Kinder, Gentlier Army, Is the Military going the way it should??

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:34:13 -0500

What is everyones take on this?

Is Leadership not passed down from the top?( ie. NCO to PVT, COL to CPT for example)

Leadership is instilled from what is being taught or not taught correct?

Same as a Mother or Father teaching thier child the difference between right and wrong what can and can not be done.

I believe we have moved away from this due in part because of the new kinder gentlier Army. NCOs they can not punish a Soldier unless it is on paper (4856) or has to be fitting of the crime, correct? So what should the punishment be for blatant disregard to rank or refusal to the sweep the floor. We can not do like the 80's or 90's and flat out just smoke them any more, we can not even have them do push ups or flutter kicks without it being called hazing. If we could we would have different Army. And it all starts at Basic Training, Drill Sergeants hands I believe have been tied to a degree. Please correct me if I am wrong. I see way to many Soldiers coming from Basic and AIT, out of shape and no dicipline. Now not all are like this, But I believe we need to instill the past Military, work on todays Military, before we worry about the Future of the Military. At the rate we are going the Military in some aspects are going to be an oversized Boys/Girls Scout Troop.

Is Leadership the same today as it was 15 years ago? Is the military going in the direction that it should?

Response by SFC James Baber made Feb 28 at 2014 7:44 PM

SFC James Baber — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:44:36 -0500

Plain and simple-NO!!!!!

It all started to change with the Clinton administration, the politicians were allowed to get involved in how the Army, all services were allowed to conduct business, the same business that had been successful and full disciplined and properly functional for decades, generations of SMs long before the changes occurred.

When the PC effects were introduced into the services, the discipline was lost to many as we became inundated with what I call the video game and "me" generations that grew up in the 90s/00s as they were the entitlement generation, not saying all that came in portray that, but that is the majority of those born and raised during that time, they were the generation that were not going to be left behind in school by being giving passing grades even if they couldn't count change, or even distinguish between our and are in a sentence, they had to be given passing grades even make honor rolls, so they didn't have their psyche damaged or have their feelings hurt because of not being as good as the students who actually studied to get the same or higher grades, they are the same generation that always got a trophy for participating or made the team just so they wouldn't feel sad for failing or not winning. They are the same generation that was taught they could call 911 if their parents punished them and took their video games away, and the parents stopped disciplining and teaching their children how to be proper and respectful for fear of being accused and charged with abuse by the PC element so they didn't and now we have the result of what has transpired and exasperated more and more over the last 20 years with "no child left behind" and don't punish your kids mentality.

Hope that gives you a good idea of where the problem lies and how the Army and all the services had become, that is why you have now current AF NCOs licking POW/MIA symbols, NG Soldiers posing gangster style around a flag draped coffin, Soldiers hiding in their cars during Retreat, and NCOs saying we should give up our pay and benefits to help with the economy, they are part of the generation that doesn't know what true and real sacrifice and duty to country is, just gimme mine and I don't care about the rest or what my predecessors did to give me what I now have for my future career and my family of today.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2014 8:01 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 20:01:37 -0500

Some of these ideas are so bad that pretty soon every leader will have to have Malpractice Insurance. A nice Army. So that is like asking the enemy if they are ready in the battlefield. ha