If you support transgenders (or even if you don't, and want to speak out) what does this mean?

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:46:31 -0500

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

Canadian man leaves family to live as a transgender six-year-old girl

Stefonknee Wolscht, 52, lived as Paul with his wife until she realized she was transgender and was shunned by her family. She now lives with an adoptive family as a six-year-old girl.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 2:55 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:55:40 -0500

I'll be first. I'm not trying to dump on anyone's parade. If someone chooses to change sexes, whether by cross dressing or surgery, I think that's completely their choice, as long as they don't expect me to pay for it.

But where is the line between believing you aren't who/what you were born as and complete fantasy? 52 year old man, father of 7 wants to be a woman, no problem. 52 year old man wants to be a 6 year old girl is an age shift as well. Shades of Star Trek time travel episodes!

I don't think the military is the right place for this kind of self-expression, self-identification, self-finding, or whatever. You cannot say in the middle of a firefight, "I don't see myself in combat! I'm dropping out."

At what point can I say, "I don't identify myself as _____ race. I'm now a bona-fide war chief of the Sioux nation?" At what point can I put on a loan application, "I identify myself as making $250,000 per year?" Perhaps I identify myself as a magna cum laude graduate of the Thomas Brooks Institution of Rocket Science.

OK, enough hyperbole. I really would like a serious answer from transgenders and their supporters. IS THERE A LIMIT to what you can identify as, and is there a limit to how much other people have to accommodate your identification?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 3:09 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:09:50 -0500

I don't think this is just as simple as gender identification but more on the lines of a mental issue. Some may argue that it's the same idea (different gender=different life) but this just seems either botched up or someone is out to prove a point.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Dec 18 at 2015 12:28 AM

PVT Robert Gresham — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:28:36 -0500

The case that you are citing, SGM Private RallyPoint Member, is extremely unique. Most transgender, from speaking with quite a few, only identify as the opposite sex, and not as a child. I am sure that the person in question had other issues than those associated with transgender persons.

I think that the Military will survive the transgender issue, just as it did the race issue, the women issue, and the gay issue. Everyone was saying, "Well, I won't serve with one of them" in those cases too, until the time came that they had no other choice. Then, after some time the idea becomes rooted in the collective Military consciousness, and the Army keeps rolling along. This too shall pass.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 1:45 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:45:13 -0500

The pacifier is a nice touch...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 8:05 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:05:58 -0500

If this guy wants to spend the rest of his days pretending to be a little girl I could care less, just stop calling him a her, he will never be a female.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 8:51 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:51:49 -0500

In the famous words of Admiral Akbar..."It's a TRAP!"

Response by SGT Joseph Schmalzel made Dec 19 at 2015 1:56 PM

SGT Joseph Schmalzel — Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:56:27 -0500

Duhh F@ck is this weird $h!t????

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 1:49 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2015 01:49:26 -0500

This person is not an accurate representation of the majority of transgender people. This is on the fetishy side of the community, which is nothing like most of the trans people you will ever meet or serve with. There are also reports that this person has an history of being and abuser and a peeping tom, and that their current arrangement with the "mommy" and "daddy" is mostly sexual. So please do not compare them to us.

In my opinion, what consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business. However, please do not confuse the actions of people like them with the lives of transgender service members, or transgender people in general. I am very open and out about the fact that I am transgender, but I do not share my sex life with anyone. I, and many others like me, just want to serve my country while not worrying about having to hide my very identity.

I have taken an oath to be an officer in the US Navy, and I will do that job whether I am seen as male or female. I would be more comfortable and probably have higher morale if I serve as female, but I do my job either way. There will be no days where I say "I don't see myself in combat. I'm dropping out."

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 21 at 2015 4:05 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:05:46 -0500

If one reads about all the necessary treatments required post-transgendering surgery, I can not see how that could happen with those in combat situations or even on ships with limited medical facilities.