https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Long story short, I&#39;m an E-5 in the active duty army component. I&#39;m seeing someone who is an E-3 in the reserves, BUT the relationship was pre-existing prior to SM enlistment and we do not work within the same organization. Is this considered fraternization according to the updated AR 600-20, This was the only thing I could pull up in relation to.<br /><br />AR 600-20, 4-14 c. (2)\ (d) fraternization rules do not apply to:<br /><br />(d) Personal relationships between members of the RA and members of the National Guard or Army Reserve when the relationship primarily exists due to civilian association and the RC member is not on AD (other than AT), on FTNGD (other than AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.&quot;<br /><br />TIA! Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:44:56 -0500 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Long story short, I&#39;m an E-5 in the active duty army component. I&#39;m seeing someone who is an E-3 in the reserves, BUT the relationship was pre-existing prior to SM enlistment and we do not work within the same organization. Is this considered fraternization according to the updated AR 600-20, This was the only thing I could pull up in relation to.<br /><br />AR 600-20, 4-14 c. (2)\ (d) fraternization rules do not apply to:<br /><br />(d) Personal relationships between members of the RA and members of the National Guard or Army Reserve when the relationship primarily exists due to civilian association and the RC member is not on AD (other than AT), on FTNGD (other than AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.&quot;<br /><br />TIA! SSG Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:44:56 -0500 2017-12-30T19:44:56-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining?n=3212801&urlhash=3212801 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sounds fine to me. You&#39;re not in a position of authority over the Soldier, you&#39;re in separate units not to mention separate Components. I would check with Legal to be 100% though. Something I would bring up in the questioning is if she ends up on the Reserve equivalent of FTNGD or as a Tech would you be allowed to continue your relationship due to the way section (d) is worded. SPC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:09:35 -0500 2017-12-31T02:09:35-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining?n=3214989&urlhash=3214989 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Talk to your JAG officer MSG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 31 Dec 2017 21:17:12 -0500 2017-12-31T21:17:12-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining?n=3267598&urlhash=3267598 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Reserves are not subject to UCMJ while not at drill. You are fine Capt Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:30:57 -0500 2018-01-17T19:30:57-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-considered-fraternization-for-an-ad-e-5-and-a-reserve-e-3-to-be-in-a-relationship-that-pre-dates-the-e-3-joining?n=8661489&urlhash=8661489 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Are you in the same unit? Probably not, so no one cares. It only matters if there is a leadership, subordinate relationship. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:52:12 -0500 2024-02-13T09:52:12-05:00 2017-12-30T19:44:56-05:00