Is the coining of the term 'alt-right' an attempt to associate racist organizations with all conservatives?

2016-11-22T22:59:16-05:00

I'm seeing it used more and more. It originally referred to white nationalists, but is now being used for fringe groups like the KKK.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2016 11:01 PM

2016-11-22T23:01:39-05:00

No. Right wing is much different than extremist ideology.

Response by PO3 Ricky Foster made Nov 22 at 2016 11:06 PM

2016-11-22T23:06:44-05:00

It is a blatant attempt to identify their racist groups with the conservative right and it is working. Everyone just assumes they are supported by the Right. I didn't know it was being used with KKK as well but I guess it will continue to grow.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2016 11:07 PM

2016-11-22T23:07:05-05:00

"Alt + Right" is the command to go back or forward a page in my internet browser. My browser is not racist.

Response by SSG Trust Palmer made Nov 22 at 2016 11:23 PM

2016-11-22T23:23:46-05:00

Alt-wrong

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2016 11:24 PM

2016-11-22T23:24:28-05:00

I found this to be a broad description and will say that by associating, integrating and push the agenda of white nationalist and other racist groups they themselves have been the reason for the association: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right?wprov=sfsi1

Alt-right - Wikipedia

The alt-right is a loose group of people with far right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in the United States.[1][2] The alt-right has no formal ideology, although various sources have stated that white nationalism is fundamental.[1][2][3] It has also been associated with white supremacism,[4][5][6] Islamophobia,[7][8][9][10] antifeminism,[1][11] homophobia,[12][13][14] antisemitism,[1][2][15] ethno-nationalism,[16] right-wing...

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 22 at 2016 11:27 PM

2016-11-22T23:27:51-05:00

Interesting... Looks Like the label Makers are working over time again... especially on the Alt Left...

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Nov 22 at 2016 11:54 PM

2016-11-22T23:54:03-05:00

It's an attempt to label people who do not agree with the Democratic party and the New Age of double speak.
Their all Nazi's, their all homophobes....
In fact, those who believe in legal immigration, living and let live and small government are Nationalist. Just not nationalist socialist.
The European Union and the Democratic party show more parallels with the Nazi platform of the State as god, a large central government and power for a few. But, low information voters can not read history. They are also most likely to react based on emotion. They are easy to upset.
M. Morris RVT

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2016 11:55 PM

2016-11-22T23:55:38-05:00

I don't see the alt-right as being your traditional conservative. I see it as more along the lines of a a more subtle version of the far right.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 23 at 2016 1:39 AM

2016-11-23T01:39:39-05:00

I thought alt-right was some windows or mac shortcut key

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:09 AM

2016-11-23T02:09:06-05:00

Alt right isn't a term created by the left to tie conservatives to white supremicists. It's a term created by the extreme far right to try and make their racist, white nationalist ideas seem more mainstream and obscure who they really are.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Nov 23 at 2016 3:25 AM

2016-11-23T03:25:41-05:00

Of Course it is but if they don't do their Utmost to Disassociate themselves from the Racist and the American Nazis of the Alt Right they will be tarred with that Association. I know not all "Conservatives" subscribe to their BS but unless they go out of their way to Push Back against the "Alt-Right" they are going to wear that Mantle Deserved or Undeserved. Silence is Acceptance in this case.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Nov 23 at 2016 5:21 AM

2016-11-23T05:21:19-05:00

Psst "White Nationalists" are a fringe group. It's definitely a label thrown out to taint all conservatives the fact is that there isn't an "Alt Right Party". There is no membership or cards or a chairperson. The media can create the label, dub a prominent conservative as the leader or spokesperson and have a "basket of deplorables" as charter members.
It's another attempt of media to divide the country into two camps, and frankly I'm sick to death of it on both ends.
El Chapo Guzman. the murderous drug dealer now awaiting extradition to the US Threatened Donald Trump and had his minions tweet his displeasure with the election. Does that mean the Mexican Drug Cartels are part of the Democratic party? No. People need to stop listening to labels put out by the media and start using their heads for something else than to mark the spot about three feet above their ass.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Nov 23 at 2016 5:34 AM

2016-11-23T05:34:07-05:00

It looks like the President-Elect has gave enough credence to how the media describe "Alt Right" to make a statement on it. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-disavows-alt-group-condemn/story?id=43723904

Trump Disavows Alt-Right Group: 'I Condemn Them'

President-elect Donald Trump said today that he condemned the alt-right group who was seen yelling “Hail Trump” and engaging in anti-Semitic behavior during a conference over the weekend – saying the movement is not something he wants to “energize.”In a video taken by The Atlantic, attendees of...

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Nov 23 at 2016 5:39 AM

2016-11-23T05:39:50-05:00

Label makers are busy trying to put people in peg holes, and many times the people don't fit the peg holes. I remember growing up when happy and gay was a great time! Now look at what it has become. We can make all the labels we want, but will that change people?

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Nov 23 at 2016 7:40 AM

2016-11-23T07:40:58-05:00

Yes, agree it has become more widespread, and the far-left and some media are using it as yet another slander word against conservatives. From an IO perspective, it has been successful.

Response by MCPO Mark Durland made Nov 23 at 2016 7:43 AM

2016-11-23T07:43:58-05:00

Sure seems like it. I haven't heard any talk about an "alt left" or "alt progressive" movement, but there are certainly fringe elements out there as well.

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 23 at 2016 7:46 AM

2016-11-23T07:46:11-05:00

I think it's a bunch of boohoo bs. The alt right ha. Please you got campuses banning the flag. And we're worried about the alt right. Who is the alt right, and what exactly are they doing? All I have seen is a bunch of crybaby leftists crapping on every body that has served this Country. I am tired of the fake narrative being raised by the far left.

Response by LTC David Brown made Nov 23 at 2016 7:54 AM

2016-11-23T07:54:06-05:00

Alt-right, what about Alt-reality? A fellow poster on a blog used the term Alt-reality to discribe those having difficulty understanding Trump won! I think it describes the news media perfectly!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:01 AM

2016-11-23T08:01:35-05:00

Link 2: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right

Meet the young, web-savvy right-wingers who are shaking up mainstream politics.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:02 AM

2016-11-23T08:02:52-05:00

Link 3: http://altright.com/ - website is curiously under construction

Announcement

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:05 AM

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This is the guy who's name appears on the website link 4: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/alt-right-gathering-donald-trump/

Alt-right leader: 'Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!'

The racism and anti-Semitism of the alt-right movement were on display Saturday in Washington when its members gathered to celebrate Donald Trump's victory.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:06 AM

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Link 5: http://www.thebatt.com/news/richard-spencer-creator-of-the-term-alt-right-to-speak/article_c03f61ec-b118-11e6-a1e7-9f5f2416a890.html

Richard Spencer, creator of the term "alt-right," to speak to A&M

Richard Spencer, white nationalist and creator of the term “alt-right,” will be speaking in Rudder Tower this December.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:13 AM

2016-11-23T08:13:31-05:00

Link 6: https://youtu.be/Xq-LnO2DOGE

Now if you still think or feel that this was a coined phrase to associate one or the other, please see my additional links

Richard Spencer - NPI 2016, Full Speech

Richard Spencer gives an inspiring talk at NPI 2016 in Washington D.C. at the Alt-Right conference of the year.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:14 AM

2016-11-23T08:14:09-05:00

Link 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFjZTVhQxQ

Richard Spencer interviewed on NPR - 11/20/2016

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:17 AM

2016-11-23T08:17:04-05:00

Link 8: https://www.reddit.com/r/altright/comments/4x3fm2/richard_spencerask_me_anything/

RICHARD SPENCER—ASK ME ANYTHING • /r/altright

My name is Richard Spencer. I coined the term "Alternative Right"; I write at RadixJournal.com (and some other places), organize NPI conferences,...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:20 AM

2016-11-23T08:20:57-05:00

Richard Spencer, the man who claims to have coined the term “alt-right” gave a speech in the nation’s capital Saturday in which he attacked Jews, quoted Nazi propaganda in German, and proclaimed that America is white people’s “creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.- A reason for the association with racist orgs

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 8:25 AM

2016-11-23T08:25:31-05:00

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-alt-right-leader-on-voice-in-trump-administration my last link It is an interesting read and/or press the pllay link to the left. You can also download the interview

'We're Not Going Away': Alt-Right Leader On Voice In Trump Administration

Stephen Bannon, Donald Trump's incoming White House chief strategist, used to run the website Breitbart, which he called "the platform for the alt-right." The alt-right has been associated with racism, anti-Semitism and misogyny. Its adherents believe they have a voice in the new administration. NPR's Kelly McEvers talks to Richard Spencer, a white nationalist who coined the term "alt-right."

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Nov 23 at 2016 8:35 AM

2016-11-23T08:35:44-05:00

Alt-Right, despite what it is being called now, I would say is for right wing that may be out of the norm. Myself being a Rockefeller Republican, I can very well be considered alt-right, as well as "alt-left" if that term were to exist.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 23 at 2016 8:58 AM

2016-11-23T08:58:40-05:00

A tactic right out of Alinski's Rules for Radicals. If they want to make PROGRESS, they need an organization like Media Matters and Thinkprogress.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 9:17 AM

2016-11-23T09:17:25-05:00

Alt-right according to many are young people who are dissatisfied with current politics and politicians and are therefore anti-establishment. Anti-globalist and pro-nationalistic.
These are the guys who pulled off Brexit and the Trump victory. They're not necessarily pro-Trump but they are unhappy with the status quo which makes them a target of both major parties.

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Nov 23 at 2016 11:37 AM

2016-11-23T11:37:53-05:00

GOOD QUESTION! The one thing the liberal media is good at is marginalizing and discrediting those that do not share their point of view or world philosophy. You don’t see any articles and extensive coverage of the shenanigans of the ultra-left wing. And when you do it filters it in terms of reasonable dissent of the election results. But let some small fringe group of the right demonstrates a modicum of poor judgment and they go ballistic. In the recent cases the events fit a long standing narrative of the left that conservatives are Nazis or members of the KKK.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 12:18 PM

2016-11-23T12:18:37-05:00

The continuing innuendo war that has been waged since our Union began. All you have to do is look at our media, education system, press and social media. When you get so many people "accepting" a term, word, phrase you end up turning whole populations over time.

When a lie is repeated often enough it takes on the shine of "truth". When enough people believe this "truth", those with the actual truth sound like they are spouting lies. It is an old propaganda trick.

Response by MCPO Mark Durland made Nov 23 at 2016 1:36 PM

2016-11-23T13:36:55-05:00

Huh. Go figure. There's an Alt-Left Facebook page (closed group, of course). My communist/socialist son (don't get me started!) is a member.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Nov 23 at 2016 2:34 PM

2016-11-23T14:34:51-05:00

Just as the far left Woodrow Wilson and the media were behind early fascism initially for it's progressive socialist ideology and had to backtrack and re-brand that same ideology as far-right once the true nature of fascist version of socialism revealed itself so they continue today with branding anything that could be considered as extremist with the newly invented alt-right.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:38 PM

2016-11-23T14:38:19-05:00

I hate Illinois Nazis

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2016 2:44 PM

2016-11-23T14:44:59-05:00

1 Marine first sergeant had a good post earlier. Instead of calling them all to write just call them Nut jobs. I mean they made fun of Illinois Nazis in the 1980 movie Blues Brothers. now we can make fun of them again because Hitler is dead. Mind Kampf was a big battle. Hitler has DNA from North Africa and Arab tribes. and nationalism and white pride Is actually the science of stupid. Just like eugenics. there is still freedom of speech. We don't have to listen to them. and I don't think Donald Trump will be paying much attention to them either. Since American Nazis pretty much went away in 1941.. and if David Duke and these guys don't think the Holocaust existed just because the others were destroyed at Auschwitz before the Russians took it over. We still have all kinds of living people and documentation even World War II veterans that are still alive that can say that it happened. The author is associated with neo-nazis. Is an embarrassment to the conservative cause. Even tea party people are not associated with them. I think they will go away pretty soon because their stupidity will just show the more they salute or use German terms from 1933.

Response by SrA Mike VanDeMark made Nov 23 at 2016 11:15 PM

2016-11-23T23:15:33-05:00

No. The term alt-right refers to a alternate version of conservatism, but not one associated with the main. Alternate in the sense that, at its root, it shares more values with the conservative party than liberal, as the alt-left does for liberals. Alt left would include such wonderful (sarcasm) figures such as Che, and other revolutionaries of the sort. Unfortunately for conservatives, we have alt-right figures such as Hitler.

Response by SGT David Baker made Nov 24 at 2016 6:21 AM

2016-11-24T06:21:07-05:00

You did not include the option "Does the pope crap in the woods" , so yeah...

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2016 6:47 PM

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No. Even Glenn Beck's pointed out it's a term embraced by Bannon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjqea1QlOOo

Glenn Beck CNN Full Interview over Steve Bannon: 'Alt Right Movement is Real' (part 1/3)

CNN Anderson Cooper Interviews Glenn Beck 11/15/2016 over Donald Trump Chief Strategist Pick Breibart's Steve Bannon

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Nov 27 at 2016 9:34 AM

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Not in the true sense of "coining the term", but the Mainstream Media IS using the 'term" to vilify almost every Conservative group out there. The only problem is no one's listening to them anymore except hardcore sycophants on the Left. It's a vague term like "White Privilege" which has no quantifiers, can't be defined, means whatever you want it to mean, and is overtly used explicitly to shut down discussion of a specific point of view.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2016 4:12 PM

2016-11-28T16:12:27-05:00

I'm pretty sure it's what people call racist shitbags when they're too chickenshit to say what they mean, and the people on the receiving end of the term prefer it over the reality of their white supremacy. So no, I don't think its about smearing Conservatives, I think it's about the worst people from the "right" trying to hide in plain sight. We've simply yet to coin a term for it when it happens with the far-left. *Edited for a spelling error

Response by CPT Alexander Grant made Dec 15 at 2016 8:26 PM

2016-12-15T20:26:04-05:00

just a reason for folks on rallypoint to be mad about something.

"Every republican isn't a racist and every Democrat isn't a freedom fighter" - Nina Turner

Response by CPT Wade Lipsey made Jan 24 at 2017 9:42 AM

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Originally ,"alt-right", meant the alternative to the Bush , Globalization Republican Party. It had nothing to do with race or religion. The Democrats first line of defense or offense is to marginalize. They did the same with the tea party

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 3:19 PM

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There have always been attempts to group people together to protect or harass them. For example, Entitlements represents payments to 3 roughly equal sized groups. The first is retirees. The second are the disabled, chronically ill, elderly, and children. The last is people who could work, but for whatever reason aren't working. No one I know disagrees that retirees deserve the social security payments they receive from the system they paid into. Very few people disagree with payments to the second group. But the third group ... well even though I don't think FDR's programs were fiscally sound, at least he enrolled those who wanted payments in job training programs and put them to work building dams and roads.

Liberal politicians, wanting to gather as many votes as possible, will always try to shield this third group in the umbrella of entitlements, and cast any attempt to reduce their support as affecting one of the other two groups.

The Left and Right play this same game politically, each claiming the other is as extremist as possible. I doubt many Liberals would vote for Stalin, or many Conservatives would vote for Hitler, but it's always important to pretend they would. Even Libertarians are described by their opponents as supporting Anarchy, considered to be Libertarianism carried to the extreme.

Someone, and I think it's the extremists who fund the parties, doesn't want there to be any compromise. Being a conservative Democrat or a Liberal Republican has become a ticket to defeat in your next election. If you don't hold extremist views, you won't get financial support from your party.

I'm an optimist, but I think the vast majority of America despises the racist politics of both the extreme Left and extreme Right. But Harry Reid, in 2013, was jubilant over the reduction in approval votes for presidential appointees (except to the Supreme Court) from 60 to 51. He wanted to give Obama the power to ignore his opponents, but now Trump will benefit.

The recent election almost completely switched the Left and the Right. The Left now supports State's Rights, the Left now thinks limitations on Presidential authority is a good thing, and for the first time in history, the Left thinks the Russian government is bad. Maybe we should have learned from this and raised the number of votes from 60 to 66, to force the parties to meet in the middle where most of America is.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jan 30 at 2017 9:32 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner The alt-right as far as I know exist on the internet and in a store front office in Washington DC. It is a lobbying company in the making. Since there is nothing written in any scholars journals subject to peer review in the Alt. Right whatnot may stand for is largely just speculation. The only visible evidence is that since the Republican Convention the Tea Party has gone into the history book. Like the John Birch Society of the late 50's and early 60's It came, it acted stupid, it left. I know the JBS still exist and there is at least four location nationally that claim to be the HQ of the JBS we have one in California. Its east of Escondido Calif on the wat to the Rincon Casino. There is a chain link fence with a barb wire top around a couple of mobile home that have seen better days and a sign proclaiming itself as the National Headquarters of the John Birch Society.