SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5534884 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been told by numerous SGTs and higher that E4 and below have to perform the corrective training with the soldier they are correcting, while also hearing that&#39;s a myth, I&#39;ve tried researching this in numerous AR&#39;s but cant find anything that answers my question. My PSG and PL cant find the answer either, and neither of the section chiefs or gunners have the answer either, I have only been getting &quot;here say&quot; that E4 and below have to do the corrective training with the corrected soldier. 2020-02-08T08:44:35-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5534884

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been told by numerous SGTs and higher that E4 and below have to perform the corrective training with the soldier they are correcting, while also hearing that&#39;s a myth, I&#39;ve tried researching this in numerous AR&#39;s but cant find anything that answers my question. My PSG and PL cant find the answer either, and neither of the section chiefs or gunners have the answer either, I have only been getting &quot;here say&quot; that E4 and below have to do the corrective training with the corrected soldier.

2020-02-08T08:44:35-05:00 2020-02-08T08:44:35-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 5535182

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Good luck finding that one. On the Navy side, depending on the problem event, E4s were also included in the pennance because they are the first line that either knew about what was brewing, should have known (why part of the training), and then didn&#39;t take action. PVT Snuffy isn&#39;t doing well on the range and CPL Doolittle just hangs around. So the junior NCO doesn&#39;t act afterwards to see what is driving the poor performance. He needs a lesson on actively leading and being a part of the solution. When I had my Skipper jobs, I&#39;d tell all my NCOs down to the deckplate they were a part of my Command Team and I expected them to lean to at all levels in getting the job done and taking care of their people. And then I made sure they were taken care of. Being strong on that tends to push out the dirtbags which improves morale everywhere. Now is this action a good thing? Depends. If it is just universal policy, I read that as lazy leadership. If it is applied selectively, you take care of the problem at two levels.

2020-02-08T10:53:21-05:00 2020-02-08T10:53:21-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5535422

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You won&#39;t find that written anywhere. That concept started in the post 9/11 Army when making someone do push-ups became considered hazing. The idea was that you can&#39;t be punishing or hazing them if you&#39;re doing the exercises with them. Before 9/11 any NCO would have just laughed if you said that and told you the person who screws up is the one who pushes.

2020-02-08T12:03:50-05:00 2020-02-08T12:03:50-05:00 SFC Joseph McCausland 5535489

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My take is first, observe the techniques of the &quot;corrective&quot; soldier then, once you&#39;re satisfied that he or she is performing the exercise/training to standards, then I would join in just for encouragement, maybe to get that extra 2 or 3 push-ups out of them if the remediable training is PT. <br />The bottom-line, it&#39;s not a matter of whether you&#39;re &quot;mandated&quot; to perform the corrective training with the soldier you are correcting, rather the fact that you are willing and able to help a fellow soldier in need of help and encouragement... that&#39;s is how an E-4 makes SGT.

2020-02-08T12:28:00-05:00 2020-02-08T12:28:00-05:00 SSG Brian G. 5535728

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Bluntly? There is no such thing written in any regulation, anywhere. <br /><br />Outside of Basic and schoolhouses there is no &quot;smoking&quot; as that can be viewed and has been viewed as hazing so instead the SM doing the &quot;smoking&quot; will drop a SM or SM&#39;s into position and drop down with them for the first few, then recover and count cadence and then likely drop down for the last few just before recovery. <br /><br />Always, always when you have anyone tell you that &quot;this is the way it is&quot; and that a SM HAS to... ask to see the Regulation. Most of the time you will find that there is no such thing and never was. On rare occasions you will find there are regulations.

2020-02-08T13:58:25-05:00 2020-02-08T13:58:25-05:00 SFC James Cameron 5535797

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What is the deficiency being addressed with the corrective training? Is it a physical deficiency? Will the corrective training you do prevent the deficiency in the future? Does the corrective training fit the offense? Ask yourself these questions. You can also refer to AR 600-20 paragraphs 4-6(b) for additional guidance on corrective training.

2020-02-08T14:30:08-05:00 2020-02-08T14:30:08-05:00 SFC Melvin Brandenburg 5537240

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I generally do it because I want soldiers to know I am getting their attention, not just pissed at them. Besides, I get stronger, and it sort of establishes a pecking order beyond rank. I like to plank most of all.

2020-02-08T22:10:34-05:00 2020-02-08T22:10:34-05:00 CPT William Jones 5620202

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been out a long time and am and was just a regular type person but could shuffle for miles and could do lots of push-ups. So as a CPT company commander. When I made Elle do either it was nose to nose pushups sometimes in front of pt formation or side by side in run or me leading if multiple troops. I never had Sm be able to do more than me.

2020-03-02T10:54:38-05:00 2020-03-02T10:54:38-05:00 2020-02-08T08:44:35-05:00