SPC Margaret Higgins 900110 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> 2015-08-18T18:15:12-04:00 SPC Margaret Higgins 900110

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2015-08-18T18:15:12-04:00 2015-08-18T18:15:12-04:00 SSgt Private RallyPoint Member 900128

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>An E-4 is technically not an NCO. They may perform some duties of junior NCOs, but they are not. Just as SrA may perform some junior NCO duties, but are not NCOs.

2015-08-18T18:21:02-04:00 2015-08-18T18:21:02-04:00 Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS 900142

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Depends on what type of recruiter you talked to. In the Naval Services, E4+ are NCOs. In the Air Force it's E5+. In the Army, you have the SPC/CPL divide at E4 which creates confusion.

2015-08-18T18:24:36-04:00 2015-08-18T18:24:36-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 900173

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC E-4 is not a NCO. CPL E-4 is. CPL&#39;s are laterally appointed based on duty position. For an E-4 to be considered an NCO in the US Army they must be CPL. AR 600-200

2015-08-18T18:36:40-04:00 2015-08-18T18:36:40-04:00 SGT Lawrence Corser 900268

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not one.

2015-08-18T19:13:58-04:00 2015-08-18T19:13:58-04:00 CDR Laurel Meadows 900333

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>E-4 in the Navy is an NCO, as is an E-5 or E-6. I don't know about other services. 

2015-08-18T19:42:51-04:00 2015-08-18T19:42:51-04:00 CDR Laurel Meadows 900334

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>E-4 in the Navy is an NCO, as is an E-5 or E-6. I don't know about other services. 

2015-08-18T19:43:07-04:00 2015-08-18T19:43:07-04:00 WO1 Private RallyPoint Member 900363

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Specialist is not an NCO.

2015-08-18T19:55:26-04:00 2015-08-18T19:55:26-04:00 SFC(P) Jonathan P. 900366

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In the army E/4 are specialist and corporal: SPC being a lower enlisted and CPL being a junior NCO with the pay of a specialist but the responsibilities of a SGT. The difference is determined by the individual carrying the rank and how he or she conducts them selves as either soldiers or leadership characteristics.

2015-08-18T19:56:43-04:00 2015-08-18T19:56:43-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 900372

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Army E4 spc is non nco... and E4 corporal is a nco

2015-08-18T19:58:08-04:00 2015-08-18T19:58:08-04:00 SPC Bill Earley 900376

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>E5 and above but not E1-4.

2015-08-18T20:00:56-04:00 2015-08-18T20:00:56-04:00 SPC Brandon Wilson 900377

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>An NCO is E5 or above, however an E4 (Corporal) is considered an NCO at times when instructed to lead as an NCO or a SuBject Matter Expert (SME).

2015-08-18T20:01:39-04:00 2015-08-18T20:01:39-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 900388

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. Corporals are junior NCS though.

2015-08-18T20:04:42-04:00 2015-08-18T20:04:42-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 900400

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A SPC is nooooooo NCO. A CPL is definitely is. A SPC can do NCO stuff but you are not an NCO. I do NCO stuff all the time.

2015-08-18T20:09:19-04:00 2015-08-18T20:09:19-04:00 SSG Eddye Royal 900437

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I became a TRAINING NCO 1 because I was in my NG UNIT before becoming active at HHB 1-5 FA and handing all the day to day operations. I also met met with the Battalion Cbr of 1-5 and CMR for their Approval or By off, you don't won't someone they didn't approve. No one else had been in this job more than 90 days. I hope this helps. You can also view my fb page.

2015-08-18T20:22:13-04:00 2015-08-18T20:22:13-04:00 SPC David Young 900464

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, SPC/E-4 isn't an NCO &amp; that's just the way it is. I held NCO positions in the past for brief periods of time and was treated as an NCO but that doesn't change the fact.

2015-08-18T20:35:51-04:00 2015-08-18T20:35:51-04:00 SPC Joseph Jones 900474

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If they are in the Army, Spc can serve as team leaders how ever corporals are considered NCO's. And second note E-4 is a pay grade not a proper rank.

2015-08-18T20:39:03-04:00 2015-08-18T20:39:03-04:00 SPC Scott Pickard 900514

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MSG Rader said it correctly. An E4 is eligible to be a CPL if they are in a leadership position (team leader/squad leader) and they have completed a PLDC or equivalent course. At least that's how it was when I was in!

2015-08-18T20:53:45-04:00 2015-08-18T20:53:45-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 900554

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A SPC/E-4 is not an NCO. If that same SPC is in a leadership position, his/her CO can submit the request to have him/her "promoted" to CPL, which would make him/her an NCO. They are the same pay grade, E-4, but The rank of Corporal indicates greater responsibility, and is a rank of leadership, unlike the rank of Specialist.

2015-08-18T21:02:50-04:00 2015-08-18T21:02:50-04:00 SPC Margaret Higgins 900620

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am seriously crying, because I thought that I was a non-commissioned officer; all along. I guess not. The Army, the military mean the world to me.

2015-08-18T21:26:12-04:00 2015-08-18T21:26:12-04:00 COL Charles Williams 900630

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That is a CSM question, but unless they are Corporal, in the Army, they are not. Specialists are not NCOs.

2015-08-18T21:27:38-04:00 2015-08-18T21:27:38-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 901015

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As many have stated an E-4/Specialist is not an NCO. If you talking to any other branch then yes it is. In the Air Force, Marines, and the Navy their E-4's are NCOs. The Army has CPLs that are NCOs but they are rare.

2015-08-19T00:07:19-04:00 2015-08-19T00:07:19-04:00 PFC Tuan Trang 901073

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Spc to me is bot consider as an nco, once the unit have an open spot and it time for you to promote to coporal, then you can call yourself nco.

2015-08-19T00:34:39-04:00 2015-08-19T00:34:39-04:00 SFC Joseph Weber 901075

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nope. Full Bird Private.

2015-08-19T00:35:28-04:00 2015-08-19T00:35:28-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 901170

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Back in the day (speaking about the Army here, as you specifically state "SPC"), there were "hard stripes (NCOs) and Specialists. They could be any grade between E-4 and E-7. SP4, SP5, etc were advanced due to their technical skill, and paid accordingly. But they did not have the authorities of an NCO - SGT, SSG, etc. There still is a SPC (SP4) and a Corporal in the Army. CPLs are not terribly common anymore, as they need to be a Team Leader to be laterally appointed to that rank, but they are still out there and are considered NCOs.

2015-08-19T01:27:39-04:00 2015-08-19T01:27:39-04:00 CPT Russell Pitre 901184

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Isn't this something Wikipedia could answer?

2015-08-19T01:44:04-04:00 2015-08-19T01:44:04-04:00 SGM Steve Wettstein 901314

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A Specialist is not an NCO. Now if they would get laterally promoted to Corporal then they would be an NCO.

2015-08-19T06:40:59-04:00 2015-08-19T06:40:59-04:00 SSgt Alex Robinson 901453

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="608177" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/608177-spc-margaret-higgins">SPC Margaret Higgins</a> I would believe so. In the Air Force a sergeant is an E4

2015-08-19T08:11:44-04:00 2015-08-19T08:11:44-04:00 SPC Ken Harper 901576

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Back in the mid-late 80s, when I was a SP4 at the MP Co in Germany, we were not considered NCOs. I started asking some questions about why we didn't have any CPLs in the Co. and got things "bubbling" on that and about a month after I ETS, my roommate was made CPL, along with a couple others in the Co. The "hard stripes" were considered NCOs but the SPCs weren't, even tho' both are E4. It never did make sense to me and still doesn't. Unless you've got time in grade, you don't outrank another E4. Never did understand how one rate could be full of SPCs and others only have CPLs. Like the other comment made about the CSM, yep, we had 'em.

2015-08-19T09:49:21-04:00 2015-08-19T09:49:21-04:00 SPC Kimberley Kerr 902960

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Spc4 are considered junior NCOs I believe

2015-08-19T16:48:14-04:00 2015-08-19T16:48:14-04:00 SPC David S. 903386

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC E-4 is a not an NCO. CPL ,which is an E-4 as well, is a NCO. It's a lateral promotion.

2015-08-19T19:39:15-04:00 2015-08-19T19:39:15-04:00 SSG Toryn Green 903865

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. A CPL/E-4 on the other hand IS an NCO. That is why the CPL rank exists.

2015-08-19T23:12:18-04:00 2015-08-19T23:12:18-04:00 SPC James Evans 904093

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No a SP4 is not a NCO. Hard stripe E5 or Buck Sergeant starts the NCO rank rating.<br />The S = Specialist so a SP5 or SP4 is still not a NCO. Also E6 is a Sergeant First Class.

2015-08-20T01:59:42-04:00 2015-08-20T01:59:42-04:00 SGT Frank Leonardo 904181

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO CPL is a NCO in the Army

2015-08-20T03:47:36-04:00 2015-08-20T03:47:36-04:00 SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 904381

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Easy way to know for the army is if you have 2 or more chevrons for rank you are a NCO.

2015-08-20T08:17:33-04:00 2015-08-20T08:17:33-04:00 MAJ Anthony Henderson 904397

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A SPC is not a NCO. A Corporal is a NCO. They both share the pay grade of E-4.

2015-08-20T08:26:53-04:00 2015-08-20T08:26:53-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 904648

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I consider an E4 a Jr nco....that is, depending on the soldiers capabilities, experience on subject and ridership skills.

2015-08-20T10:21:22-04:00 2015-08-20T10:21:22-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 906158

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No way. I might of done leadership roles but I never considered myself an NCO. Corporal would be the closest to that, but then again Corporal is probably the worst rank to ever have. Where your not quite an NCO but also not like the other E4s either. Just a rock stuck in a hard place. Short Answer, No. WLC is needed for that.

2015-08-20T18:38:44-04:00 2015-08-20T18:38:44-04:00 SPC Jose Guevara 907311

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a Specialist in the Army you have a responsibility to lead by example to your subordinates, by no means are you an NCO but you better beilive when a Private comes to the Company he looks towards the Spc to see what he can and cannot do. Am i right or wrong?

2015-08-21T06:38:19-04:00 2015-08-21T06:38:19-04:00 CPT Russell Pitre 909922

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How is this still a question. How many times can you say no. I guess the 72nd time wasn't enough.

2015-08-22T00:01:35-04:00 2015-08-22T00:01:35-04:00 SPC Chris Early 910783

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>i have held an NCO position but your still an enlisted, once you get your e-5 your an NCO

2015-08-22T15:09:31-04:00 2015-08-22T15:09:31-04:00 SPC William Weedman 918214

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you want to watch a corporal's eyes bug out, remind him that you both get paid the same...I served with a corporal on AD who was supply (how does a supply guy get corporal???) and reminded every Specialist in the unit he was an NCO and held "rank" over them. My friend who wasn't really impressed (neither was I but I was a lowly PFC at the time) when he played this game would remind him that their paychecks were the same. Needless to say this corporal looked for any chance to make our lives miserable. I was fortunate that my roommate was also in supply so when everything was "backordered" when I requested it, my roomie would hook me up.

2015-08-25T21:18:36-04:00 2015-08-25T21:18:36-04:00 SPC David Comstock 924797

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No E-4 is not an NCO if you have corpal you could be recognized as one but not the sheild

2015-08-28T13:16:16-04:00 2015-08-28T13:16:16-04:00 SGT Dave Tracy 925534

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A Specialist is NOT an NCO.<br /><br />A Specialist may be put into a leadership position, and they need to conduct themselves appropriately, but that an NCO does not make. I was in a unit once that tried to make Specialists into pseudo-NCOs (and I was a SPC at the time) and it was ridiculous and we all hated it. We knew it wasn't right, and we only played the game when leadership was around to watch.<br /><br />A Specialist is no NCO...they may have the greatest rank in the Army though; and if (ahem...) there were such a thing as an E4 Mafia, Specialists would truly be the shadowy force truly running the Army. <br /><br />E4 Mafia, what E4 Mafia? ;-)

2015-08-28T18:50:52-04:00 2015-08-28T18:50:52-04:00 SPC Donald Green 930297

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It depends on the slot and the role that the troop in question fills. If they are in a team leader or section head position then yes they are an NCO if they are slotted lower then no they are just another enlisted soldier. But do keep in mind rank is rank and should always be respected.

2015-08-31T13:35:58-04:00 2015-08-31T13:35:58-04:00 SPC Eddie Espejo 930849

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>absolutely not. more like an nco in training and subject to get smoked at anytime lol by the same token ive seen E-4s so squared away that they act exactly like an nco and just waiting for the school. its kinda like an nco is not like command segeant major unless the guy got audie murphy weighing down his uniform lol !! j/k. feels good to talk like this and not get smoked lol HOOAH

2015-08-31T18:02:12-04:00 2015-08-31T18:02:12-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 930986

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This question has been answered, although CPL and SPC are at the same level, this is a lateral promotion, CPL can fulfill the duties of an NCO and has the right authority

2015-08-31T19:41:05-04:00 2015-08-31T19:41:05-04:00 SPC Jim Silveira 930993

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was a PAC clerk in the 80's as a secondary. The answer is as follows-<br /><br />A CPL is an NCO, and has to be laterally appointed, and also in a leadership role. I can agree that the PLDC aspect certainly cements the lateral appointment.

2015-08-31T19:44:46-04:00 2015-08-31T19:44:46-04:00 2LT Private RallyPoint Member 931009

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>E-4 mafia alive and well, were not NCO's, we hide from them, and solve problems in an unofficial capacity, and we maintain plausible deniability.

2015-08-31T19:58:11-04:00 2015-08-31T19:58:11-04:00 CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member 931252

<div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-57987"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fis-a-spc-e-4-considered-an-nco-i-have-received-two-different-answers-can-anyone-clarify%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Is+a+SPC%2FE-4+considered+an+NCO%3F+I+have+received+two+different+answers.+Can+anyone+clarify%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fis-a-spc-e-4-considered-an-nco-i-have-received-two-different-answers-can-anyone-clarify&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AIs a SPC/E-4 considered an NCO? I have received two different answers. Can anyone clarify?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-a-spc-e-4-considered-an-nco-i-have-received-two-different-answers-can-anyone-clarify" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="1af81821134acc053583c18bb3f60965" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/057/987/for_gallery_v2/30a8d22e.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/057/987/large_v3/30a8d22e.jpg" alt="30a8d22e" /></a></div></div>The citation says it all.

2015-08-31T22:16:55-04:00 2015-08-31T22:16:55-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 931391

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>For those who don't understand, a SPC is not an NCO, as been told by others. Yet a Corporal is an NCO, and according to rules and regulations can rightfully perform all NCO duties. In the Navy a Petty Officer, even a 3rd class is also considered a NCO therefore "Petty Officer" title. In the Marines, although somewhat a different and yet similar Army structure, once they are Corporal, they are considered NCO, or at least that has been my experience while I was attached to a Marine unit when during my service with the Navy as a HM3.

2015-08-31T23:42:34-04:00 2015-08-31T23:42:34-04:00 SGT Vernard Jackson 931397

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, an E-4 is only an NCO if they are a corporal which has 2 strips

2015-08-31T23:45:03-04:00 2015-08-31T23:45:03-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 931758

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. An NCO is a Sergeant or above.

2015-09-01T08:38:01-04:00 2015-09-01T08:38:01-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 934364

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC/E4 is not.

2015-09-02T08:01:00-04:00 2015-09-02T08:01:00-04:00 SPC Ryan Godles 935168

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not at all.

2015-09-02T13:20:17-04:00 2015-09-02T13:20:17-04:00 SPC Gregory Wagner 936426

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, the corporal is considered the first rung of being an NCO.

2015-09-02T22:03:23-04:00 2015-09-02T22:03:23-04:00 SGT Bryon Sergent 937343

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>None of the Specialist ranks where considered an NCO to my knowledge. I do know that an CPL/E-4 is. So if a recruiter is telling someone that it is then they need to visit the regs again. Now that is in the army. I do not know if there are E-4 NCO's in the Air Force. Far as that goes what are Petty officers? Are they NCO's?<br />Now with that being said, the Spc 4/E-4 in a team leader position has the authority of an NCO because of there duty position. It would be as a team leader E-5 telling the team to do something. They may be relating that and confusing the rank and the position.

2015-09-03T10:24:54-04:00 2015-09-03T10:24:54-04:00 SPC Donald Moore 955598

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="60766" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/60766-42a-human-resources-specialist-detroit-meps-6th-meps-bn">1SG Private RallyPoint Member</a> has given the absolute answer already. This is not a matter of opinion. It is clearly spelled out in regulations. There are MANY, very many people that are misinformed.

2015-09-10T11:48:37-04:00 2015-09-10T11:48:37-04:00 SPC Chance Chappell 967833

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only if you are laterally promoted to Corporal

2015-09-15T17:02:23-04:00 2015-09-15T17:02:23-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 984431

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC is an enlisted E4. CPL is an NCO.

2015-09-22T12:35:05-04:00 2015-09-22T12:35:05-04:00 SPC Robert Chitwood 1022484

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPC/E-4 is not a NCO. But a corpral/ E-4 is considered a. junoir NCO<br />That's why you get two different answers

2015-10-07T00:10:36-04:00 2015-10-07T00:10:36-04:00 SSG Eddie “JD” Brown 1057844

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They can be in an NCO position as section chief but I do not believe unless their has been a change that they are an NCO less they have gone to school for said rank

2015-10-22T10:43:49-04:00 2015-10-22T10:43:49-04:00 SPC Robert Willis 1096350

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The short answer is, no! A specialist E-4 is not an NCO!

2015-11-09T00:20:25-05:00 2015-11-09T00:20:25-05:00 SPC Gregory Frye 2292908

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, E4 is Enlisted and E5 is a NCO

2017-01-29T08:10:18-05:00 2017-01-29T08:10:18-05:00 CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member 2306444

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A Specialist/E4 is not a non-commissioned officer (NCO); however a Corporal/E4 is. Today, a corporal shares the same pay grade as a specialist, but is a junior NCO and takes on the responsibilities of a leadership position. <br /><br />A corporal in the U.S. Army is above specialist and below and is most commonly found in combat arms units and often leads a fire team. <br /><br />A corporal&#39;s roles and responsibilities include the completion of missions and the care of Soldiers.

2017-02-02T12:37:27-05:00 2017-02-02T12:37:27-05:00 2015-08-18T18:15:12-04:00