If you're working as an MP, and you fall under DES (DoD police), and they issue you a police badge, can you wear that on your uniform?

2015-12-24T14:54:21-05:00

Just questioning, I cannot find anything in the DPAM about it. It's an issued Department of the Army police badge that every person here recieves and DoD wears.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 2:56 PM

2015-12-24T14:56:34-05:00

As I'm sure others may tell you, it is commanders discretion. You cannot just wear it on your own but if your commander has authorized it you may.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 4:00 PM

2015-12-24T16:00:43-05:00

What badge is it?

Response by SSG Nick Moler made Dec 24 at 2015 8:09 PM

2015-12-24T20:09:00-05:00

Not on your BDU/ACU or Multicam but it is ok on your class A's but it is at the discretion of your command! Hope that helps

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2015 3:49 AM

2015-12-25T03:49:40-05:00

Only if authorized by the local commander

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2015 11:42 AM

2015-12-25T11:42:02-05:00

Only on your class A or MPI

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2015 10:34 PM

2015-12-25T22:34:34-05:00

What does the badge look like? Can you post a picture? I have never seen an MP wearing a different looking badge before.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 25 at 2015 10:52 PM

2015-12-25T22:52:58-05:00

Can't tell you about the Army but my Badge as Master at Arms Commander Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command was part of my Uniform. I did have to do a slight modification to it so I didn't Puncture my Jumper Top, Used the Clip for a Security Id and Clipped it over my Pocket. Still remember my Badge # Naval District Washington, DC Badge #9. Always wore it while acting as Writer for a Admirals Inspection and Presenting an Article 15 to the Chief of Staff.

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Dec 29 at 2015 6:32 AM

2015-12-29T06:32:34-05:00

DA PAM 670-1, dated 1 July 2015 http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p670_1.pdf
Page 269 describes the MP ID Badge and on Page 270 it describes the location of wear and order of precedence.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Dec 29 at 2015 1:15 PM

2015-12-29T13:15:38-05:00

I would have to say no. It's not an award or decoration. Your Crossed Pistols collar brass, Regimental Crest and unit crest identify you as an MP when you are not on duty.
There is an authorized Military Police badge which is carried by MPI investigators and a Special Agent badge carried by CID.
MPs during the 70's and early 80's MPs were issued serial numbered badges to wear on their uniforms while in garrison law enforcement, first individually to keep and then they started issuing them from the arms room when you signed out your weapon. but the brassard has always been the standard symbol of the MP. The Marine Corps MPs still wear a badge in garrison law enforcement, and on duty, but they alsogo back to the brassard outside of the garrison environment.
One of the big reasons that MPs are no longer issued badges is that many MPs would put them in their wallets to "flash the badge" and they were getting broken, lost and stolen. So the Army in it's wisdom stopped issuing them. Even back then when the badges were issued they were only worn on the uniform when you were actually performing law enforcement duties.
When you say you fall under DES I assume that you mean that DOD police run the day to day law enforcement operations on your installation and you are assigned to work out of their office. This does not make you a DoD cop and I don't know why they would issue you a badge.
Make no mistake. You are a US Army MP and soldier first, last, and always. You work with the DoD police not for them.
Here's a little history lesson for you.
Many years ago probably before you were born the DoD/DoA decided that MPs were needed more in foreign countries and needed to be freed up for combat/training. So they created the DoD Police to assume stateside garrison law enforcement duties in the absence of MPs. It was tested at Ft McClellan, AL (the former home of the MP School). They first had DoD cops assigned to work with the MPs primarily as gate guards until someone complained that the "beer bellied civilians" didn't look very sharp and were not properly saluting officers entering the post. :-) They created a Chief of Police office that was collocated with the PMO. MPs were put back on the gates and the DoD cops basically became security guards. Eventually DoD police assumed more and more of the law enforcement duties.
Then Desert Storm came along and we needed thousands of MPs in the sand box. Since then DoD cops have been the primary law enforcement stateside in garrison and MPs work with them under a Memorandum of Understanding between the DoA and DoD.
I know this was a long drawn out explanation of why you shouldn't be wearing a DoD badge but I know that so many MPs see wearing a badge as something that is cool. Be proud of the uniform you have. Those DoD cops don't do the same job that you do. If you want to be a civilian cop ETS and go to a police academy. Until then be the best MP you can be.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Bowers made Dec 29 at 2015 2:22 PM

2015-12-29T14:22:52-05:00

I know in the USAF Security Forces we were issued a numbered badge but I agree with most of the threads where you can only wear on Class A's and Formal coat's.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 12:17 AM

2015-12-30T00:17:00-05:00

A police badger for what?
It all has to do with what your PM or Post CMDR has authorized. If you are wearing a military uniform and officially on duty. Then you wear your MP shoulder Tab and your duty vest that has "POLICE" on the front and back

Response by SPC Ruben Marin made Jun 15 at 2017 9:22 AM

2017-06-15T09:22:52-04:00

If the Director of Emergency Services (DES) issues you a badge, you are authorized to wear on duty only. You may carry it off duty, only if you are also issued the yellow card that accompanys it. You may wear it on the new dress uniform if your DES authorizes the unit to do so. My guess here is that your unit is a detachment which falls under DES? I was in a unit that was this way. Our detachment commander was the authority over the unit, and he answered to the garrison commander for everyday soldier stuff. Then he had to answer to the DES for L&O stuff. He wore to hate, Det. comnander and deputy DES. Basically you have to ask the commander bc this person is the final decision maker when it comes to the army uniform.

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Aug 31 at 2017 8:42 AM

2017-08-31T08:42:15-04:00

If it's on your ERB then yes. If not, then I wouldn't wear it. I wouldn't want to add more shit to my uniform while working the road anyways.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Nov 27 at 2017 9:59 PM

2017-11-27T21:59:48-05:00

DA PAM 670-1 para 20-17b dated May 2017 page 300

b. Temporary badges. The following badges are authorized for temporary wear. Personnel will not wear these badges for official photographs or for promotion/selection boards. Upon termination of assignment to the command or federal agency that directs the wear of these badges, Soldiers will discontinue wearing these badges on the uniform.
(1) Unified Combatant Command ID badge. The order of precedence for this badge is after the Joint Chiefs of Staff identification badge.
(2)NationalDefenseUniversityIDbadge.TheorderofprecedenceforthisbadgeisaftertheUnifiedCombatantCom- mand identification badge.
(3) The MP ID badge (see fig 20–80). The order of precedence for this badge is after the National Defense University ID badge.
(4) Identification badges of the Office of the Secretary of a Federal Government Agency. These badges do not have an order of precedence in relation to other identification badges in this chapter.

Is there a 190 series regulation that covers this?

Response by MSG Micheal P Floyd Jr made Mar 24 at 2018 6:43 PM

2018-03-24T18:43:54-04:00

... two years ago it was worn ONLY while working in the capacity and assignment to the D.O.D., all other assignments (outside of this duty assignment) forbids the wearing of this badge as per S.O.P.

Response by SFC James Heath made Jun 20 at 2018 3:44 PM

2018-06-20T15:44:22-04:00

The Provost Martial will have a policy regarding the wearing of badges. Keep in mind, you do not carry the badge off duty, you have no police authority when not on duty. You have absoutely no authority off post.