Is it against the UCMJ to become a member of the Oathkeepers?

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:31:38 -0500

http://www.oathkeepers.org

I'm looking to see where people, my fellow service members, stand on this issue. Especially Active Duty personnel.

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- Oath Keepers Saddle Up For Midnight Ride An open letter from your friendly editor – The American national consciousness

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2014 7:41 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:41:35 -0500

SGT Jachim, why would it be? Are they subversive to the Constitution or Patriotic?

Response by SFC Melker Johansson made Nov 13 at 2014 8:38 AM

SFC Melker Johansson — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:38:28 -0500

I don't see how membership would violate the UCMJ. That said, I personally think that Oathkeepers are a little "tin foil hat-ish".

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2014 9:12 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:12:40 -0500

I don't support any group that makes up it's own tab lol. Jus sayin ;) haha

But seriously I do wonder where folks get the time and energy to put into something so far reaching. I'm all for liberty and constitutional rights I just don't need to join a group to do it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2014 7:23 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 07:23:40 -0500

Here's the list:
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Response by SGT James Elphick made Nov 18 at 2014 1:25 PM

SGT James Elphick — Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:25:56 -0500

Kind of seems like a pointless group to me. As a servicemember we should all know that being asked to do any of those things is unlawful under either the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Posse Comitatus Act. But if joining a group to remind yourself of that is what you need I don't think there will be an issue under UCMJ

Response by SSgt Mike Conway made Sep 21 at 2020 11:22 PM

SSgt Mike Conway — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:22:07 -0400

I had a longer reply but decided against that. That you are asking the question shows that you are not sure of this group. Personally, I would steer clear of them as I find some of there declarations to be questionable. I do not question the research that went into what they are telling you but rather that they may not be telling the full story. The military has been used in the past to preserve the Union and that is a precedent that has been set. We are not treading any new grounds today that were not walked my our forefathers. We just need to tread carefully...