Is there a place other than the HRC, NPRS, and my old unit that would have a copy of my chapter 14 packet?

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 00:25:17 -0500

I am trying to re enlist. I have an RE-3 code. My recruiter said he would have to have my chapter 14 packet to see my counseling statements as to why the chapter was given. Everyone from HRC, NPRC and my old unit says they don’t exist. Where can I find them?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 12:28 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:28:43 -0500

3. PROCEDURE: The unit commander forwards the chapter packet containing all relevant matters, including any statements from you and documents you submitted, to the Battalion Commander, who makes his recommendation and forwards it to the Brigade Commander who makes the final decision as to whether you should be separated and the type of discharge you should receive. All records of this separation action, including the reason for separation, are confidential by operation of Federal Law. The only thing, which will be known by prospective employers, etc. is the type of discharge which you received (i.e., Honorable, etc.).
4. WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS?
a. You have a right to consult with an attorney~ within a reasonable time (not less than three duty days) or civilian counsel at your own expenses (your command should make a TDS appointment for you).
b. You have the right to submit statements in your own behalf (these statements may be made by you or by others on your behalf).
c. You have the right to obtain copies of documents which your commander will forward in support of the separation recommendation.
d. You can waive the above rights in writing. Failure to respond (that means not signing the form) within seven duty days from the date you see an attorney means you give up all of your rights; and
e. You have the right to an administrative discharge board if you are considered for discharge with an Under Other Than Honorable Conditions (UOTH) characterization of service or if you have six (6) or more years of service of total active and reserve service on the date of initiation of recommendation for separation.

https://home.army.mil/monterey/application/files/2615/4955/1548/chapter_14_info_paper.pdf

chapter_14_info_paper.pdf

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 12:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:32:30 -0500

In line with my other comment to your other post a Chapter 14 is given for misconduct. You should have copies of this in your separation papers that where given to you when you got out. There would have to be a paper trial for a 14. You can try the national achieves if you lost your copy of everything.
Follow the link below to submit a request of your file.

However, I can tell you in the current state of the Army, I would level your expectations with the likelihood of getting a waiver. I am guessing this was a separation within the 90 days of service?

https://www.archives.gov/personnel-records-center/military-personnel

Military Personnel Records

The National Personnel Records Center, Military Personnel Records (NPRC-MPR) is the repository of millions of military personnel, health, and medical records of discharged and deceased veterans of all services during the 20th century. (Records prior to WWI are in Washington, DC.) NPRC (MPR) also stores medical treatment records of retirees from all services, as well as records for dependent and other persons treated at naval medical...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 1:32 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:32:14 -0500

Weren't you given a copy? If not, try National Archives

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 1:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:52:30 -0500

You want to reenlist yet you were separated for misconduct? Gonna say you aren’t cut out for the service if you couldn’t stay out of trouble.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 7:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 19:33:46 -0500

If it's not in your Iperms then it wasn't filed.

Your commander wasn't a recruiter and had no idea or authority as to whether you could enlist again.

Your Recruiter has no clue about ARIMS and doesn't realize nobody is required to just keep your packet forever.

Your packet went into a file cabinet at your old unit and was shredded three years later because it's not meant to be stored at the unit indefinitely