If you are a SPC (P) and do not pass a PT test should you still be promoted?

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:28:18 -0500

Question;

A. If you are a SPC (p) and fail 6 or more PT tests are you able to get promoted anyway?

B. After you become an NCO you fail two record PT tests what should happen?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2014 3:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:29:46 -0500

Failing an APFT = flagged. Flagged = no favorable action. Promotion = favorable action.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2014 3:33 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:33:43 -0500

SPC(P) Mize, if a Soldier is a SPC(P) and fails a PT test then the Soldier should be Flagged and therefore ineligible for promotion. The Soldier should also be removed from the Promotion list and lose his/her promotable status. As far as being a NCO and failing two record PT tests that is grounds for separation from the Army.

Response by SSG Ron Davis made Jan 25 at 2014 3:39 PM

SSG Ron Davis — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:39:33 -0500

SFC Adams hit the nail right on the head. Being promotable should mean that you not only met the standard but exceeded it. How can you hope to lead others when you can't even meet the minimal standards given to those you would be in charge of?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2014 3:47 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:47:26 -0500

I agree with SFC Van Natta. Promotion is a privilege, not a right. Don't meet and in best circumstances exceed expectations? No promotion. An NCO failing consecutive APFTs with no plausible reasoning such as injuries is grounds for separation.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2014 9:30 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:30:02 -0500

As has been said already:

1 APFT Failure = Flagged for APFT Failure and then a retest after 30 days

2nd APFT Failure = Flagged for Field Initiated Involuntary Separation

A NCO who cannot pass an APFT is a leadership failure as well. How can a leader tell his/her Soldiers to improve their PT level while him/herself not being able to do the same? Lead by example. Also, APFT Failure is a "Needs Improvement" checkbox on the NCOER. Continued failure should be noted on the NCOER Part IV and quite possibly Part V (Senior Rater comments and rating).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2014 10:30 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:30:08 -0500

Think the regulation is pretty clear on both of these. Failed APFT = flagged. Flagged = no favorable action.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 26 at 2016 4:57 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:57:08 -0400

Every service has different policies and regulations relating to PT and failure. All I can say is; failure is not an option-especially for a Non Commissioned Officer! You cannot lead from the front if you are in the back seat.