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How do you feel about religion.

Why are people sensitive about religion.

God bless everyone.
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ISIS is a group of psychopaths hiding under the banner of religion. Anyone who kills for religion is not truly religious - they're just looking to justify their behavior. These so-called muslims kill other muslims randomly.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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It's not "random". You may enjoy reading this article. I would curious as to your thoughts afterwards:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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If Islam provides justifications for killing then Islam is the real problem.
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The problem isn't religion in and of itself. The problem is the evangelicals and the fundamentalists. You believe in God, great, more power to you. But if you put your foot on my neck in order to "convert" me, regardless of what you claim to be your god, we got issues.
Wear your cross, carry your cross, I don't care. I just don't want to hear about about how you were saved again today.


http://forward.com/articles/214824/christian-idaho-woman-converts-jewish-neighbor-/
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LT Charles Baird,
By the same token, anyone can call themselves Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Jainist, Jew or Atheist... It does not mean that they are or adhere to the faith they claim.
We, as a nation, tend to place all other religions based on the the behavior of the worst that claim it, regardless of how their actions correlate to the words of their holy books. Yet, we forgive nearly all who claim to have done misdeeds in the name of their Christian God refusing to condemn Christianity a whole for the actions of the one. As a nation, we are hypocrites.
It is not that I hate Christians, I don't. I hate assholes, and there are a lot that claim to be Christians and use that faith to justify being a drag on our society and culture. When I hear someone try to justify their actions by calling upon their faith, any faith, I don't think "all people of this faith are a$$hats", I look at the person in front of me and think "This person is an embarrassment to the human race."
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SGT Anthony Rossi
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I would agree with what I think you are trying to say.

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: -Ephesians 4:15

Having said that I am a little frustrated over the idea tgT the Christian should be silent while the gay agenda gets to put there "foot on my neck!"
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LT Charles Baird
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You state: "We, as a nation, tend to place all other religions based on the the behavior of the worst that claim it, regardless of how their actions correlate to the words of their holy books."

I have to agree with you; and that is unfortunate that people in general have to be that way.

A question I would pose is this; is it necessary to condemn a religion by the actions of those that claim it but do not follow the teachings of their holy books or to condemn the people that are not following the teachings? Just as; should we condemn all Muslims for the acts of ISIS and the Taliban? Should we condemn all Germans for the actions of Hitler? Should all Americans be condemned for the actions of their government?
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LT Charles Baird,
http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil?language=en
Do we condemn the the individual or the culture that allows/encourages the individual to commit the atrocity?
That is a deeply personal question, and the answer has a lot to do with the soul of the questioner... and my answer is yes.
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I am 100% Christian, but if you really thought about things, Religion is a big root of a lot of problems. I wish people would take the bible as for what it says and not read too much into things.

People read too much in the Koran (which is written by the devil himself, I believe) and you have ISIS when such things do occur.

NO I AM NOT COMPARING A LOVING GOD & JESUS TO SOMEONE LIKE ALLAH AND THE PEDOPHILE (I meant Prophet) Muhammad.
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Killing Kids - Deuteronomy 21:21
Shellfish - Leviticus 11:9-12
Shaving - Leviticus 19:27
Blended Fabrics - Leviticus 19:19
Slavery - Exodus 12:43,
Exodus 21:1
Exodus 21:20
Exodus 21:32
Leviticus 22:10
Leviticus 25:44
Colossians 3:22
Polygamy - 2 Samuel 12:8 (god talking to David through Nathan)
Exodus 21:10
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
Kill Witches - Exodus 22:18
Scape goats - Leviticus 16:10
Kill ppl working on the Sabbath - Exodus 31:15
Leave you family - Matthew 10:34-39 (and the alleged jesus said these things)
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I just want to point out that all but 1 is old testament. That is all.
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LT Charles Baird
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Thank you for the information - I will do some research on these - However I believe this is when they went to war against Midian who had previously defeated Israel and they were not supposed to keep any spoils of war hence Moses being wroth with them; they killed every male so that they would not grow up and attempt to take revenge against the Israelites as was the custom of the century and they killed the women so the men would not succumb to them and commit adultery. However, just because it says keep alive for yourselves does not mean that they were to be sexual slaves; there is no proof to the insinuation. Young females posed no threat to the people as they probably could not fight; and they were probably used to help tend the home; as was done to many young women/girls by the conquering nations during those time periods.
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Just pointing out, again, that this is old testament. (I live by the new) Have a great day!!
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ISIS would agree there shouldn't be Christians on RallyPoint. Is it right to strike one religion for the sins of another?
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MAJ (Join to see). What scares me has less to do with rather discrete nonthreating practice of cultural and religious traditions . . . but rather more to do with the broad exercise of formal government or broader social authority to sanction discrimination in the name of the "religious freedom law" to discriminate against anyone else who may not share your personal religious belief system.

Do you really believe purportedly christian conservative state government "religious freedom law" movement that claims to authorize discrimination against LGBT people is really going to stop with these groups which in the absence of federal and state legal protection have been historically discriminated against and targeted for assassination in our own country ( google LGBT stonewall killings ) . . . or do you see beyond immediate public relations smoke screen into the future where christian conservatives require the painting of religious identifying logos on personal residences and businesses and the wearing of religious identifying logos on both adults and childrens clothes . . . to facilitate religious discrimination . . . and return to nation state facilitated genocide . . . ghettos, dispossession, rounding up, transport, concentration, labor, and liquidation camps?

Let us not forget five million other people tortured and murdered by the Nazis including homosexuals, priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical disabilities, communists, trade unionists, political adversaries, etc . . .

I'm deeply concerned about return of religious / racial / behavioral intolerance / discrimination in our country.

Warmest Regards, Sandy

o http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/27/holocaust-non-jewish-victims_n_6555604.html

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Well articulated.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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The most frightening thing is that the Holocaust did not really exist! Just ask many Germans today who have been indoctrinated into this belief by the surviving Nazis from WWII. This is not just a German phenomenon either, but growing movement as we refuse to believe in the evil nature of man and our ability to FORGET history. ISIS is hoping that we will be lulled into believing that they are peacefully converting Christians, but threats of death and killing are not peaceful.
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CMDCM Gene Treants and 1LT Sandy Annala Thank you for stating these concerns so explicitly. Let's not forget that Iran denies the Shoah (Holocaust in Hebrew) as a state platform...
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people are always the problem.
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Ah nothing gets a good Rally Point discussion going as religion. Might as well toss my hat in the ring.

Here is my belief. Religion in itself is not bad. Its when people use religion against other people that it no longer becomes religion but a control mechanism to gain.

There are countless examples through History how religion has been used as a tool to control people, populations, and nations. Not one religion is free from this either as all have been used in one way or another to harm, hurt, take over and or control humans.

But in the same instance all religions have been used as a sign of hope, a way of healing, a support of faith in humanity. It is what ever it needs to be for people who use it for good or evil.

I believe in God. Do i understand God, no. Do I think anyone can understand God, no. Why? Because human beings do not have the capacity to think in anywhere the same level as God, or a being you may wish to represent a divine figure.

If God is the Alpha and Omega, as stated in the bible, that mean all things are one to him. He is the beginning and the end of time. So "TIME" exists to God all at once. Now as a human, comprehend that...

Take everything you can remember, Everything you know and everything you think you are going to learn and Jam that into a new born babies head at once. That is a lot of info. Now multiply that by 7 Billion (number of People on earth about now may be off by a billion). That is a lot more info. Then Multiply that by about 10 Billion (thats an estimate of the amount of people that have come and gone since we shall say 1AD). Oh and lets toss in another 50 billion as that is how many more humans will inhabit the earth for the next 500 years. And boom.. all in a newborn baby.. all those memory's all at once. And by the way.. that is just memories, I am not talking emotions, dreams, realities or anything else.

Still comprehend??

Yes that is what I believe. God is everything, everywhere and all things.

Religion is the human way to understand God.

Humans can not understand God.

This is just my belief. No proof exists but its my rational thought on God and religion.
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Valid points and well explained
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SGT Anthony Rossi
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I enjoyed you perspective. Thanks for you insight.
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My thought is why do you care so much if you don't believe? I think that prayers shouldn't be religion specific at military events but more generalized. And atheist chaplains don't make sense it's like a contradictory statement. But back to my original point stop trying to infringe on the rights of people. It doesn't make sense especially when we are the people who fight to allow these rights to be practiced but we want to try and diminish those rights? I don't understand. If you don't believe than that's fine but don't hinder other people's right to believe.
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Valid points, I am believe in God but I believe true faith does not come by force but by independent belief. I advocate others to consider. Excluding and forcing religion to me are the same and both are done out of hate. Hate leads to the perversion of good will.
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You see I do believe but wonder the same.
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I'm glad you posted this, and forgive me for giving titles, however people from the loony left will always try to suppress freedom of religion, expression, and speech when it doesn't agree with their side.
I've noticed this probably since about mid 90's when I started to pay attention
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SSG Leonard Johnson
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well I'm sorry I disagree...you have to show me wear you being discriminated against....when you walk into Walmart...I don't see anyone forcing anyone to turn off the secular card ;)
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I really hate to disagree with you about the loony left, well actually I do not, but the righteous right has just as many problems, maybe even more. there are still many Christian sects that use the bible to discriminate. i could name them, but all of us know who they are - women are not allowed to serve as preachers or often even in any leadership position. Homosexuals should be put to death, never tolerated in the pews! Alcohol, GOD only allows fruit juices, and Jesus never turned water into wine.

Need I go on? It is not just the left but also the right and not just Christians.
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I know you can't just put like 20 different voting options, but I'd say my pick was more a variation of "religion is okay as long as each is free to choose". For myself it's more like, "I think faith in itself is bad, but religion or lack-thereof is a personal matter, and no one should force their beliefs or lack-thereof upon anyone else."
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That depends on what christian teachers you talk to.

You should try telling that to the people attempting to force teaching creationism in our public schools.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
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This Christian teacher is telling you what the scripture says. If anyone is forced to believe something it isn't faith at all. God only accepts genuine faith.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. -Hebrews 11:6
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Now you're changing the tune of the music. You first said chritianity doesn't teach forcing anyone to do anything. On the contrary, christianity teaches you to be forced to do many things or face horrible punishment. Their twisted version of free will.
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@SSgt Jay S. (can't tag you...), I don't think he's changing any tune. He first said Christianity doesn't advocate forcing anyone to do anything (in the context of the thread: people forcing people to do things), then he elaborated on how Christianity rejects the notion of forced belief. To claim that Christianity's requirements for believers - which he never brought up - constitute him changing his tune, is a non sequitur. He made two statements, both of which described not using force...sounds like consistent rhetoric to me.

Additionally, given that no one can be forced to believe in a given religion (and therefore the "horrible punishment"), such threat of punishment does not force anyone to do anything for the sake of a religion. Anything a self-professed Christian does for the sole sake of his/her beliefs (to avoid the Hell they believe in), is a direct result of their free choice to believe in it in the first place. Now bringing up the issue of omniscience changes the free will discussion a bit, but neither of you brought it up and so it's irrelevant to my points.

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It it's clear that Biblical religion is largely responsible for setting the foundation of our country. Therefore it is foolish to think that we can remove it from our Culture and expect to be better off. Show me a country that does not have a Christian background that respects people even if they disagree with them?
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You do realize that most Christian values come from religions far older than the birth of Christ also that Christianity has the most blood on their hands
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True, when I'm speaking of Christianity I'm including Jewdaisim as it's origin. Those faiths that gave us The Holy Bible.
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As far as spilled blood you would have a hard time convicting me that Christianity has spilled more blood that the religions of Egypt. Your statement has no real historical backing.
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Our country was not founded on christianity, that is a myth.
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