Posted on Feb 21, 2016
Is the hype over Trump winning S. Carolina overrated?
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Trump won S. Carolina with 32.5% of the vote which means that 67.5% of the vote did not go for him. 67.5% of the vote was distributed between the other 5 candidates. Jeb Bush dropped out. Where would his 7% have gone if he had dropped out before? What would it have looked like if there were only 2 candidates to cast a vote for instead of 6?
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-optimists-and-trump-skeptics-are-about-to-go-to-war/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/opinion/is-there-any-stopping-donald-trump.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FTrump%2C%20Donald%20J.&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=collection&_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/21/after-south-carolina-can-anybody-take-on-trump.html
Look, if Trump wins in Nevada on Tuesday (which polling suggests is really likely), he'll have come in 2nd in Iowa and won New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada. These are all really different states with really different electorates. He's expected to win most of the March 1 states, according to current polling. He's expected to win the Republican nomination, according to both polling (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html) and bookies (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/21/bookies-go-big-on-donald-trump-and-even-bigger-on-hillary-clinton.html).
With all of this, it doesn't seem like the hype is overrated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/opinion/is-there-any-stopping-donald-trump.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FTrump%2C%20Donald%20J.&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=collection&_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/21/after-south-carolina-can-anybody-take-on-trump.html
Look, if Trump wins in Nevada on Tuesday (which polling suggests is really likely), he'll have come in 2nd in Iowa and won New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada. These are all really different states with really different electorates. He's expected to win most of the March 1 states, according to current polling. He's expected to win the Republican nomination, according to both polling (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html) and bookies (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/21/bookies-go-big-on-donald-trump-and-even-bigger-on-hillary-clinton.html).
With all of this, it doesn't seem like the hype is overrated.
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I hear you on the "67.5% of the vote did not go for him" point, but consider these facts using the same logic:
-77.5% of the vote did not go to Rubio
-77.7% of the vote did not go to Cruz
-92.4% of the vote did not go to Kasich
-92.8% of the vote did not go to Carson
I suspect Bush's support would have been split out to Rubio, Kasich, Cruz, and Trump, in that order. However, given the way things are going, by the time the GOP race gets down to just two candidates, the race may be over. Trump is leading in the polls in just about every one of the upcoming states (except for Texas), so it doesn't look good for Cruz or Rubio (who is even well behind Trump in Florida). If Cruz and Rubio stick it out (and given that they both clearly have different voter constituencies, I suspect they will), Trump will benefit. If either drops out, Trump may benefit too.
Rubio has most of the establishment vote (plus the big money), and Cruz has the social conservatives and Tea Party votes (has some big money, and has lots of small donors). Trump has the anti-establishment vote and new GOP voters. If Rubio drops out first, some of his support will probably go to Cruz, but Trump polls really, really well with somewhat conservative and moderate GOP voters. Those aren't the same voters as the hardcore conservatives who are currently supporting Cruz. If Cruz drops out first, I bet most of his support goes to Trump. For some reason, Trump polls well with the social conservatives (he has already been stealing them from Cruz), and he also polls well with the Tea Party voters. A Carson drop helps Cruz and Trump, whereas a Kasich drop helps Rubio and Trump. I'd rather be in Trump's position than Rubio's (the Robot) or Cruz's (the Natural born Canadian). Like him or not, Trump is sitting pretty right now, and it has been fun to watch.
-77.5% of the vote did not go to Rubio
-77.7% of the vote did not go to Cruz
-92.4% of the vote did not go to Kasich
-92.8% of the vote did not go to Carson
I suspect Bush's support would have been split out to Rubio, Kasich, Cruz, and Trump, in that order. However, given the way things are going, by the time the GOP race gets down to just two candidates, the race may be over. Trump is leading in the polls in just about every one of the upcoming states (except for Texas), so it doesn't look good for Cruz or Rubio (who is even well behind Trump in Florida). If Cruz and Rubio stick it out (and given that they both clearly have different voter constituencies, I suspect they will), Trump will benefit. If either drops out, Trump may benefit too.
Rubio has most of the establishment vote (plus the big money), and Cruz has the social conservatives and Tea Party votes (has some big money, and has lots of small donors). Trump has the anti-establishment vote and new GOP voters. If Rubio drops out first, some of his support will probably go to Cruz, but Trump polls really, really well with somewhat conservative and moderate GOP voters. Those aren't the same voters as the hardcore conservatives who are currently supporting Cruz. If Cruz drops out first, I bet most of his support goes to Trump. For some reason, Trump polls well with the social conservatives (he has already been stealing them from Cruz), and he also polls well with the Tea Party voters. A Carson drop helps Cruz and Trump, whereas a Kasich drop helps Rubio and Trump. I'd rather be in Trump's position than Rubio's (the Robot) or Cruz's (the Natural born Canadian). Like him or not, Trump is sitting pretty right now, and it has been fun to watch.
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LTC Kevin B.
CPT (Join to see) - That would still mean that you're at the best part of the distribution, and everyone else is in a world of hurt even more so than you.
What do you mean by "There were only 50 votes cast."?
What do you mean by "There were only 50 votes cast."?
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LTC Kevin B. - I would like to know what the distribution would have been if there were only two candidates v. six, this would give us a clearer picture of whether the candidate is truly viable against the opposing party.
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LTC Kevin B.
CPT (Join to see) - That's interesting to imagine, but I enjoy how the unfolding, evolving game (with multiple candidates) shapes how voters make decisions. The Robot needs to get his act together quickly, or his candidacy will be in trouble.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/rubio-cant-beat-trump-here-then-where.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/rubio-cant-beat-trump-here-then-where.html
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