit and the Soldiers, whether subordinate to them or not?

I see we have officers chiming in on this conversation on NCOER's which is very good because officers are the biggest offenders when it comes to late NCOER's or poorly written NCOER's. So I appreciate the input the officers are giving. However, until the Army Incorporate NCOER writing into Junior Officer training there will always be issues with NCOER's written by junior officer's. As a 1SG I always had to battle with my Platoon leaders and Company Cdr's over poorly written NCOER's and at time wished the ARMY would let the 1SG write the evaluations for his platoon sergeants. Because in reality I was doing those evaluations based on the number of corrections I had to make. I always believe an NCO should document everything they do during a rating period. Because we all know that the initial counseling and quarterly counseling are not being done like they are supposed to be done. I believe if you document everything you did there should be no controversy when it is time for your NCOER to be written and no one can accuse you of receiving an inflated NCOER.

CSM, my question is what do we do about the inflated NCOERs? The inflated NCOERs are creating toxic leaders while preventing the truly deserving from promotion.

Toxic leaders are writing inflated NCOER's that create more Toxic Leaders. Until we get rid of nepotism, cronyism and the good old boy system. We will always have Toxic Leaders. As a leader you must ensure you do what is in your scope to ensure that people that you have influence over do not write inflated NCOER's. These changes come about in incremental steps there are no wholesale changes. Therefore if we as leaders do it in within our circle and we can get everyone within our circle to buy in, we will be able to bring about change. However, we live in a smoke and mirrors environment where people think leadership is about badges and tabs. A few current and former Service Members disparaged my comments a few days ago when I said that having a Beret or Bunch of tabs do not make you a leader. Some of them displayed their juvenile behavior by calling me Leg and PX Soldier. Because I stated that a successful career is judged by the rank you attained and the positive contributions that you have made to the entire force not based on whether you earned a Ranger Tab or Airborne wings. The majority of people on the thread disagreed they stated that Soldiers with Berets and Tabs are the best leaders regardless of what rank they attain. With this kind of thinking very prevalent in Army the good old boy system will continue to flourish and we will continue to produce a myriad of Toxic leaders. In the end my retort was I don't have any tabs or badges but I have plenty of soldiers with badges and tabs who do work for me so tell me who is the better leader now. When we have leaders who are making biased statements saying Badges and Tabs are what makes you a leader, don't you think we will continue to have inflated NCOER's.

CSM I am having some serious difficulty finding out some information on NCOERs. I have been reading AR 623-3 and I also saw USAREC Pam 623-2. In the PAM 623-2 it give a break down for the senior rater blocks. If Among the best block it is either a 1 or 2 and what separates that is the first bullet a 1 gets promote now and a 2 get promote ahead of peers and a 3 gets promote with peer. But in the AR 623-3 I can not find anything that speaks about senior rater comment. My reason for asking last year I got a 2 1 fully capable and promote ahead of peers. This year I also got a 2 1 promote with peers. My question to you or any one else that can help is this. Where can I find what bullet should be placed with numerical value.

SSG (Join to see) - there is no "requirement" for a specific bullet to match a particular rating.

The bullets rather provide the nuances/gradiations of the numerical ratings. There are many folks who are 2/1s, and in order to differentiate/rank them, we read the bullets to determine who would be in the top 5th to bottom 5th of each rating.

CSM so a 2 1 can be among the best promote ahead of peer cause that would separate me form other 2 1 correct

SSG (Join to see) - absolutely. mostly depends upon the "skill" of the senior rater in conveying where in the myriad of 2/1s you belong - very important distinction, as that crowd is very large and mostly indistinguishable except for the quality of the sr rater comments.