Is discipline lacking in our Special Forces, and Navy SEAL teams?

PO1 Robert Wikert — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:40:09 -0400

SEAL teams are without a doubt world class warriors, but have they gone to far away from the military bearing necessary for a cohesive military unit to accomplish there jobs. As witnessed by the Gallagher trial. Is unit loyalty being put above common sense and even lawful behavior? Murder is murder, war is war, there should be a dark line between the two, not a gray area. I wanted to ad this so that anyone involved in this discussion understands that I don't have anything against our brave brothers in the SpecCom community...https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= [login to see] 039&set=a [login to see] 020&type=3&hc_ref=ARQ_gy-128jiKW7I0_o2VjFmc_TdkORK-TuglVkCQj6ddSuDFEIHccHrUjiFmltmq1c&fref=gs&dti= [login to see] 23230&hc_location=group

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Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Aug 31 at 2019 5:45 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:45:00 -0400

PO1 Robert Wikert Didn’t you read the Admiral’s statement?

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Aug 31 at 2019 6:42 PM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:42:16 -0400

I think the entire Navy leadership needs to be re-trained on the basics. Seems like every day I read Navy Times and somebody in a leadership position is getting shit canned.

Response by CSM Michael Chavaree made Aug 31 at 2019 7:47 PM

CSM Michael Chavaree — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 19:47:39 -0400

It is a lot more complicated than just that. In my opinion we recruit a certain type of person to do a very specific thing with little to no input. Sometimes those things are very violent and aggressive. Lets not be too quick to pass judgement on warriors that have been asked to do things the common Soldier would or could not do, then wonder why they drifted off course. I am not condoning any actions, but I can see a clear connection between the lifestyle and bad decisions.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Aug 31 at 2019 9:23 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:23:41 -0400

PO1 Robert Wikert Easy question.

Why do ‘we’ never hear of the Army’s Delta Force?

NOTHING?

Are they now the big boys in the U S Military?

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Aug 31 at 2019 10:00 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:00:18 -0400

Someone fires at my family I will cut their neck

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Aug 31 at 2019 10:25 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:25:58 -0400

PO1 Robert Wikert Damn Good Question at this Point PH1!

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Sep 28 at 2019 4:37 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:37:39 -0400

Not to muddy the waters, but I think a large part of it also has to do with mission ambiguity, which also comes down to leadership. Tell these top notch operators what you want them to do, and let them go do it.

I learned WAY back when that what a leader absolutely positively MUST provide as part of a mission statement is three things: Mission (take the hill); intent (to provide overwatch for future operations); and limitations (must approach during times of darkness, do not approach from South side, do not utilize indirect fire). If a mission statement is lacking or unclear in ANY of these three elements, the subordinate unit will be forced to improvise. Any success in that scenario is despite the leader, and any failure is because of him/her.

Too often, lately, our Troops have been sent out without clear missions, and then we wonder why they can't figure out what "right" looks like.