https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/instead-of-converting-all-of-our-schools-training-experience-into-degrees-the-civlian-sector-should-convert-their-qualification-requ <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Like a recent post.."Should graduates of the USASMA receive a degree?"  I ask what is more valuable, a 24 year old graduate with a MBA and zero experience or a CSM who's managed hundreds to thousands of people and millions of dollars in assets?</p><p>Another example is to do the exact same job that I currently do as a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, I need a masters degree to do the civilian equivalent that works here in the hospital with me and he's a GS13.  We do the exact same thing.  Once I get out of the Army all of a sudden I dont qualify.</p><p>I think we put way too much emphasis on that peice of paper as opposed to putting the best "qualified" folks in the positions.</p><p>Go onto USA Jobs and take a look at the requirements.  You will see MANY jobs that are military jobs that some SSG is doing somehwere else, but to do it as a GS employee you need a degree in this or that.  I think it's a conspiracy.</p> Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:34:43 -0500 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/instead-of-converting-all-of-our-schools-training-experience-into-degrees-the-civlian-sector-should-convert-their-qualification-requ <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Like a recent post.."Should graduates of the USASMA receive a degree?"  I ask what is more valuable, a 24 year old graduate with a MBA and zero experience or a CSM who's managed hundreds to thousands of people and millions of dollars in assets?</p><p>Another example is to do the exact same job that I currently do as a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, I need a masters degree to do the civilian equivalent that works here in the hospital with me and he's a GS13.  We do the exact same thing.  Once I get out of the Army all of a sudden I dont qualify.</p><p>I think we put way too much emphasis on that peice of paper as opposed to putting the best "qualified" folks in the positions.</p><p>Go onto USA Jobs and take a look at the requirements.  You will see MANY jobs that are military jobs that some SSG is doing somehwere else, but to do it as a GS employee you need a degree in this or that.  I think it's a conspiracy.</p> SSG Robert Burns Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:34:43 -0500 2014-01-03T15:34:43-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/instead-of-converting-all-of-our-schools-training-experience-into-degrees-the-civlian-sector-should-convert-their-qualification-requ?n=31966&urlhash=31966 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That is an issue I have been talking about for years even before I retired. I started looking for and applying for positions that I knew were closing somewhere around my actual transition date, but was not being considered for any because I didn't have the degree. SFC James Baber Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:37:07 -0500 2014-01-03T15:37:07-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/instead-of-converting-all-of-our-schools-training-experience-into-degrees-the-civlian-sector-should-convert-their-qualification-requ?n=31969&urlhash=31969 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>The other issue for many of the GS jobs as well you need to have at least a year experience at the next lower grade or equivalent, and I have been told on many that military experience doing the same job many times doesn't count as have 52 weeks in the previous grade.</p><p><br></p><p>It all goes back many times to who you know to get your foot in the door.</p> SFC James Baber Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:40:52 -0500 2014-01-03T15:40:52-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/instead-of-converting-all-of-our-schools-training-experience-into-degrees-the-civlian-sector-should-convert-their-qualification-requ?n=32023&urlhash=32023 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Short answer is yes.  I know some people with MBA's that couldn't manage a lemonade stand.<br> MAJ Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:12:21 -0500 2014-01-03T17:12:21-05:00 2014-01-03T15:34:43-05:00