SPC Private RallyPoint Member7499353<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So my company has latrine’s that everyone uses, well the soldiers who are supposed to clean them don’t always clean them. So what my COC decided to do was lock the latrine’s and you have to turn over your CAC to get the key. Now I know that on the civilian side that is illegal, is that allowed in the military? I’ve never heard of a place doing something like thisIs it legal for a Commander to require you to turn over your CAC to use a latrine?2022-01-27T12:56:39-05:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member7499353<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So my company has latrine’s that everyone uses, well the soldiers who are supposed to clean them don’t always clean them. So what my COC decided to do was lock the latrine’s and you have to turn over your CAC to get the key. Now I know that on the civilian side that is illegal, is that allowed in the military? I’ve never heard of a place doing something like thisIs it legal for a Commander to require you to turn over your CAC to use a latrine?2022-01-27T12:56:39-05:002022-01-27T12:56:39-05:00SFC Michael Hasbun7499368<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That CAC is government property. Not yours.Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 27 at 2022 1:09 PM2022-01-27T13:09:31-05:002022-01-27T13:09:31-05:00SGT Bryon Sergent7499369<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't know, that is a good question. I don't know about turning over my CaC card but, posting of a guard would work as it would get old and they would start to be cleaned! Good ole fashion GI Party sounds like what is needed!Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Jan 27 at 2022 1:10 PM2022-01-27T13:10:57-05:002022-01-27T13:10:57-05:00MSG Private RallyPoint Member7499382<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This doesn't sound right to me. Personally, I'd have a massive GI party to get the message received. If anything, run this by JAG to see what they sayResponse by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 1:33 PM2022-01-27T13:33:30-05:002022-01-27T13:33:30-05:00SFC Kelly Fuerhoff7499420<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Did you ask legal? That's the first place I'd go. <br /><br />I would definitely not be giving my CAC to anyone and would go use the bathroom somewhere else.Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Jan 27 at 2022 2:05 PM2022-01-27T14:05:15-05:002022-01-27T14:05:15-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member7499442<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>100% legal. Your CAC is government owned and required to be surrendered by you any time ordered by your chain of command.<br /><br />Also, not an uncommon practice just about everywhere when you borrow something short term. Holding onto your CAC as collateral is common for getting spare keys from Staff duty, lawn equipment, and all kinds of other things that people conveniently forget to return. I also don't think it's illegal to do on the civilian side either, but I'm not a lawyer.Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 2:22 PM2022-01-27T14:22:57-05:002022-01-27T14:22:57-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member7499563<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>...So, you have never turned your CAC over for plates at a range, or a short term borrowing of a tool from the maintenance shop? There are a few here that have already said it, but the CAC is not your property and must be surrendered if order so by command. <br /><br />On a personal note, kind of a crappy thing to do... haResponse by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 3:31 PM2022-01-27T15:31:14-05:002022-01-27T15:31:14-05:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member7499802<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think I wrote it weird. My actual question is, is it legal for my company to lock the latrine?Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 6:23 PM2022-01-27T18:23:48-05:002022-01-27T18:23:48-05:00CPT Private RallyPoint Member7500043<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm Reserve, so I frequent my local post for the shopping privileges while in civilian capacity. The one I frequent is also a TRADOC location. <br /><br />Anyway...................... Post SGM closed down the restrooms in the shopping area, and I had my two little ones with me. I was pretty pissed, and nothing I could do about it. <br /><br />So yea it happens. The CAC thing is just a little flavor of treating kids like kids.Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 8:54 PM2022-01-27T20:54:01-05:002022-01-27T20:54:01-05:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member7500289<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How bout your nasty ass learns to clean up after your nasty self? Short answer is your CAC is fair game because it is government property. <br /><br />Funny story that helps you understand your commander’s frustration: the 100 and Worst got locked out of the showers at Camp Udari (Kuwait) right before we invaded Iraq because nasty assed people like you were shitting in them. That’s the sort of bullshit your Commander and 1SG are dealing with, so lose the attitude and hand over that CAC, son!Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2022 12:36 AM2022-01-28T00:36:36-05:002022-01-28T00:36:36-05:00MAJ Ronnie Reams7504508<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Should be easy to catch, have barracks orderly, check latrines after each us. When it checks out messed up, the one that just left did it, and you have the culprit. Give the barracks orderly something to do besides lie around, too. LOLResponse by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jan 30 at 2022 4:13 PM2022-01-30T16:13:29-05:002022-01-30T16:13:29-05:00CSM Darieus ZaGara7510435<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is almost funny. Can they, yamaybe (meant the soelling)? It is a bit far fetched, signing should be enough as your signature subjects you to disciplinary action should you faile to return the key and ensure the Latrobe is squared away. <br /><br />I would not rock the boat over it. Your ID should be safe, if lost your commander has to Sign approval for a replacement. <br /><br />You could ask the duty desk to sign for my ID, see the potential for a silly circle.Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 3 at 2022 6:19 AM2022-02-03T06:19:56-05:002022-02-03T06:19:56-05:002022-01-27T12:56:39-05:00