Is anyone's Commander balking at the new rolled sleeves policy? If so, do you know why?

SSG Roderick Smith — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:51:09 -0400

Is anyone's Commander balking at our newest uniform wear possibility? If so, do you know why?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 8:16 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:16:27 -0400

Our BN is in that boat, but until an LPD is done on how to properly roll the sleeves.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Jun 30 at 2016 9:06 AM

MGySgt James Forward — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:06:00 -0400

Rolling your sleeves is not rocket science... now the Army needs proper sleeves that can be rolled, to tight and looks like most soldiers wear the wrong size. Semper Fi.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Jun 30 at 2016 9:17 AM

MGySgt James Forward — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:17:55 -0400

It has been approved Army wide. http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/06/29/weve-got-answers-soldiers-most-pressing-sleeve-rolling-questions/86524584/

We've got answers to soldiers' most pressing sleeve-rolling questions

You've got many questions about sleeve-rolling, and we've got most of the answers.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Jun 30 at 2016 9:30 AM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:30:21 -0400

Maybe because the way shown in your picture isn't the way it's authorized.

Everyone will be doing it differently.

And most Privates and frankly Captains haven't been in the Army long enough to remember how to do it the way shown in your picture.

If it can't be done right, it shouldn't be done.

And I almost forgot.

Either everyone does it right, or nobody does it.

I would flip my lid if I saw a formation with it mixed. I'd immediately make everyone roll them down.

Edited to tell you I am wrong about the picture... LOL. I'm happy I'm retired.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/316993199/Army-memo

Army memo

Rolled sleeves

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:31 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:31:50 -0400

Commanders are afraid to make any decisions that may result in a sideways look from their boss. Commanders will wait until commanders all the way up the chain make a policy and then copy that policy so their priorities are "nested" with higher. It's pretty funny that the Army already had a policy on this subject and it wouldn't be that hard to dust it off. From April until September you could wear jungle boots and roll your sleeves. Yep it was that simple.

Here at Fort Stewart, 3 ID we are waiting for the 18th Airborne Corps Commander to tell us if it's alright to roll our sleeves. It just kills me how afraid leaders are these days. If I'm not in formation why can't I have my sleeves rolled? Uniformity when I am conducting my daily business is irrelevant. Now, if 1SG says sleeves are down in formation well, I just pull them down and go to formation. It's not rocket science.

Oh, and on another note, we are conducting pay day activities on Friday and the uniform is Class B with short sleeve shirt...because it's hot. Unbelievable!

Response by MAJ Daniel Buchholz made Jun 30 at 2016 9:47 AM

MAJ Daniel Buchholz — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:47:53 -0400

I am a Company Commander. I will be showing up with rolled sleeves at my next IDT. In the absence of higher policy/direction I am making the call that it is ok for my people until told otherwise. (in particular since this won't be an outdoor drill... I do admit to not liking the short sleeves in direct sunlight... then I (aka my NCO's) have to trust/verify the Soldier's have applied sunscreen.. sleeves down means I don't have to have that checked)

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jun 30 at 2016 11:03 AM

SFC Pete Kain — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:03:37 -0400

Why all the worry over sunscreen? Do you think people wear long sleeves off duty? SMH

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 1:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:28:19 -0400

The entire Illinois National Guard has been told, "NO GO." Took less than a day for the Adjutant General to shut it down.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jun 30 at 2016 3:08 PM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:08:26 -0400

When you get the Commander, or any leader for that matter, that balks or talks down the new policy....pull them to the side and remind their whining ass that they are setting the example for the formation they lead! If they cant get sleeves right without bitching and complaining, they might ought to look for something less arduous to do than pick up a dang rifle and defend our way of life!

Response by SFC Ce Ferguson made Jun 30 at 2016 6:09 PM

SFC Ce Ferguson — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:09:53 -0400

Didn't seem to be an issue in the black boot Army days.

Response by SSG James Elmore made Jun 30 at 2016 10:00 PM

SSG James Elmore — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:00:28 -0400

The day the memo came out saying we could Fort Sill command put out that they will not authorize us to do it!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 9:54 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 09:54:14 -0400

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 1:18 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:18:00 -0400

A ton of Commands are saying no go to pulling up the sleeves. Policy states it's the commanders call. If a commander is balking at this, it's because they are authorized to

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 2:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:23:25 -0400

Mine is chewing the bit left, right and sideways over this. But I can understand why:
Privates.
In TRADOC land, we don't like change. We prefer to stick to familiar doctrine and behaviors. So the Command Teams are not exactly loving the idea of changing the way we wear the uniform, when we are going to then have to spend countless hours teaching, correcting, re-teaching and then correcting again, when the Privates screw up even this simple task.