Posted on Nov 26, 2017
In what order would you prescribe young service members conduct certain career progressing activities?
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As far as controllable opportunities for advancement go, young service members can conduct military education (i.e. SSDs or correspondence courses), professional schools (airborne, air assault, etc), and civilian education (associate's, bachelor's, etc). In what order would you advise young service members to perform these various activities in order to set them up for success?
Posted 7 y ago
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Always work on civilian education while knocking your SSDs and NCOES out simultaneously. Degree's take the longest so you should always be pursuing those regardless of what else you have going on.
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One thing I have seen people do is to forget their number one priority. That is do you job and do it well. Even do a little extra if possible.
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SSgt Gary Andrews
Agreed. Strive to excel in your current job assignment.......and good opportunities will start coming your way. That has to be the base from which you operate if you want to succeed.
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Capt (Join to see)
SSgt Gary Andrews - We had a young man who wanted to get into a management role. He seemed to be qualified and could not understand why it was not happening. It was not happening because he felt the job he was in was beneath him and he did not perform well.
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SSgt Gary Andrews
In my civilian career......I often saw people who expected promotions based on how long they had been there. They found out the hard way that it mattered more how you spent your time, not how long you sat around doing as little as possible.
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MSgt John McGowan
Capt Porter Sir I agree with you. That is one of the first things people will notice. Get noticed and the rest will fall into place as time permits.
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The DA PAM 600-3 is the commissioned Officer Development Guide. Each branch has a career map that lays out windows for certain experiences and career gates. In between those you can plug in between them education and training gals and start laying out a 5 year plan. As an example, the Logistics Officer Map is on p374.
DA PAM 600-25 is the Non Commissioned Officer Professional Development Guide. It is less graphical, but it lays out professional development by CMF, MOS and rank, including PME, schools, and SSD. Page 95 is the start of CMF 19 as An example.
Once you have the doctrinal template, you apply your situation to it. Officers routinely have to build a "baseball card" with this information and integrate their family's goals and situation along your time line. You use this to sit down with your rater, senior rater, or mentor and figure out the way ahead.
DA PAM 600-25 is the Non Commissioned Officer Professional Development Guide. It is less graphical, but it lays out professional development by CMF, MOS and rank, including PME, schools, and SSD. Page 95 is the start of CMF 19 as An example.
Once you have the doctrinal template, you apply your situation to it. Officers routinely have to build a "baseball card" with this information and integrate their family's goals and situation along your time line. You use this to sit down with your rater, senior rater, or mentor and figure out the way ahead.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SGT Joseph Gunderson - I think the difference between officers and NCOs in this area is that 10 level soldiers do t think about this type of thing, they might not be sold on the Army yet. On the officer side, there are discernable legs of the career you focus on. As a LT it is leading a Platoon successfully, getting to Captain, and going to the advanced course. From there it is Company Command. Success as a Company Commander will be a harbinger of your odds for Major. You may have time left over for a nominative assignement, masters, or a cool guy job. Once you are a Major, it is trying to figure out how to get ILE (1yr) and two KD jobs (2yrs) jammed into 5 years before you get boarded for LTC and BN Command. Once you clear that hurdle it is successful BN Command, maybe a nominative job before the SSC and O6 boards.
I imagine each NCO rank presents similar challenges, but I think your first duty station is a phase, especially if it is CONUS. The next phase is your progress to Sergeant and WLC. Then ALC and SSG. Marks the end of points based promotion and the state change to central promotions. The next phase might be to SFC and SLC. The next phase might be to Master Sergeant/First Sergeant. Then it is the Sergeants Major Academy selection. I would say attending the USASMA is a phase by it self. From there it is the CSM/SGM selection board.
I imagine each NCO rank presents similar challenges, but I think your first duty station is a phase, especially if it is CONUS. The next phase is your progress to Sergeant and WLC. Then ALC and SSG. Marks the end of points based promotion and the state change to central promotions. The next phase might be to SFC and SLC. The next phase might be to Master Sergeant/First Sergeant. Then it is the Sergeants Major Academy selection. I would say attending the USASMA is a phase by it self. From there it is the CSM/SGM selection board.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
LTC Jason Mackay - I think that it also has something to do with the level of mentoring that enlisted soldiers actually get. Almost everything that I learned about the bigger picture of the military or what I needed in order to get ahead in my career I had to seek out and learn about by myself. I think that, because of the way our promotions work, enlisted soldiers are far more focused on their own progression.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SGT Joseph Gunderson - you are your own best career manager. I think as a junior soldier you may have to initiate a conversation with a senior NCO to let them know your intentions. Once that happens, I think mentorship will come a little more frequently.
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LTC Jason Mackay
COL Robert Grierson - agree Sir. Not sure the NCO ranks have the flexibility for nominative/broadening type assignment without risking the critical career development gates for either PME or key and developmental duty positions (SQD, NCOIC, section Chief, PSG, 1SG, Drill Sergeant, Recruiting, enlisted aide)....but that's the point of the card drill, do you have enough time without jamming yourself up.
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