Is it true there are now 12 weeks of basic and no HBL for those in Basic Training?

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:15:42 -0400

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 3 at 2016 9:20 PM

SFC George Smith — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:20:01 -0400

not heard any thin about this one...

Response by SGT Damaso V Santana made Nov 3 at 2016 9:20 PM

SGT Damaso V Santana — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:20:11 -0400

What is HBL?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2016 10:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:06:04 -0400

No, not yet but it is something they're trying to get hammered out and implimented. Longer basic will only help though.

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 4 at 2016 12:15 AM

SPC Phil Norton — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 00:15:44 -0400

I don't know but I went through basic during Desert Shield at Ft Dix NJ and we didn't need more than 8 weeks we were told on arrival that because we would all be going to the desert that corporal punishment was in force meaning the DIs could physically correct you as long as they didn't kick knee elbow or hit with a closed fist well let me tell you that a slap that knocks your head gear off hurts and someone grabbing your shoulders and slamming you to your face for push ups sucks doing grass drills after every meal till you puke makes you loose weight quick I never heard of getting leave during basic we weren't worthy of such things basic training was great and who could forget the sleep deprivation and pt every morning in a wet uniform because you had to come to formation with a clean uniform but of course there wasn't enough dryers yea pt doesn't need to be longer it just needs to go back to the basics

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 4 at 2016 12:29 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 00:29:07 -0400

W got liberty to go to town for a couple of hours once near the end of basic. Does that count?

Response by SPC Kenneth Koerperich made Nov 4 at 2016 7:06 AM

SPC Kenneth Koerperich — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 07:06:34 -0400

Your in Basic until you Wash Out, Kicked Out, or Graduate. Military takes no "Holidays". I still
don't & I've been out 20 years. Working 16's again this year again, all 4 days of the Thanksgiving.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Nov 4 at 2016 7:36 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 07:36:55 -0400

PVT Private RallyPoint Member - I'm not going to sit here and give some sort of "back in my day basic was like..." story. Rather, I would like to leave you with this thought. Think of basic training as the military's first time to introduce you to what combat is some what like. There are days you are running around like crazy and others where it seems like they are finding busy work for you to. I personally believe a 12 week BCT program is not a bad thing. During my short 8.5 years in the military, I saw plenty of Service Members get rushed through Basic. Those that needed help on the range seemed to pass anyways and told that they would have more time at their duty station to improve. I think the same can be said about so many other basic level tasks; and then these Service Members found themselves packing up and deploying where their lack of training may have resulted in the injury or death of others.

As far as Holiday Block Leave, do not get yourself to worked up about it. I went through basic in the summer of 1999 and my AIT ended right at the start of the HBL so it wasn't an issue but again, I ask you to think on this. During Basic Training, the Army and the other branches, are breaking you down to build you back up. You come into the military with all the habits you had before joining and while you will leave with some of those same habits, the military needs to change the way you approach issues. I look at it like this. Now that I'm out, I find myself working with civilians, most of whom never served. Sometimes they see an issue and fly off the rails making it worse where I see the problem and try to figure out the best solution while maintaining control because if you fly off the rails in combat, someone dies. Granted in the IT field, the changes of someone dying because of something is seriously reduced, but still possible in the right area, but it is always easier to find solutions with a calmer mind. I think if the military was to give HBL to recruits, they would be setting their work back a lot. How would those weeks count into the course? Would the recruits get credit for those weeks forcing the DIs to pack the training schedule even tighter? You can't put a hold on shipping recruits out around the holiday, that would cause a major back log in the system. So what I will say is, yes it sucks to not be home during the holiday but if you ever get deployed, there are chances of you not going home for the holidays, a birth of a child, or whatever else happens while you stand on the line.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2016 8:52 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 08:52:58 -0400

Not that I'm aware of. The Marine Corps (I believe) have dwindled on their time in boot camp from 13 weeks to 10 (?). Navy has done 7-8 weeks, Army has been 8-10 weeks.

Basic need to have a better transformation from the civilian life to military life; like not having cell phones, lip gloss, etc. Have random rack inspections for those who are hiding crap from cell phones to peanut butter cups. Boot has gotten to PC and very soft on those who can't "hack" it. I think that if someone doesn't want to be apart of what they signed for they need to finish what they started, not get an easy out just because a RDC or DI is being hard on them.

Also get rid of the TTO (Training Time Out) cards unless there's an actual emergency.

HBL......I don't think you get it; it just depends on when you go. It maybe up to your CoC to see if they will grant that; also how long have you been in boot may depend too. I went in the summer, had 4th of July at Great Lakes; treated like any other workday/training.

Response by SSG Tom Pike made Nov 4 at 2016 8:56 AM

SSG Tom Pike — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 08:56:30 -0400

US Army Basic Training is still 10 weeks right now.

http://www.goarmy.com/soldier-life/becoming-a-soldier/basic-combat-training.html

Basic Combat Training

Basic Combat Training will be demanding, but well worth it. During these ten weeks, you'll become physically and mentally stronger and you'll gain the necessary framework of an Army Soldier.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2016 3:40 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 15:40:17 -0400

No.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Nov 7 at 2016 3:33 AM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 03:33:47 -0500

From what I hear, basic at Fort Jackson is easier than breathing.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2016 8:11 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:11:53 -0500

I don't want to come across like a grumpy old retired guy and I do understand that boot camp is probably the first time some recruits have been away from mommy and daddy but it is only 10 weeks! Why are they going home during training? Boot camp builds war fighters...I thought.