Missile parts found in Ukraine: Does it matter?

2015-08-11T15:42:47-04:00

It looks like investigators have found what could be parts of a Russian missile launch system in Ukraine. The idea is that these would prove the Malaysian Airliner was shot down by Russian forces. If this can be proved, what difference would it make?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-crash-mh17-ukraine-missile.html?_r=0

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Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Aug 11 at 2015 3:43 PM

2015-08-11T15:43:56-04:00

POTUS still will not act!

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Aug 11 at 2015 3:52 PM

2015-08-11T15:52:34-04:00

I suppose the forensics team investigating Russian missile launch system "remains" has their work cut out for them LCDR Private RallyPoint Member. Recent "remains" could indicate Russian ADA , special ops or a Ukrainian surrogate involvement. Older remains could be from the old Soviet system that Ukraine was a part of not so long ago.
The fact that it news indicates it is a more recent catastrophic find. Whether the system was "destroyed" to cover up sinister involvement is another matter. I would think the Russians are sophisticated enough to remove evidence if they really wanted to. That begs the question, why is there evidence left behind?

Response by LTC John Shaw made Aug 11 at 2015 9:10 PM

2015-08-11T21:10:07-04:00

Sadly, I don't see any proof making a difference.
The US, UK and Russia signed a treaty to protect the Ukraine and maintain 'it's territorial integrity' in 1994 to give up their nuclear weapons. The lack of Western support for the Ukraine shows Russia and any other country (Iran/NK) that the US is not willing to stand by our word.
The signal is clear, if you are a US ally you better be strong enough to defend yourself.
http://www.npr.org/2014/03/09/288298641/the-role-of-1994-nuclear-agreement-in-ukraines-current-state

The Role Of 1994 Nuclear Agreement In Ukraine's Current State

In 1994, Ukraine signed an agreement with the U.S., the UK and Russia under which it gave up its nuclear arsenal in return for certain assurances. NPR's Arun Rath speaks with Steven Pifer, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, about the agreement.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 12:49 AM

2015-08-12T00:49:15-04:00

We all know what happened.
We all know that Russia could care less, and Europe won't do anything about it.
A sad sentence in a chapter still being written.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Aug 12 at 2015 2:00 AM

2015-08-12T02:00:30-04:00

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member Commander; You say " The idea is that these would prove the Malaysian Airliner was shot down by Russian forces." and I say "Hogwash".

If the investigators found what "could be" parts of a Flakzwilling 40 would that prove that the Nazis had shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?

The findings from the aircraft's wreckage are consistent with both air-to-ground and air-to-air caused damage. Since "the Rebels" don't have any active air assets one can quite understand why the Ukrainian government would MUCH prefer to see those findings modified to rule out air-to-air damage.

PLEASE NOTE - I am NOT saying that the aircraft was shot down by the "official Ukrainians" only that finding something on the ground which might have been capable of inflicting sufficient "ground-to-air" damage on the flight (provided that it was actually working at the time the flight was shot down) doesn't actually prove very much until you can prove who was operating it at the time and whether it actually did shoot at the flight.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 2:24 AM

2015-08-12T02:24:39-04:00

Where Vladimir Put in is involved, you can damn well bet it matters...big time!!!

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 12 at 2015 2:31 AM

2015-08-12T02:31:04-04:00

I was under the belief that we knew this all along. Even if we had the proof positive that X/Y was responsible, good luck getting an apology or compensation from those hammer & sickle swinging bears. Their policies has always been that of denial, and then even when caught in the lie, they follow with 'what are you going to do about it'?