Is it legal for a Commander to require you to turn over your CAC to use a latrine? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So my company has latrine’s that everyone uses, well the soldiers who are supposed to clean them don’t always clean them. So what my COC decided to do was lock the latrine’s and you have to turn over your CAC to get the key. Now I know that on the civilian side that is illegal, is that allowed in the military? I’ve never heard of a place doing something like this Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:56:39 -0500 Is it legal for a Commander to require you to turn over your CAC to use a latrine? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So my company has latrine’s that everyone uses, well the soldiers who are supposed to clean them don’t always clean them. So what my COC decided to do was lock the latrine’s and you have to turn over your CAC to get the key. Now I know that on the civilian side that is illegal, is that allowed in the military? I’ve never heard of a place doing something like this SPC Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:56:39 -0500 2022-01-27T12:56:39-05:00 Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 27 at 2022 1:09 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499368&urlhash=7499368 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That CAC is government property. Not yours. SFC Michael Hasbun Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:09:31 -0500 2022-01-27T13:09:31-05:00 Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Jan 27 at 2022 1:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499369&urlhash=7499369 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t know, that is a good question. I don&#39;t know about turning over my CaC card but, posting of a guard would work as it would get old and they would start to be cleaned! Good ole fashion GI Party sounds like what is needed! SGT Bryon Sergent Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:10:57 -0500 2022-01-27T13:10:57-05:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 1:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499382&urlhash=7499382 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This doesn&#39;t sound right to me. Personally, I&#39;d have a massive GI party to get the message received. If anything, run this by JAG to see what they say MSG Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:33:30 -0500 2022-01-27T13:33:30-05:00 Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Jan 27 at 2022 2:05 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499420&urlhash=7499420 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Did you ask legal? That&#39;s the first place I&#39;d go. <br /><br />I would definitely not be giving my CAC to anyone and would go use the bathroom somewhere else. SFC Kelly Fuerhoff Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:05:15 -0500 2022-01-27T14:05:15-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 2:22 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499442&urlhash=7499442 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>100% legal. Your CAC is government owned and required to be surrendered by you any time ordered by your chain of command.<br /><br />Also, not an uncommon practice just about everywhere when you borrow something short term. Holding onto your CAC as collateral is common for getting spare keys from Staff duty, lawn equipment, and all kinds of other things that people conveniently forget to return. I also don&#39;t think it&#39;s illegal to do on the civilian side either, but I&#39;m not a lawyer. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:22:57 -0500 2022-01-27T14:22:57-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 3:31 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499563&urlhash=7499563 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>...So, you have never turned your CAC over for plates at a range, or a short term borrowing of a tool from the maintenance shop? There are a few here that have already said it, but the CAC is not your property and must be surrendered if order so by command. <br /><br />On a personal note, kind of a crappy thing to do... ha SSG Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:31:14 -0500 2022-01-27T15:31:14-05:00 Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 6:23 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7499802&urlhash=7499802 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think I wrote it weird. My actual question is, is it legal for my company to lock the latrine? SPC Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:23:48 -0500 2022-01-27T18:23:48-05:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 8:54 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7500043&urlhash=7500043 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m Reserve, so I frequent my local post for the shopping privileges while in civilian capacity. The one I frequent is also a TRADOC location. <br /><br />Anyway...................... Post SGM closed down the restrooms in the shopping area, and I had my two little ones with me. I was pretty pissed, and nothing I could do about it. <br /><br />So yea it happens. The CAC thing is just a little flavor of treating kids like kids. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:54:01 -0500 2022-01-27T20:54:01-05:00 Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2022 12:36 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7500289&urlhash=7500289 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How bout your nasty ass learns to clean up after your nasty self? Short answer is your CAC is fair game because it is government property. <br /><br />Funny story that helps you understand your commander’s frustration: the 100 and Worst got locked out of the showers at Camp Udari (Kuwait) right before we invaded Iraq because nasty assed people like you were shitting in them. That’s the sort of bullshit your Commander and 1SG are dealing with, so lose the attitude and hand over that CAC, son! LTC Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 28 Jan 2022 00:36:36 -0500 2022-01-28T00:36:36-05:00 Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jan 30 at 2022 4:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7504508&urlhash=7504508 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Should be easy to catch, have barracks orderly, check latrines after each us. When it checks out messed up, the one that just left did it, and you have the culprit. Give the barracks orderly something to do besides lie around, too. LOL MAJ Ronnie Reams Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:13:29 -0500 2022-01-30T16:13:29-05:00 Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 3 at 2022 6:19 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-this-legal-caa81606-8ebc-4b75-9a78-25de64cedd20?n=7510435&urlhash=7510435 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is almost funny. Can they, yamaybe (meant the soelling)? It is a bit far fetched, signing should be enough as your signature subjects you to disciplinary action should you faile to return the key and ensure the Latrobe is squared away. <br /><br />I would not rock the boat over it. Your ID should be safe, if lost your commander has to Sign approval for a replacement. <br /><br />You could ask the duty desk to sign for my ID, see the potential for a silly circle. CSM Darieus ZaGara Thu, 03 Feb 2022 06:19:56 -0500 2022-02-03T06:19:56-05:00 2022-01-27T12:56:39-05:00