If my profile still states that I can't ride in military vehicles, can my PSG make me get in a Stryker?

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:06:32 -0400

I am currently on a temporary profile that states that I cannot ride in a military vehicle or wear any equipment. Today as were about to leave for a field rotation (I do not mind going but i don't want to break my profile) My PLT SGT called the PA and had him change my profile so it says that I can wear my ACH. But my profile still states that I can't ride in military vehicles. Can he make me get in a Stryker? Im assuming he can't and I have been searching through the regulations and can not seem to find anything. Could someone possibly show me something to steer me in the right direction? I don't mind going to the field I don't think its that bad. But I don't want to break my profile and have my condition get worse as the result.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Oct 29 at 2019 2:37 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:37:52 -0400

Generally speaking, a PSG does not have the authority to order a violation of a profile (generally - there are always exceptions). This means it would be treated as an unlawful order. If you feel that his orders are violating your profile, clarify with him, and if he does not give you a satisfactory answer as to HOW his actions are justified, and he insists on the order, then go over his head to the PL, and, if necessary to the 1SG/CO.

However... Beware! If you refuse to comply and the CO decides the PSG was in the right, you may not like the end result. This is ALWAYS the risk when fighting an order you believe to be unlawful.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Oct 29 at 2019 5:31 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:31:14 -0400

Sounds like a bad profile has been written if it states "cannot ride in a military vehicle". Whoever wrote that profile needs to be more clear in what you can and cannot do. Providers write bad profiles all of the time.

Here's a good article (although a little dated) that provides some clarity around profiles, and refers to some resources that may be helpful.

http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/temporary-profile-interpretation-biggest-challenge-for-leaders/article_f1cd8468-de06-59c0-8ae1-b08d1dc13248.html

Temporary profile: Interpretation biggest challenge for leaders

There are two categories of profiles – temporary or permanent. Today, we will focus on temporary profiles. Our office receives numerous calls in reference to the physical profiles.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2019 10:13 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:13:35 -0400

If your profile states no military vehicles....and a Stryker is a military vehicle...then don't ride in it. I would recommend a visit to your provider and have it updated to state NO TACTICAL VEHICLES. Once this profile is updated, provide said copy of your profile to your PSG, your PL, your 1SG, your Commander, your Training/Readiness NCO. And, as for what you need to read up on, start with AR 40-502, Medical Readiness.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Oct 30 at 2019 1:00 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:00:49 -0400

WTF- If you can't ride in a vehicle, then you should be on bed rest, and NO NCO can force a WO to change shit unless it is wrong. No O can force a med change unless they are a higher Med O.

Response by John H Green Jr made Oct 30 at 2019 1:08 PM

John H Green Jr — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:08:10 -0400

Respectfully go talk to your platoon leader (not social media) If your that broke then maybe you should be on rear d for this one.

Response by SPC Nicholas Wood made Oct 31 at 2019 7:36 AM

SPC Nicholas Wood — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:36:53 -0400

So if you cant be in a military vehicle ... Why are you still in? Doesnt that mean you are not deployable?

Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Oct 31 at 2019 1:16 PM

SFC Kelly Fuerhoff — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:16:16 -0400

You follow your profile. If it says no military vehicles that's a military vehicle. If you want it clarified go talk to your provider.

I'm not sure how your PSG managed to get your PA to change a profile - I'd be looking into that if it was me. They are I believe only supposed to talk to the commander.

Go talk to your PSG with your first line.