Is it wrong for any of us to interfere with a suicide attempt?

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:34:40 -0500

Hi, I've been struggling with this question for a while. I want to know what the Rallypoint Community thinks and feels about the question posed. Is it wrong for us to interfere with a suicide attempt? What gives us the right?

I personally think that if you chose to end your life, than that is your choice. I also feel that if you are under the age of 50, you haven't lived. You havent experienced all the joys, and that is probably why you are depressed. But depression is caused by many issues, and some say suicide is the actions of not getting any help. We always see various men and women who save the person attempting suicide, at the very last minute possible. They are held as heroes, maybe some wanted to be saved. But some, make future attempts. Some of those people are successful. But what truly gives us the right to decide? Should we?

I have been told that I don't have a soul, this is true to a degree. The military has made me callous but I also do have compassion for my fellow man. I give charitably, I laugh and cry. I have generally become more of a thoughtful human being than the callous and angry person I was after leaving the military. I still can't shake it, If I see someone over the age of 50, attempting suicide; I might just let them go through with it. They have lived longer than I have, they gave it a go; they couldn't take it anymore. This post is going to offend, I know it will. But I honestly want to hear your opinion.

Do we have the right to interfere???

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Dec 20 at 2015 11:37 AM

SFC Pete Kain — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:37:47 -0500

Absolutely we have a right, most suicide attempts are a cry for help, and many change their minds once they start their attempt.

If they are truly serious, you would never have the chance to interfere anyway.

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Dec 20 at 2015 11:39 AM

SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:39:38 -0500

I have lost several friends, close friends to suicide. I wish I would have been there to have interfered. While I don't know why they chose to end it all - and perhaps it is their right and destiny - I choose life. I feel that no matter how crappy life is at this point and time as long as we have two legs that work or can be mobile in some regard - we can move past hurtful times and start new.

I can't say I've never considered suicide. When I divorced from my first wife I considered lots of things. It was a hard time. But having moved beyond those times and have found a new wife and now have a toddler son - had I chose to end my life I would have missed it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 11:50 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:50:48 -0500

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres Yes it is right. Sometimes we have to save someone from themselves. They've gone to a very dark place from which they cannot see a way out and we have to help them. If you can live with the knowledge that you allowed someone to take their life then that's your choice. I cannot, I would be faced with the guilt of my inaction every day of the rest of my life.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 11:55 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:55:45 -0500

I think as human beings we have the duty to "interfere" with a suicide attempt, SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres. Depression can be treated. Things may look bleak today, but what about tomorrow or next week? Suicide doesn't allow for tomorrow or next week. And suicide is, as they say, a cry for help. We should help by talking to the person, putting them in touch with professionals who can help. My humble opinion, anyhow.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 20 at 2015 12:19 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:19:29 -0500

Suicide is a permanent solution to what is most often a temporary problem..
That said I can support suicide in some cases, but not most.
If the problem is permanent , medically incurable, diagnosed with no chance of remission, death inevitable and in doing so naturally would be painful, no quality of life possible and a burden to those I love.... I can see it..
But generally, if not that or something like it, Id say stepping in and provided help is the right thing.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Dec 20 at 2015 12:21 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:21:32 -0500

Suicide, from what I have been briefed, is often a call for help with issues instead of an attempt at taking one's life. I feel we owe it to them as brothers and sisters in life to at least try to find out what those issues are and offer help.
Remember this solution doesn't just effect the victim. There are family members and friends to think about as well.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 20 at 2015 1:46 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:46:58 -0500

It would haunt me if I did not try to stop it. I see one life lost and the family will suffer immensely, and suicide tends to run in the families.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Dec 20 at 2015 2:52 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:52:24 -0500

A lot of it hinges on the term "choice". Most legal thinking says you're not capable of making a reasoned choice if you're contemplating suicide, hence a lot of intervention authority out there. My first suicide was a classmate in high school. Back in the day, there was no such thing as grief counselors, etc. so we all had to go through a private numb for some time. Second on was much more personal. One of mine didn't show up for muster. We checked his space, found a picture of him and wife with wife's face cut out, and then found him later out on the ice permanently asleep. Hypothermia is very cruel. It quickly puts you into a don't care state so you don't even begin to think about saving yourself. So whatever his intentions, he didn't have a choice about 20 minutes in. Suicides were more common up on Adak with about 1-2 a year. Again the service didn't have any clue how to deal with it. Interesting thing was the male/female split was fairly even. The Navy didn't have a clue how to tackle the high pregnancy rate either as single enlisteds would get depressed and then figure out if they got pregnant, they'd get tossed off the island. So the response out at NSGA was to bump up the projected turnover rate and leave it at that.

I was thinking of how far we have come along since then. Although there's much more support, awareness, etc. out there, the pool of SMs prone to suicide seems higher. That tells me their upbringing wasn't the same as my generation, hence more difficulty handling life's tough realities. Unscientific for sure but that's my impression.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 20 at 2015 3:07 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:07:48 -0500

Damn, this is a great question, one I've never before considered. To be honest, I came up with an answer pretty quickly. Yes, I would interfere. If a person is truly committed to taking their own life I expect that they will do so efficiently and privately. Anyone who "attempts" suicide is really crying out for help and I would provide it. Attempting suicide under conditions where another is likely to interfere is not a serious attempt.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 3:26 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:26:23 -0500

If someone is going to kill himself/herself, then there is nothing that anyone can do about it. We are in the business of succeeding. If I'm going to take my life, I'm going to make sure II get it done. The only people who will really know whether something is wrong are my close friends and those who know me.

The military believing that it can teach people to identify suicidal tendencies is BS. I don't understand why the army doesn't teach people to spend time with one another and that will take care of most of the "leadership" issues... Instead everyone is so afraid of fraternizing that they don't spend any time with their subordinates

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 3:41 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:41:42 -0500

From time to time, all of us have dark thoughts and some even think that suicide is the path to relief. Suicide is the path to defeat and death. Many people have been treated for depression, and are living out there lives. We have a duty as fellow human beings to help out those who are suffering.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 20 at 2015 3:46 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:46:20 -0500

Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem; if it can be delayed it might be prevented when the current passions subside.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 20 at 2015 3:47 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:47:23 -0500

Allowing someone to kill themselves and you know they're planning on doing the deed is akin to me as you committing murder. I could never allow (if I have the means to stop) someone from killing themselves to do it. All killing yourself does is saddle your family with questions that will never be answered, ruin additional lives that were there for you, and can ruin the hopes and dreams of your loved ones that include you. I know personally times can/will get hard, but you have to find that "release" that allows you to buy some time to get help, or recognize you DO need help. Find something to smile about, a dog, a Disney movie, slapping the neighbors cat, working on the car, lifting weights, or just going for a ride to nowhere just to clear your mind and give you a chance to reorganize your thoughts and make something out of nothing. If you desire to "feel" a gunshot, shoot yourself in the thigh. You will NOW KNOW how stupid your thought process really was, and you'll have a dumbass story to tell everyone over a beer. Most importantly, you'll be with us, and we'll be with you.
If ANYONE on RP has the sudden desire to "hurt" or kill themselves and you live in the NORVA area, please get hold of me. I'll damn sure try to talk you out of it, I'll call the cops to help both of us, I'll even come to you. BUT BELIEVE THIS....If I have to come to you because you wanted to hurt yourself, I'm going to kick your a**, practice my combat lifetaker skills(that are out of date but who cares), make sure you heal, kick your a** again, and get you some professional help. I will not stand by and allow a friend of mine to hurt or kill themselves. I'll even bring beer so you can heal up between rounds. But make no mistake about it, my resolve is solid. I will not sit back on this, so one of us are gonna get his a** beat, and it won't be me, but BOTH of us will live to see another day. Both of us will work it out, and you will be laughing at this episode later on in life. I AM my Brother and Sisters keeper.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Dec 20 at 2015 4:02 PM

Cpl Clinton Britt — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:02:38 -0500

In my opinion, the only way suicide is feasible is, when the enemy has captured you and is about to exterminate you anyway. I would rather die by my hand than tortured to death.

Having had lost family members to suicide due to their PTSD and Alcoholism, he made a last minute decision to take his own life. He didn't ask for help and he was angry at the time.

If I had k known , I would have stopped him or tried. He was young and loved.

There is a difference in quitting and giving up. There is always another day to fight the good fight and you don't have to do it alone. Find some one that you can trust and take the journey of counseling and get help.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 4:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:09:43 -0500

If I am there and have the means to halt a suicide attempt, you'd best believe that I will do everything I can to stop them. They might be grateful that a moment of misery didn't turn into a premature end. They might be bitter that I stood in their way and they might try again tomorrow.
I don't care.
Not on my watch.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Dec 20 at 2015 4:49 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:49:26 -0500

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres as long as the suicide attempt is not a death by police or security personnel attempt, then interfering by persuasion, comforting, or listening to the person who is attempting suicide is praiseworthy.
I have known many people who attempted suicide and a few who were successful unfortunately. Many people contemplating suicide are extremely depressed to the point that they have no hope and that they have no worth. Helping somebody who is clinically depressed is not something to be scoffed at. Each person is valued by God and we are all created in His image - though we can't understand the depth and breadth of that.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are not responsible if the person we are trying to help attempts suicide or is successful.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Dec 20 at 2015 5:23 PM

SGT Patrick Reno — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:23:34 -0500

Jose
23 years ago I had a friend I worked with. He was also a fellow veteran. He was at my house on a Sunday. All afternoon ewe worked in my shop building a case for his bow, he stayed for dinner and played video games with my kids. Monday he didn't show up for work, could not get him on the phone. Went over to his house and he had shot himself that night. His death still haunts me because I didn't see he had a problem and I was not able to save him.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 20 at 2015 6:04 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 18:04:10 -0500

Challenging, Interesting Question. I am a believer in "Right to Die" for Terminal Illness, Why make someone suffer but I do believe those that are suffering from Depression need our utmost help to prevent them from taking their life without fully realizing their Life Potential. Case by Case Basis.

Response by PO3 Michael James made Dec 20 at 2015 7:42 PM

PO3 Michael James — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:42:29 -0500

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres, Sir; .. INTERFERE .. I agree with CW5 Montgomery.. "We HAVE the duty" .. "Depression can be treated" .. I am over 50 !! We all have some sort of depression to deal with.. we are human.. we question our own existence, and question if what we are doing is correct.. we sometimes feel as though we do not matter.. weather anyone will even remember.. however, we can NOT always see what is IN FRONT of us.. How OTHERS see us.. do we matter ?? YES to some.. my Grandson sees me as some sort of super grandpa.. if I am healthy, rich, poor, it makes NO difference to him.. Right now I am something that matters to him, possibly others, I will not deprive him, or someone else, by taking an easy way out.. WE have a right to be here... at least until we are taken by a power greater than us, We have a job to do.. If you can... INTERFERE DO SO ... someone needs that individual..

Response by SPC David Glines made Dec 20 at 2015 8:57 PM

SPC David Glines — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:57:37 -0500

I am kind of mixed I say yes interfere up to a point if it will physically hurt ones self by ether stopping the person or attempting to stop them then I wouldn't but if it was going to physically harm others including the person trying to commit suicide then I would make an attempt to stop them hope this makes sense

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 20 at 2015 8:58 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:58:34 -0500

If one is terminal with less than a year to live, the decision is solely theirs. In most instances, I would abhor the decision.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 11:48 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:48:32 -0500

All life is precious. I truly believe this, and that belief played a large role in my desire to become a combat medic. People might say that it's not my place to make that type of decision for another, to rob them of their agency. To those people I would tell them that even if I'm subjectively in the wrong for doing so I would intervene in a suicide attempt as I would see it as an act of saving someones life which is something I can't see as anything other than an act of good.

Response by SFC Cornelius Walsh made Dec 21 at 2015 3:13 AM

SFC Cornelius Walsh — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:13:15 -0500

I don't see it as a right to interfere. I see it as a responsibility to intervene.

Sometimes, there are people that choose to exit life on their own terms due to issues such as a terminal disease, etc. I can respect that.

Unfortunately, however, I've also seen people exit this mortal coil because they simply didn't have hope. I wouldn't ever want to think that someone could have survived their darkest point because I didn't reach out.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 10:08 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:08:27 -0500

You have the responsibility to interfere, almost always it's a temporary problem that can be dealt with using treatment and/or meds. Sometimes even short treatments have long term results.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 12:30 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:30:28 -0500

Let me put it this way...The desire to survive is instinctive; people have done some pretty amazing things to come out of some pretty messed up situations.

To my mind, anything that is so powerful that it genuinely shuts off that "survival imperative"...can't be healthy, let alone an acceptable choice.

No one can see the future...maybe that person over fifty, thinking they've got nothing left to give, and nothing left in the endurance tank...can overcome and accomplish something truly amazing for others with their experience. Even those suffering from terminal illness can choose to face that last fight courageously, inspiring others going through the same thing.

More to the point...no one's a mind reader.

I'd hate to think that I "let" someone face that without at least one voice of hope.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 3:19 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:19:43 -0500

It's always wrong to not interfere. Human life is invaluable and people who are suicidal do not see how much they are worth. Life is extremely challenging at times and overwhelms us to what we feel like is a breaking point, but nothing is too hard or too painful to overcome...NOTHING.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Dec 21 at 2015 11:36 PM

COL Charles Williams — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:36:13 -0500

No... it is your/our duty. ACE

Response by SPC Michael Crosby made Dec 22 at 2015 7:17 AM

SPC Michael Crosby — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:17:13 -0500

I think anyone who attempts suicide is mentally ill. So, wouldn't it be wrong not to try to save them and help them get appropriate medical and psychological treatment?

Response by GySgt Bryan A. McGown "Gunny" made Dec 22 at 2015 7:21 AM

GySgt Bryan A. McGown "Gunny" — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:21:00 -0500

Complicity, murder by assisted suicide, failure of leadership; these are my first thoughts on the thread.
I'm sorry, but what happened to take care of our own? What is happening to our leadership training when a Sergeant in today's military asks if it's OK, and then articulates that it's basically not our job to lead and protect our brothers and sisters.
I too, have had fellow Marines take their own lives, and would consider this as an option only as described below.
We can't allow ourselves to give up, and we owe it to the would-be survivors to prevent suicide. I agree that suicide ends what may seem like a life-ending circumstance. But, far too often these could be addressed with the help of our military community.
Over run by the enemy? Facing a fatal disease that has been confirmed by more than one doctor - perhaps these are reasons to look the other way, but my initial gut reaction is to preserve life. There could be a solution of which you simply unaware.

Response by Cpl Jay Samdahl made Dec 22 at 2015 7:53 AM

Cpl Jay Samdahl — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:53:27 -0500

A young man of 30 just hung himself. I recall how his mother came to visit me when she was pregnant with him. I knew him all his life. The funeral is Saturday.

I believe that everyone should have the choice. But if I had came across his attempt, something inside of me would have taken over and I would have stopped him. What if there was a walk in suicide help center? You would walk in, answer the questions of why, and off you go. Our societies attitude about suicide is completely wrong. And because of that, the proper help is not available. People will not find the help they need because they can not tell some one that they are considering the option of suicide. You get locked up for not thinking right when actually you may be 100 percent spot on in your thinking.

There are 8 BILLION people on this planet. 7 billion will not have a life worth writing about. So it would be doing the planet a favor if they would stop using up the earths resources (carbon footprint). But I will say it again... If I came across a suicide attempt, something inside of me would cause me to stop it.

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Dec 22 at 2015 8:19 AM

Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:19:08 -0500

Suicide is a cry for help so yes, it is wrong not to interfere.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Dec 22 at 2015 11:15 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:15:38 -0500

It is a gut call that each person will have to make when confronted with the situation. For me personally, it's a no brainer...you do what ever it takes to stop the attempt. I have been in the situation and I stepped in to stop the person. I am glad I did although needed a change of shorts when it was all over. IMPO, if you do nothing, you have no heart.

Response by SP5 Jim Hatch made Dec 22 at 2015 8:46 PM

SP5 Jim Hatch — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:46:45 -0500

Another question, a recruiter would be in deep **** if he allows someone to enter the service if he knows the recruit has attempted suicide. Now for my problem, I know of a 2 Star whom allowed his son (whom had attempted suicide) to join, and he was ok with son going to ranger school. He had to be off his meds, as if he were taking then he would be discharged (right). If and could the retired officer be reprimanded. The officer also had a ego right up there or surpassing MacArthur. Yes I am biased.

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Dec 22 at 2015 9:37 PM

PO1 Joseph Glennon — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:37:44 -0500

Wow... you have asked a very potent and powerful question.

My first answer is yes - we have the right and obligation to interfere. *ALL* innocent life is sacred... suicide doesn't guarantee it won't get worse for the soul (or the body, really); but, suicide does cement the fact that it won't get better.

There are caveats, of course: if someone is terminally ill, and is painfully wasting away, costing his / her family their financial security for the future, I can understand that. I'm still against it.

Emotional reasons? No. They need help, not the dirt nap.
Financial reasons? No. Time to start doing something - anything - to bring in income. One can make do and survive with far less than they think.
Death of a loved one? No. Their memory is not served by the self-spilling of the blood of those who miss them.

However: if someone wants to go do a shooting spree, killing innocents, and then finish it off with a suicide... to *those* people (and to them, alone), I say, "Start with yourself."

If you're secular, and only believe in the laws of man, it's illegal to commit suicide (in most places). So it's our duty to stop them from breaking the law.

If you're a believer in the Creator, then you understand that He breathed life into the human being... it's a moral obligation to stop someone from destroying / ending that life.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Dec 22 at 2015 11:14 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:14:23 -0500

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres, I think you are incredibly misguided; Hon. It is not for man to decide when to end his life; it is for GOD to decide when the end of a man's life should be. You HAVE a soul; and you were given a conscience; my love.
Nobody in his right mind- in my estimation and opinion- should ever stand by and let a fellow man take his life....no matter how badly that fellow man is suffering. Taking one's life is a non-option. A coward's option. The right thing to do, would be to guide one's fellow man to the right help.
With My Love, Margaret

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 7:29 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 07:29:40 -0500

Answer: No, it's not wrong to interfere with a suicide attempt. Period.

And I could end my answer there, but obviously that's not where it stops. I believe we struggle with this question because the everyday person is not always confronted with this responsibility, and we're not all equiped with the right training. So, if it were me, I'd be scared that I'd fail my friend. That doesn't mean I wouldn't try, because in the end, I believe we have the right and the responsibility as a compassionate human being to interefere with a suicide attempt.

And in regards to depression: I believe it's too easy to say, someone is depressed, and that's why they want to end their lives. I found (un-scientifically), that people want to end their lives because they feel strongly that they have no purpose anymore. I try to imagine that myself, and it's haunting. Can you imagine what it would feel like if you thought you had no use to exist?

This may all sound like thigns you've heard before, but I sincerely believe this, and I hope you do too.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 8:03 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:03:27 -0500

Ask anyone who has attempted to and failed to kill themselves, and many will tell of the immediate regret/fear after their decision. You can never go wrong trying to help others. We may not be able to prevent future attempts, but there is a chance that you can save a life, and even that small chance is still worth any effort.

Response by CPT W Brown made Dec 23 at 2015 8:40 AM

CPT W Brown — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:40:04 -0500

A tough question, SGT Jose. And a lot of valuable thought in your comments.

It should be an individual's informed choice. What is "informed?" How informed would I be if I were ready to put an end to it all? I imagine I would be depressed, feeling out of control, not able to deal wit my demons, etc. Nothing easy in that. Nothing rationally informed.

Our daughter is an LT in the brown Navy. She is a neuropsychologist, and one of her most meaningful experiences has been when she was in the mess hall in Helmand Province, and a guy across the room shouted out to her with a big grin and thumbs up as only a Marine can shout, THANKS, DOC!" as he was heading out of the dining area and on his way to return to the US. 6 months earlier he had been one of our daughter's patients who wanted to commit suicide.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 9:06 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:06:13 -0500

Suicide attempts (most) are a result of a medically condition that can be clinically diagnosed, with depression being the most common. There are treatments for it. If you're friends was diagnosed with cancer and did not know where to go, would you get then help our let then die? It is the same with depression, schizophrenia, split personality, or any host of behavior health issues. If the person has a terminal diagnosis and wants to pursue "death with dignity", that is an entirely different conversation, but that is not the majority of what is seen in the Military Health System.

Response by Sgt Paul McCarthy made Dec 23 at 2015 9:28 AM

Sgt Paul McCarthy — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:28:38 -0500

In most cases, I feel it would be your duty to do so. You have a moral obligation to help, the consequences of not are just too great a burden to bear for me.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Dec 23 at 2015 9:58 AM

MSgt J D McKee — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:58:47 -0500

Many "attempts" are a cry for help. I think every adult person has the right to go to hell in the manner of their choosing, and we should not interfere. Just my personal belief. "Go to hell" is figurative and not religious, I don't think there is a hell, myself. I mean if they want to smoke, fine, drink themselves to death, fine, suicide, no problem, so long as they do not endanger innocents.

Having re-thought the above briefly, I don't think I'd commit suicide myself, every major religion on the planet condemns it and while I believe in no deity, I think I'd rather hedge my bets just in case. It's still ok for everyone else, though, y'all enjoy!

Response by SSgt Robert Jorgensen made Dec 23 at 2015 10:47 AM

SSgt Robert Jorgensen — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:47:42 -0500

Jose, as a vet and as 24 yr firefighter/paramedic, I attempted it when my world spiraled down after a career ending injury. I was 1/100th of a second from pulling the trigger when my daughter jumped on my back trying to take it away. When we hit the floor, Somethink clicked in my head - if I pull this .223 round will kill me AND go into her. I could not do that to my baby girl! With help from quite a few, I am writing this for anyone to see and read. Life will get by the bad stuff and you WILL be thankful the suicide was beat!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 11:04 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:04:06 -0500

My opinion is that I believe it is not wrong to interfere with a suicide attempt. A suicide attempt is often times just that, an attempt. It is often times a cry for help cloaked in confusion. By all means assist if you can. There are many families, husbands, wives, children, and other family members and friends today that are so thankful that someone talked their loved one out of committing suicide. Someone recognized that a person needed help. If you have not been trained to ASIST, at least go get help.
Some newborn has a father, mother, sister, brother because someone recognized that someone just needed help. Life can be challenging and full of ups and downs and unfairness. we are all here together, so we should reach out and help each other when we can. Suicide is confusion which can be prevented if you allow someone to help or you get someone help. My opinion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 11:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:33:11 -0500

After reading all of the posts regarding this question I feel that a LT finally nailed it right on the head LT Brown gets it right.
Firstly, YES, if you are in a situation that gives you a chance to prevent a suicide, DO IT!!!!
Secondly, spend the time and effort to be involved in the lives of all the soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and people you're around. We are on this earth to live in communion with one another. We are designed, prewired as it were, to be together. Together, we are made better. Separately, we are weak beyond belief. You can't be friends with everyone, but you can care about everyone. And you should.
That's my humble opinion as I near 30 years of service. No matter who you are or where you are...I care about YOU.

Response by CPO Don Lamb made Dec 23 at 2015 11:34 AM

CPO Don Lamb — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:34:58 -0500

It is not just a that you have or do not have the right it is that you have a responsibility to step in and try to prevent this action by another person. The fact that they attempted suicide in a place where someone could discover their action while they were attempting it says that the are reaching out for help to stop them or are so far gone mentally that they do not know what they are doing and need help. If they truly wanted to commit suicide without hurting others it would occur in a private place where no one would stubble on them in the attempt. It is commonly believed that to commit suicide you have mental issues that if given the appropriate therapy will change those feelings. But, for the person finding someone committing suicide it is their responsibility to stop them if possible. What does being over 50 have to do with it being ok to kill yourself anyway. I am 57 and hopefully barring an accident I will have 30 - 40 years left as my parents and grandparents did. Hel my Grandparents on my father's side live late into their 90s (97 & 99).

Response by SPC William Weedman made Dec 23 at 2015 11:41 AM

SPC William Weedman — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:41:10 -0500

I have walked that dark road (prior to my service) and had a young woman who was able to light a candle and show me the way out. I could not see a way out, and years later found out there were others who could see the issue I was facing and were working to give me a solution, but never knew what I was planning. Since then, unless in total jest, I treat anyone who talks about hurting themselves seriously. Yes, occasionally it has been used against me my those too immature to understand my history, but my adult life has been about helping others, as a medic & as a firefighter. As a soldier my mission was to treat my teammates, that expanded as I got wiser to all veterans and fellow service members and today it extends to humanity. I no longer live in the US, but I do watch out for others and would sit as long as needed to convince someone to not hurt themselves. My beautiful bride has had a dark past and has seriously tried to kill herself and failed thankfully. She too is in a much brighter place and would help me to stop a suicide attempt. Where I live now, euthanasia is legal, and I do struggle with that as I see it as legal suicide, but that will not stop me from trying to convince someone not to end their life.

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Dec 23 at 2015 11:41 AM

SSG Wayne Wood — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:41:30 -0500

The problem with the live-and-let live (or die) philosophy is that folks who are suicidal are rarely in a good state of mind to make a rational decision of that importance and it is hard to get a "do-over" once the deed is done. I know in my own life there have been times when things happened I thought were the end of my world (as when my military career was medically terminated and my first marriage ended at the same time) - had I been a different person I might have considered suicide. Had I done that I would have missed the wonderful life and family that waited for me after I got out and survived the adjustment.

One of my favorite Scripture passages is from Genesis 50:20 - "you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good." How many times have I seen that? Dumped by your girlfriend? Just see her in twenty years and be glad you dodged that bullet. Just an example.

Response by CPT Mike Schultz made Dec 23 at 2015 11:44 AM

CPT Mike Schultz — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:44:15 -0500

I do not think it is wrong and think we must. Has anyone had experience stopping one? I wouldn't be exactly sure of what to do in the hours/days/weeks afterwards, as I'd of course feel responsible for them. To what extent do you maintain their privacy? Can you insist on taking them to a hospital? What that even be appropriate to do? I'd want to be cautious about introducing unneeded stress into their life by doing the "wrong" thing in a sensitive time & send them over the edge again.

Response by CPL Darrell Mitchell made Dec 23 at 2015 11:52 AM

CPL Darrell Mitchell — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:52:02 -0500

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I would do all things possible to interfere with a suicide attempt. I've met people that thought that suicide was their only option, but later went on to live happy, joyous lives. I truly hope that, if anyone of you could prevent a suicide attempt, you would.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 12:50 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:50:16 -0500

Are you saying all your decisions have been good decisions? Are you saying you've made life-changing decisions without consulting others and they all turned out in your favor?
How is suicide any different?

Response by MAJ Jim Henderson made Dec 23 at 2015 1:07 PM

MAJ Jim Henderson — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:07:34 -0500

I believe that in many cases today the attempt to commit suicide is a planned route to obtaining the tag of PTSD. On several occasions I have been privy to conversations where someone coaches another on how to be diagnosed as having PTSD. Once that claim has been made there are few doctors that will deny the claim because they don't want to be the one that catches the flak for misdiagnoses.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 23 at 2015 1:37 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:37:14 -0500

Having been a street paramedic for a number of years, gone too many calls where attempts were made, abuse of EMS, abuse of law enforcement, abuse from law enforcement. I have had a very jaded opinion. I can say I know of more than few medics and EMT's who wished the government would put out informational video's on how to do it right and quit wasting peoples time. That is the jaded medic in me. I know many of you are going to blast me for that comment, but keep reading. My thoughts changed after I had to deal with this issue on personnel level, when my brother died of an overdose. He was a fitness nut, it was side of him that I didn't know about, as he had been estranged for years. We were close as kids, he had no idea what the meaning of fear was, would of been a great soldier if didn't have asthma, and was allergic to just about half the planet. It floored me that this happened, a part of me was gone forever. It has been 20 years, and every Christmas I still feel the sting his birthday was on 18th, and his body was found on the 27th of Dec. Nothing I had ever done changed me as profoundly as that, patients were no longer just another call. I saw Kyle in place I never thought I would. So is it wrong for us, maybe, maybe not, but that person is someone's loved one, someone's dad, brother, sister. Nothing was harder than the day I said goodbye to him at the cemetery. No one should have to go through that pain, nothing in this life is so damn bad that you need to end it. That one act of interfering could be the difference for a lot of people.

Response by MAJ James Fitzgerald made Dec 23 at 2015 1:59 PM

MAJ James Fitzgerald — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:59:18 -0500

SGT Perihelia-Torres...no doubt there are others who have similar views to you on suicide being a personal choice. I have personal experience with suicide, both in my immediate family, and with friends. My sister took her life two days before Christmas by drowning herself in the farm pond. She had depression and anxiety issues virtually all of her life, going from one doctor to another, if she did not like the doctor, or didn't agree with his/her viewpoint. She became over medicated as a result. I have lost multiple friends to suicide as well. For the moment, let's disregard any 'religious beliefs' in the decision to interfere or not interfere. When a person is to the point of suicide, s/he cannot make rational decisions, cannot see any other path out of the situation and feel that others they love would be better off without them, because they believe all they do is cause trouble for those they love. (there are other reasons people decide to take their own life, but these factors are present in most) So you see, in their mind there is no other choice, but the decision process is flawed, because they cannot come up with another alternative to make a choice. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my mother and father would have done anything to deter that situation, but ultimately, she could not feel the sorrow, anguish and heartache that her family felt...do not interpret that as being mad, upset, etc, because that is not the case, although most family members do feel those things at one time or another after it happens. My sister loved my mother more than any other, and she would have given you her last dollar, if she thought you needed the help. Had my sister been able to 'see and feel' what the aftermath would be for my parents and her other siblings, she would not have taken her life. I am a believer, as was my mother (she died a few years after my sister's suicide) and father...there are various views on suicide within different theology groups, with many saying you cannot get forgiveness. Whether you agree with that or not, it impacted my mother, as she was never the same after my sister's death...although I cannot know for sure, I am confident that took many years off of my mother's life, and part of that was not knowing whether she could be forgiven...lots of people feel this view is just stupidity, while others see it as a very real outcome. I have chosen to leave that in God's hands, because I will never be able to answer the forgiveness question with 100% certainty. So SGT Torres, not only could the person not choose rationally between suicide and moving forward, due to his/her mental state, the aftermath on the family could not be seen or felt by the person either...I hope this response gives you insight into the reason I believe you absolutely should intervene (and I have with those suffering from depression) to prevent the person's desire to take his/her own life. Yes, life has some deep valleys, but those valleys can be bridged with the help and support of those professionally trained to provide medical and emotional support. If you know someone that you feel is in trouble, I encourage you to intervene, because your intervention can bring them back, while saving family and friends the anguish of, 'I should have known, why didn't I see it, what else could I have done?' that haunts you in the aftermath. Take care...be safe!

Response by PO1 Charles Kozlowski made Dec 23 at 2015 3:04 PM

PO1 Charles Kozlowski — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:04:11 -0500

Tough question, yes. I would agree on that. However, I'd personally think that an "attempt" if it was a real attempt, would be successful. I'm not a psychologist by any standard, but I think an attempt is simply a call for help, with too much pride to actually ask for it. I think anyone has the right to interfere. A cousin of mine killed himself via heroin overdose. I wish I would have seen the signs before he went back up north. I feel myself in a state of mind now where I'd rather try and fail, then not to have tried at all. I've previously been in a deep state of depression, and asked for help (eventually). Not everyone can put their pride aside to make that step. While your post may offend some, it will hopefully save a life. At least one. Kudos, SGT!

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Dec 23 at 2015 3:34 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:34:26 -0500

Good Lord, NO! If you see someone attempting suicide, you MUST intervene. It is almost always NOT a normal or reasoned act, but a desperate indication of supreme distress. With the right help, almost everyone can recover from depression.
It's important to remember that for those persons who survive a suicide attempt, almost all of them report that their last conscious thought was of regret and wishing they had not done what they did. If you see someone getting into a car who is drunk, shouldn't you stop them? Suicide is NOT normal, we have a moral obligation to intervene and save a life if possible.

Response by Cpl Tim Braun made Dec 23 at 2015 3:39 PM

Cpl Tim Braun — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:39:41 -0500

We should try to help any person trying to commit suicide. Many times it is a way of asking for help. Even if it is not a plea for help you should do all you can to help that person. They may feel that suicide is their only option and have no other choice but there is always help. Just because they are in a dark place at the moment doesn't mean things can't change.

When I was on active duty I found my roommate with his wrists cut in the bathroom of our barracks room. The cuts were not deep but he was still bleeding. He told me to leave and not come back. Some of the other guys talked to him while I went and got help. Later after his wounds had been taken care of and he was transitioning out he thanked me for not just leaving him there.

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Dec 23 at 2015 6:02 PM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:02:58 -0500

I have worked as a suicide prevention counselor. We should try our best to prevent this hideous act. Perhaps that particular person was indirectly looking for some intervention. Many of these individuals are looking for a way out, and but do not receive the assistance they need. I for one, will interfere as much as I can. Suicidal individuals deserve a better chance at life. Thank you for your service. Blessings.

Response by SGT Bill Murphy made Dec 23 at 2015 7:53 PM

SGT Bill Murphy — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:53:47 -0500

Sgt. Perdelia-Torres I feel it is our moral duty as human beings to try and keep someone from committing suicide. Yes, it is their decision, but you have to ask yourself if the person is in the right frame of mind at the time. There are many interventions you could try; sometimes a depressed person, who feels there is no other way out for them, only needs someone to listen to them, and helping them get the help they need. As a Christian, I firmly believe that suicide is a sin, and if the person you are trying to help is spiritual, you could refer them to the 10 Commandments. Just because they are killing themselves, it still says "Though Shalt Not Kill".

You would be able to assist the person more if you would learn some of the suicide prevention tools, and how to apply them. Even though they may do it anyway, why not give them a little of your time and try to show them they have things to live for, and where to go for help.

Response by SPC James Seigars made Dec 23 at 2015 8:53 PM

SPC James Seigars — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:53:06 -0500

My opinion on this topic is that it, like the Abortion Debate, comes down to morals and personal choice. I was brought up to believe that taking a life is a sin and the Bible does have the 10 commandments, one of which is "thou shall NOT kill". It doesn't say murder or abort or whatever other word you want to insert, it says kill. I have been having issues with that myself lately. Does it mean don't kill people or animals or anything at all? If it means anything at all we are all doomed since even little kids kill ants, worms, flies, etc. So for me, I would have to try and "talk the person down" if I knew they were wanting to kill themselves because it is how I was raised & what I think is my moral obligation in order to try and save a person's soul.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 9:19 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:19:58 -0500

Yes. Every right. These people are in so much pain that suicide seems to be their only alternative, so they can't see the forest for the trees. We have every right AND DUTY to interfere.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 10:06 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:06:37 -0500

I believe it would depend on what led the person to think suicide is okay. I believe it is almost always the right thing to do to interfere with a suicide attempt. Sometimes that little intervention is what helps someone change their mind. Another thing to look at is the 2006 documentary "The Bridge" by Eric Steel, where one survivor of jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, that the millisecond that his hands left the bridge he regretted it. I think most people who attempt or are successful in suicide in some form or another regret it. The only time I could see if it to be acceptable is if someone had an incurable disease (like cancer), and they choose to leave this world on their own terms and not to suffer. Other then that, and even in that case, someone should intervene!

Response by SSG Aaron Gough made Dec 23 at 2015 11:20 PM

SSG Aaron Gough — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:20:16 -0500

First off I want you to know that I understand your question and don't want you to take this as a you should be ashamed of your self speech. This is just from what I've experienced in my career.

I am a police officer when I'm not wearing my Army hat. I respond to numerous suicide attempt calls every week. That's every week!! Every single one of these people end up saying basically the same thing; they didn't see where there was any help for them any more. The truly suicidal people, the ones that really mean to go through with it don't make phone calls, or text messages or even talk about it. They get it in their minds that they want to kill themselves and we respond to a DOA instead of a suicide attempt. The ones I have been to never had a suicide note, or the typical thing we are told about in the suicide prevention about giving their belongings away, or any of the Suttle hints. Something happened in their lives and they just make the decision and end their life.

The reason I explain my experiences like that is because if you never had the chance to talk someone out of suicide, or get them to help and show them that ending their life only stops their pain, but creates an unending pain for their friends and loved ones that now only wonder if there was something that they missed. Something they could have done to make that person's life just a little better or show them that their troubles were something they could work out with help.

Being a police officer in Alaska is great for getting the chance to help people with suicidal thoughts and tendencies especially when it stays mostly dark half the year.

Now to answer your question about whether or not we should interfere, I believe so because from what I have experienced in my full time job shows me that people just don't know how to reach out for help and are truly crying for help.

Response by SPC Boyd McFail made Dec 23 at 2015 11:36 PM

SPC Boyd McFail — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:36:37 -0500

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres,

I have a question to your question. If you found a close family member (Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, Wife) about to commit suicide, would you intervene? No matter how callous you think you are, I would bet you would.

We are all family just because we are Veterans. We are all Brothers and Sisters. We have been trained that we are to take care of each other to survive the shit we may find ourselves in. It is their duty to you, and yours to them. In combat if someone get in real trouble you all try to get them out of it "ALIVE".

Suicide is no difference to me. Tomorrow is another day of hope and life.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Dec 24 at 2015 11:39 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:39:07 -0500

I think this is a very hard question, and there is no simple answer. Personally I would try to get the person help, or help them myself. But the people I personally have seen in this situation were very certain about what they wanted, and really, there was no stopping them. There comes a point with a suicidal individual where they are certain, and also very accepting of the fact. Most of the time there is nothing you can do when they get to this point. It isn't like the movies, there usually isn't a last minute phone call or appeal. When someone really decides to do it, there really isn't much stopping them. The thing you have to do is recognize things before it comes to that.

Response by SGT Frank Yarum made Dec 24 at 2015 12:06 PM

SGT Frank Yarum — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:06:16 -0500

I've read through all of the responses and the corresponding comments and the one thing I did not see anyone say is how hard it is to actually detect a problem in a Veteran whom is suffering on the inside, because first as men we are taught from birth to be strong, shake it off, cowboy up, toughen up, boy don't cry, etc...etc...etc... Then we join the military and they reinforce those trait in the men and they try to make women the same way. Now female Veterans I believe still do not have the strength to control their emotions enough to hide their depression and other symptoms from people around them, and this is only because they were not taught to bury their emotions deep since they were babies as men were.

So I believe that's why it it so difficult to identify not only male Veterans that are at risk of a potential suicide attempt, but also male Veterans suffering from depression and or PTSD. It is still difficult to identify Female Veterans at risk for these issues as well, but female veterans are not as adept at keeping thing in as men are and they also ask for help faster then men will.

I was diagnosis with a Recurring Major Depression Disorder and PTSD. 19 years after I ETSed from the Army. For those 19 years as well as the 3 years I was in after Desert Storm (Was a Cavalry Scout for 14 years) I had buried my thoughts and emotions about the war deep away. At least I thought I had. After 16 years of being out of the service and working to survive, my injuries worsened to a point I could no longer work. My Appeal with the VA came through a few months later and I was awarded 100% service connected disability. But something else happened, I became withdrawn, unsociable, eritable, jumpy, etc. I stopped caring about my appearance and my health. But then Social Security required that I get a physiological evaluation. When I did I was shocked to learn I had a lot of issues. I have been in counseling ever since (going on 3 years now). And I am still here to tell every veteran out there, whether you are male or female, go to you local VA and ask for a Mental Evaluation. I did not know my own self because of the way I was raised and the way the military instills the Hoorha gung ho attitude in everyone.
home.
So I am asking every Veteran that even thinks for an instant that they are depressed, or are have nightmares related to an event that happened to you (it does not have to have occurred while you were in the service (or any symptoms related to depression or PTSD), please go to your nearest VA Medical Clinic and ask to see the Mental Health Clinic. If there is not one available in your area, you may need to drive to a VA Facility that is a fair amount of distance away but once you get a diagnosis you can then apply to get your care by civilian Doctors as the VA Facility with the care you need is more then 40 miles from your home.

P.S.
Not everyone who attempts suicide is crying out for help. Some people just lack the equipment, the means, the knowledge, and or the nerve to be able to actually complete this task. So don't believe that just because a person only made an attempt at suicide, that they really don't want to do it.
And sometimes (and I think this is probably truer then we know) we don't even attempt it because we are thinking of our loved ones and what will happen to them.

Well my two cents for this Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas everybody. And I hope the New Year bring better things for everyone.

Response by SGT Frank Yarum made Dec 24 at 2015 12:06 PM

SGT Frank Yarum — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:06:24 -0500

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Dec 24 at 2015 12:34 PM

SGT Tim Fridley — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:34:43 -0500

My View is it should never get to the point of having to interfere in the first place there are always signs and they should be heeded talk to them get them help whatever it takes

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Dec 24 at 2015 12:42 PM

SA Harold Hansmann — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:42:43 -0500

There are people over 50 who haven't "really" lived.
One question that I asked myself, when I tried to attempt suicide, that prevented me from accomplishing the job. "What's next?"as in,What else has life in store for me?"

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 24 at 2015 1:57 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:57:25 -0500

SGT PT, what is your conclusion of this thread?

Response by LCpl Michael Carter made Dec 24 at 2015 3:47 PM

LCpl Michael Carter — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:47:35 -0500

In this dream I had as a child I struggled with two men and after freeing myself I walked past a car with suicide doors. I feel If suicide was the only option then why the car. I think, no I pray if someone has a suicidal thought that they get an alternative option of maybe restoring a car with suicide doors.

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Dec 24 at 2015 8:52 PM

A1C Lisa Casserly — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 20:52:09 -0500

I think so. When a person reaches that point, they are lost, confused, and without hope. Maybe YOU have the answer. If not, you at least have an ear to LISTEN, and the ability to help. I do see your point that a person has the right to CHOOSE. But that choice should never be made when someone is lost, alone, confused or hurting. As a person who fights depression on a daily basis, I know this. My husband is my anchor, my rock. Without him, I might have fallen alongside so many other veterans.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 25 at 2015 3:30 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:30:36 -0500

Sp4 Byron Skinner. A tough question with no right answer. Many actions by individuals in combat can be called suicidal, thats why there are valor medals. More often the cause is some form of depression which need to be death with by professionals. That of course doesn't mean sh-- if you come upon somebody in the act. It that case because we are soldiers, sailor, marines and airman we have a duty to others in the military to stop them from harming themselves. There have been a lot of soldiers medals awarded for doing this. In regards to age, it is not our place to rate the value of a human life. Those that have been in combat and have seen somebody fall because of a bullet you fired know what I'm talking about.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Dec 26 at 2015 8:47 AM

SGT Chris Hill — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:47:16 -0500

Everyone has a right to intervene with any suicide attempt, and they should, however, yes it is also the right of the individual to end their life. There are many people who suffer from depression, as well as others who have a bad perception on their own lives. I strongly believe that we are our brothers keeper, we should always be on the look out for someone in distress, and always attempt to offer support. If someone sees one attempting suicide and does nothing to help prevent it, that is your right, but thats also on your conscious.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Dec 26 at 2015 9:26 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 09:26:23 -0500

I would say you have a responsibility. Our lives are constantly changing. What seems so bad today may be a laugh tomorrow. Letting someone kill themselves when you may have had a chance to stop it basically makes you an accessory to murder.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 12:14 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:14:15 -0500

It's against the law and it against good order and decorum. Instead of being self-absorbed, we need to help out our battle buddies! Can't believe you asked that question. If you are contemplating suicide, get help immediately!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2015 1:56 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:56:43 -0500

I personally would do anything I could to stop a suicide attempt, if that makes me wrong , I'm proud to be. A suicide attempt isn't just black and white that someone wishes to no longer live and that's that. Mental health problems are not always easy to diagnose, and just because you turn 50 I don't think life should be any less enjoyable. I personally know two very brilliant women who have attempted suicide, neither were combat stress related or even in the military. Both instances were mental health cases were they were not treated properly for bipolar or depression. I'm damn glad they weren't successful and they have turned their lives around and are genuinely enjoying life. They are thankful to have had the friends and family they had supporting them. I know personally I'd have a heck of time knowing that someone chose to end their life and I was merely a bystander because I refused to act.

Response by PO2 Jared White made Dec 29 at 2015 3:57 PM

PO2 Jared White — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:57:31 -0500

Yes we do have the right to to stop a brother or sister from taking their own lives, I have been on both sides of this subject, unfortunately I do not like to admit that I have made several attempts at taking my own life, each time the only thing I was thinking about was my own pain and that my family would be better off if I was not there anymore, I did not care about the repercussions of my actions, and how it was going to effect everyone around me. I have also stopped a few of my brother's from taking their own lives as well, that finally made me see what I would have felt if I would have lost them to suicide, read up on the "Spartan Pledge " we all need to be involved in helping stop the suicides.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 11:38 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:38:16 -0500

No. It is our duty as Soldiers and NCOs to stop any suicide attempt.

Response by PO2 William Myers made Dec 31 at 2015 11:33 AM

PO2 William Myers — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:33:13 -0500

I'm an elderly veteran,over 70,in very poor health and have considered suicide several times though I've never attempted it. I don't think it is because of any military event but because of my poor health and having to rely on others to care for me.Shouldn't I relieve these people from this burdin .I welcome any thoughts you have.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2016 11:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 11:22:26 -0500

Definitely NOT. By not doing anything, one could get themselves into trouble. As a soldier with PTSD, I've been down that road, and while I tried and obviously did not succeed. I still wish someone would have tried to stop me or talk me out of it while I was trying. One feels alone and helpless and hopeless along with a million other things while down that dark path. Making an attempt to stop them lets that person know that someone gives a damn. So, by all means, try to interfere with the attempt.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2016 11:07 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:07:00 -0500

You mentioned that some make future attempts - maybe they really would have rather been left to their death but I still feel it is my responsibility to give them another chance. There are many who find themselves in a dark place, try to end their lives, have someone "interfere," and live long, happy, productive lives afterwards. I have only talked to a couple, but I am sure the majority of them would say they were glad for the interference. I would also pose the following question, what gives a person the right to end their life? As a Christian I believe suicide is equivalent to playing God, hence it is always wrong. Though most don't hold the same beliefs I do they could probably agree that suicide is stealing time from the military, memories from loved ones, support from spouses and children, etc. Suicide is the most final thing anyone can do; giving someone another chance is always the right answer.

Response by SGT Mairi Hawker made Jan 8 at 2016 12:04 PM

SGT Mairi Hawker — Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:04:09 -0500

Are you crazy of course you should intervene... sometimes that is a cry for help... Depression is a bad thing and I have suffered from it for a long long time....someone who stands by and lets someone commit suicide, is guilty of assisting the person that actually committed the act of killing themselves by doing nothing...

Response by SGT James Hastings made Jan 13 at 2016 4:32 PM

SGT James Hastings — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:32:26 -0500

Good question! If the person trying to commit suicide is in the military I believe that is considered destroying government property? If so, then you seem to be bound to prevent that.

Response by SGT Vladislav Kirillin made Jan 19 at 2016 7:16 AM

SGT Vladislav Kirillin — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:16:36 -0500

Army runs T4T training. It is 5 days for instructors and 2 days class for selected soldiers at the unit. It looks like very good. Everyone have ups and downs, so it is very important to give a hand at critical moment. Some people with organic disorders can repeat attempt later, but many will not.

Response by LCpl Allen Luze made Mar 5 at 2016 7:41 PM

LCpl Allen Luze — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 19:41:18 -0500

Considering that I have a little bit extra background in suicide awareness and prevention, I believe that we have a moral duty to intervene. My personal experience includes the death of my girlfriend as a result of suicide, leading me to seek counseling and eventually joining a group called Survivors of Suicide, and also working with the local suicide help line as a responder to talk with family members after a suicide.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 11:18 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 23:18:34 -0500

Heck yes you should interfere, but not because you care (or maybe you do) about the person making the attempt. It is more about trying to prevent them from creating an even bigger mess for their loved ones to clean up behind them. Suicide is a very selfish act IMO, and if I can prevent their family from having to pick up the shattered pieces by preventing their loved one from committing suicide, I would intervene.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2016 10:13 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:13:16 -0400

Ok but to play devil's advocate, what about people with terminal illness? Who are we to deny them them the right to die with dignity and not have to needlessly suffer? We put our pets "to sleep" when there is nothing else to be done for them and they are in constant pain. We say when we do it that we are doing the "right thing". What is the difference when a person is involved and makes that decision for themselves because they don't want to suffer anymore from incurable stage 4 cancer? What do you guys think?

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 29 at 2016 4:58 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:58:20 -0400

Sergeant, SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres, I believe, that is Not our right to take our own lives....no matter how much we may be suffering. (I have suffered beyond compare.) GOD "never gives us more than we can bear"; and it is my belief that He decides when our lives are over....not us.
I do not believe we have the right to decide when our lives should end.
-Margaret

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Aug 29 at 2016 5:10 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:10:14 -0400

Go with your conscience and it is offensive that people over" fifty lived long, gave it a go, couldn't take it anymore.' The act of suicide is selfish, shutting others out and interference is more of a responsibility than a right.

Response by SGT Shawn Volkmann made Sep 22 at 2016 3:07 PM

SGT Shawn Volkmann — Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:07:35 -0400

Having been there myself I can give you an honest answer. Yes and no. If a person is mentally ill and is trying to end their own life the correct answer is yes you do have the right to interfere. If mental illness is the root cause then that person isnt thinking correctly and their judgement is impaired, the next day they may actually think what was I doing. Now here is the moral issue, if a person is terminally ill with no hope of a quality life(and this is my feeling about it) then the choice should be theirs and theirs alone. In most cases I have a calloused view of suicide. I feel that in the first case its a permanent answer for a temporary problem. In the latter case I feel that it may be a way to end suffering. But in the end its still a moral stance that you have to decide on yourself. Are you infringing on someones pursuit of happiness by stopping them?? So it still boils down to the correct answer, mine is yes and no.

Response by SCPO Penny Douphinett made Oct 12 at 2016 9:07 PM

SCPO Penny Douphinett — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 21:07:18 -0400

I know this is an old thread, but as soon as I saw it, I had to post. It is absolutely imperative to try and help someone who is suicidal or attempting suicide. I lost my son, an active duty Sailor, just 3 1/2 weeks ago to suicide. If someone had been there to talk to him, to try and stop him, he would still be with us and me, his father and 5 siblings wouldn't be facing the crushing, unimaginable pain and loss of this remarkable 26 year old young man. He was depressed, knew it, was working on it, and also knew he couldn't go to medical due to his position. I will never know or understand what happened that evening, but the result is I lost my baby boy. So, we don't leave our own behind, as leaders it is our duty to know and understand our people and as shipmates we need to look out for each other. For my son, it is just 3 1/2 weeks to late.

Response by PO2 Joan Feledy made Oct 14 at 2016 9:38 AM

PO2 Joan Feledy — Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:38:45 -0400

Well over 50 is not that old, since I am now there. I still feel I have quite a lot of life left and there is still time and availability to live more and enjoy more. The only way I would think it was right to assist someone is if they were terminally ill. But assisting will get you in trouble. No matter what you should help someone find help. The military has plenty of counselors to help in this matter and that wold be my route. What can be devastating one day or week, is nothing a week later or even a day later. You can be divorced, lost your job, lost your house etc. and still have things to live for. Usually these people are in major depression and need help getting out of it. Depression is painful, scary and debilitating, but it is escapable. If you really want to help, get them help.

Response by PO2 Loren Gilmore made Oct 4 at 2017 2:26 PM

PO2 Loren Gilmore — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:26:53 -0400

Having cleaned up after several suicides that will stay with me my lifetime I say that this is a permanent fix to a temporary problem as noted above. I have worked with sick kids that did die in medical care and they had so much to live for. You have so much to live for and the younger ones are the hardest. They have not even begun to live. Hang in there as it will get better. Death is permanent. Seek out and get the help you need. I will always step in and prevent it with no second thoughts.

Response by SGT James Murphy made May 30 at 2019 3:43 PM

SGT James Murphy — Thu, 30 May 2019 15:43:11 -0400

As someone who has lost a friend to suicide, I can tell you I wish I could have seen it coming and I certainly would have interfered if I could have. Suicide is a PERMANENT SOLUTION to a TEMPORARY PROBLEM.

Response by CPL Sandra Hall made May 4 at 2021 10:18 PM

CPL Sandra Hall — Tue, 04 May 2021 22:18:44 -0400

Life is precious and a gift. If I could prevent someone from hurting themself I will do it in a heartbeat. Depression is treatable.