Posted on Feb 22, 2018
Is it realistic to believe that a teacher could effectively defend against an active shooter, using an AR-15, armed with only a handgun?
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After the shooting in Florida many people began to say arm the teachers. But they over look that a police officer was there. As a Marine I understand how difficult it is to close on and take an active shooter even with the best training and equipment. During the Dallas shooting 11 police officers was injured and another 6 was killed. Out of all the return fire none actually hit the suspect. Infact the suspect was killed by a remote control robot carrying an explosive. The reason why the suspect wasn't killed by a well aimed handgun shot is because of what we call the fog of war. When the shooting starts panic and confusion set in and the way we deal with it in the military is continually to train for those situations week in and week out. But without a third of the training people are expecting teachers to be able to identify the location of the shooter, know the movement of other armed teachers, know the movement of the innocent students and staff, close on the shooter and fire a well aimed shot without putting any students in further danger. Is that realistic?
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Tired of seeing mental health, gun control, etc as the blame for the increased violence. Guns have almost always been a part of American culture. So what has changed from today to, let's say, 40 years ago? One answer. Us.
Our society, our families, our beliefs, our morality, our etc. Etc. We have changed. We are to blame. Stop throwing a false narrative or diagnosis on it.
We are the problem and always will be. The problem has just gotten worse.
Our society, our families, our beliefs, our morality, our etc. Etc. We have changed. We are to blame. Stop throwing a false narrative or diagnosis on it.
We are the problem and always will be. The problem has just gotten worse.
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TSgt Robert Wayne
I agree! There was a time when they blamed video games claiming they "desensitized" kids. It all in my opinion starts in the home. A loving home with morals teaching right from wrong praising when they do something right and punishment when they do something wrong. Many "shooters" when it comes out in court or the news will talk about how that had a rough childhood.
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All the movies are about the guy getting HIS Justice against the bad guys, bullies or just some enemies by gunning them down. We are failing to teach our youth what it means to be in a society, a democracy when they are young. To work together for the benefit of all is now some socialist, communist liberal bad thing. All the things I was taught in the military, the sacrifice for the people around me in need is considered a weakness. Hell the laziest cop I ever worked with made rank because he kissed ass. He actually went an entire year without writing a report or arrest. A stolen car driver complained he had to cut the marked unit this guy drove to get arrested. We have lost our moral ground when the two candidates were Clinton or Trump. Truly the Kobayashi Maru of a candidate selections.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
CAPT Hiram Patterson - Living in the country, sometimes minutes can be more like hours. Especially in bad weather.
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CAPT Hiram Patterson
PO1 Kevin Dougherty - Yes, definitely and the same for emergency medical services. In many cases houses can be hard to find.
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I would like to believe that I would give it a try, it is better than doing nothing. And if I can save a few children in the process, so be it...
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CPL Joseph Elinger
LT Brad McInnis
There is far too little firearms safety training emphasized & reinforced.
There are far too many accidental shootings.
Just look at the typical news on injuries after each 4th of July alone!
Now, substitute guns for fireworks.
More safety training, at every venue!!!!!!
There is far too little firearms safety training emphasized & reinforced.
There are far too many accidental shootings.
Just look at the typical news on injuries after each 4th of July alone!
Now, substitute guns for fireworks.
More safety training, at every venue!!!!!!
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CPL Joseph Elinger
SSG Victor Barac
The weapon isn't the primary issue.
The effective scenario, safety, & skill training is.
I had a 15 yr old nephew who was robbed @ knife point.
My dad wanted to give him a knife.
I said: No way, it can be used vs him.
Teach him self defense first.
He never needed a knife.
He also enjoyed the sport.
The weapon isn't the primary issue.
The effective scenario, safety, & skill training is.
I had a 15 yr old nephew who was robbed @ knife point.
My dad wanted to give him a knife.
I said: No way, it can be used vs him.
Teach him self defense first.
He never needed a knife.
He also enjoyed the sport.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
TSgt David Whitmore
Unless you've made peace with your Lord.
Then, you just do what you know you should & obey your conscience (the closest thing we have to his voice).
Unless you've made peace with your Lord.
Then, you just do what you know you should & obey your conscience (the closest thing we have to his voice).
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I believe I could, with my minimal training. I make no claim to being a bad-ass. Zip zero zilch. But I am fairly certain I would engage in this instance, and protect my kids. If I can, why couldn't a teacher with training? But ok, say you're right, arming teachers is not the best course. Fine. Arm vets. Stick them in schools to walk the halls. 5 of them in a school like that would give pretty good coverage, and wouldn't strain anyone's budget.
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SPC Terry Pitman I called them a crybaby in the sense that they were appalled or shocked that a teacher and a firearm could complement each other instead of being mutually exclusive. I just get mad when idiots left us Governors like Governor Jerry Brown Band any superintendent to allow any Kermit carrying teacher or faculty to be on campus. This is not a problem in Southern States but it is in California where its advertisers that only law enforcement can carry weapons making schools and easier Target. Like I said, this is a voluntary thing, like I said, I had a major in the Marine Corps Reserves who was my Cadet commander and history / Health teachers in junior high school who could have easily been one of those teachers to carry a sidearm. I'm from California and I'm ashamed how radical this state has become
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
They would likely face the same sort of harassment being seen by LEO in our major cities.
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LTC Ken Connolly
If the civilian government was looking for the cheap and ineffective method, then just have armed guards patrolling the halls. However, what should be done is to utilize the expertise of the best security force in the world, the US Military to provide the city with a sound security plan and budget. Protecting the children is not an inexpensive endeavor nor should it be.
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