If more white people was killed by police than African Americans why are they protesting?

LCpl Timothy McCain — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:13:46 -0400

"Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population. Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, was sentenced May 31." All information was provided by http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Police killed at least 346 black people in the U.S. in 2015.

Mapping Police Violence collects comprehensive data on police killings nationwide to make the case for change.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 11:19 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:19:26 -0400

The bias is well-documented. Racial profiling, stereotypes and the "war on drugs" with sentences drastically higher for crack cocaine than regular cocaine (crack is more prevalent among African Americans) are all well known instances of the institutional racism that lingers in this country.

Black Lives Matter is a movement, much like the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s and the Women's Suffrage movement of the 1890s and 1900s with a single purpose of righting a wrong.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 11 at 2016 11:44 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:44:55 -0400

Thats Black on Black. More White people an hispanics top the list. Every 14 hours a black child is shot not by the police officer but by anothere black person.

Response by SPC Michael S. made Jul 11 at 2016 11:57 PM

SPC Michael S. — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:57:47 -0400

This is a false stitistic if ive ever seen one.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 12:12 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:12:22 -0400

Ehh, it starts to make sense when you look at who commits the most violent crimes. For instance, there are far more men in prison than women. This does not mean that the justice system is sexist against men. Certain groups are also far more likely to resist arrest or use violence against police. That also makes sense. 13% of the nation's population commits 80% of the crime. If whites are killed five times less, then blacks are getting a favorable shake when it comes to violent crimes because they commit 6 times as many of them as whites. This means they have less of a chance of being shot by police that whites when the number of crimes are considered. These are CDC stats, not mine. Also, I clap when a drug dealer or child molester get wiped of the map. It's this strange itch I get. The easiest way to not be justifiably shot by police is to not commit a crime. That starts in the home and in the community. I don't have the time to go into the math of those aspects. There have been few instances that were unjustified uses of force, even with the racist justice department running the show. They do exist, but there are not enough to fit the race baiting narrative being crafted. Why is there not a Fed investigation when a black cop shoots a white criminal? When is the last time you saw that? THINK and use your head. ignorance breeds hatred instead of solutions. It's like pulling your throttle all the way back and expecting it to go when you still have the clutch in. A lot of noise, but no movement forward.

Response by SPC James Harsh made Jul 12 at 2016 12:22 AM

SPC James Harsh — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:22:35 -0400

13% of the population comprises a significant portion of the populations violent crime and homicides. Areas of concentrated race also reflect the higher percentages. Not all police officers that shoot blacks are white. Hispanics are commonly considered white as well. The rate of violent crime and homicide including hispanics as the fbi does is close to 70% however to seperate whites from hispanics would change that number. For 13% of the population blacks account for 30% of violent crime and homicide so consider the concentrated communities as well. When felony crimes occur and not petty stuff situations lawfully police become elevated. One of the best things that's happening now is the community-based policing effort with cops that reflect the communities they serve, it still happens though even when the police are ethnically diverse.

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Jul 12 at 2016 1:18 AM

MSG Pat Colby — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:18:51 -0400

BLM (Big Lies Matter)
False stats.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 12 at 2016 3:37 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:37:51 -0400

Good Query! Good Point.

Response by LTC David Brown made Jul 12 at 2016 4:24 AM

LTC David Brown — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:24:31 -0400

Here is a statistical analysis that comes to a different conclusion about blacks being shot by police. He found blacks were LESS likely to be shot by police but more likely to beat blacks than whites. Do cops that discriminate need to be removed , yes! Note, the author of the study is black http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28107/

Black Harvard economist finds no racial bias in officer-involved shootings - The College Fix

'The most surprising result of my career.'

Response by PO2 Sybil "TT" I. made Jul 12 at 2016 4:41 AM

PO2 Sybil "TT" I. — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:41:02 -0400

I don't want to repeat or rephrase the point 2LT Michael Tobin was trying to make, so I'll just add this: I was curious..., so after doing a little research, I think it would be useful for you to start checking the sources of your sources and yeah, their sources too. Actually, take a good look at their excel spreadsheets and databases. I'm not saying, personal web sites For-the-Friend-of-So-and-So, and a collection of newspaper articles doesn't have any value, but the credibility if often questionable and subject to bias. Just something to consider when digesting all these numbers and statistics.

Response by SSgt Jerry DeLaney made Jul 12 at 2016 6:15 AM

SSgt Jerry DeLaney — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:15:14 -0400

I grew up in a "redneck", racists family. Many of my cousins would never speak to me again if they knew my wife of 34 years is half Chinese. Hate, fear, distrust, and ignorance are the elements used by people seeking to obtain or hold on to power. I can't abide disingenuous, power hungry people taking advantage of other, less educated people for their own advancement or the advancement of a political party.
Please read the following article with an open mind:

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime
by JEROME HUDSON
28 Nov 2015

The mainstream American media is, again, happily hitting the Black Lives Matter crack pipe in its pernicious pursuit of high ratings. These blood-lusting junkies were nowhere to be found when, with haunting predictability, Chicago news headline after headline detailed the carnage that has consumed dozens of communities in that city where black men kill each other with terrifying regularity.

Where were these Black Lives Matter protesters after the slaying of Chicago’s little Tyshawn Lee, the 9-year-old lured into an alley and shot to death by a black man seeking gang-related vengeance against his father?

Did little Tyshawn’s murder at the hands of a black gangster–an all too common occurrence in Chicago–not warrant wall-to-wall news coverage or Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson-style calls for “justice”?

No.

Why?

Because the ugly truth behind #BlackLivesMatter is that black people killing other black people does nothing to advance its political power in the same way that one white cop killing a black criminal can.

Despite the media’s overindulgence on white cops killing blacks, there is still a far-larger amount of black bodies being sent to morgues by black killers. Here’s five devastating facts, liberals can’t deny, that prove it.

FACT 1. Over 1,400 more black Americans murdered other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968.

According to FBI data, 4,906 black people murdered other blacks in 2010 and 2011. That is 1,460 more black Americans killed by other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968, according to the Tuskegee Institute.

FACT 2. Black People (mostly men) commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime.

In 2012, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed a staggering 5,531 murders.

In other words: black people–at just a fifth of the size–committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts.

The figures above highlight a horrific truth that black racialists and white liberals routinely ignore: Lawbreaking black Americans, young black males particularly, put themselves in close proximity to (mostly white male) police officers at rates sometimes five to 10 times higher than whites. This is a recipe for disaster. Thusly….

FACT 3. Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years.

DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides.

In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

There are five times fewer black people than white people in America and, yet, they consistently carry out a larger share of the crimes? Given this rate, it’s no wonder that there aren’t more instances where cops kill black criminals.

FACT 4. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.

There have been almost as many deaths in one American city as there have been in the two major wars carried out by the U.S. military this century.

Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

FACT 5. It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone.

University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012.

Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Follow Jerome on Twitter: @jeromeehudson

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jul 12 at 2016 7:28 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:28:36 -0400

It is disingenuous to suggest that blacks are deliberately being targeted if your statistics don't also reflect the frequency at which blacks commit crimes, the nature of violence and degree of violence associated with the crimes committed, and the behavior and aggression exhibited by the suspect which led to the escalation, etc.

When you factor all that in I believe you will find that police are more likely to want to avoid a confrontation altogether but more likely to shoot if they feel threatened seeing as groups like BLM and NBPP have declared open season on the police. Seems to me to be a self inflicted wound. The black community would do better to focus their energy on building their communities rather than tearing them down. And they would do well to get rid of this crazy notion that all their problems were caused by others and that it is the gov't's responsibility to fix everything for them and provide for all their needs.

Response by SPC Christopher McMahon made Jul 12 at 2016 8:06 AM

SPC Christopher McMahon — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:06:54 -0400

Unarmed? Really, McCain? There is no such thing. Any man who can punch, kick, choke etc... Is armed. Black commit more crimes than whites and Hispanics combined! THAT is why blacks have more run ins with cops. Blacks are also more likely to resist arrest. Black makes make up 6% of the US population, but commit 52% of all violent crimes.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jul 12 at 2016 8:58 AM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:58:54 -0400

I have been around plenty of white trash and I will not protest their deaths if their activities brought upon them the police and resulting death.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 9:17 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:17:38 -0400

This discussion is proof that figures lie and liars figure.

One can word the statistic in a way to suit one's argument. In fact it was done fairly well here.

The final word is why are people being killed? Try to take a officer's weapon and you will very probably fail and may well die in the process. If I am trying to take the officer's weapon and I die in the process, am I considered unarmed?

If I am fighting and am large enough to prevail (or are prevailing) and I get shot am I an innocent unarmed person?

If I am injured or killed by the police while I am resisting arrest and presenting a viable threat to my self or others, is my death because I am (white, black, red, yellow, or anything else) or because I am being non compliant and showing my self to be dangerous?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 9:24 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:24:29 -0400

According to the DoJ, 385 people have been killed THIS year by police; 171 white, 100 black, the rest are Hispanic/other. Of the 596 people killed last year, more than half were white. A better question might be why 80% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. I understand that the media only covers OIS when it is a minority.

As a police officer on the civilian side, do i perceive situations & and people differently? Yup, guilty. If I'm on a traffic stop at 0200 and there are 4x males in the car you bet your ass I'm going to approach that car differently, regardless of race.

EDIT:

Here's the other thing that I don't think you understand. There is a difference between a "call for service" and a traffic stop. During a traffic stop, the police take or don't take action based on observations during the stop. When cops get a "call for service" that means that someone has called the cops. A couple of things are happening while enroute to that call. 1. the dispatcher is getting information from the caller. 2. the cop is getting information from the dispatcher.

So what information is the cop receiving?

1. Address history (how many times have the police been called to that particular address)

2. criminal histories (if any) in reference to the parties involved. This would include any current, extraditable warrants.

3. Tendencies- This is local and added into the NCIC database which is nationwide. This is in reference to whether a subject is known to carry, has a drug history, known to resist, known to assault police etc.

All of these things are factored together when a cop makes contact with the reporting party and the subject of the call, and dictate how he initially handles the call. It goes from there.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 12 at 2016 9:57 AM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:57:29 -0400

http://www.copinthehood.com/2008/02/police-involved-shootings-and-race.html?m=1

Cop in the Hood: Police kill white people, too

I am sure that police kill whites but how many innocent whites have they killed and gotten away with that is the real question.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Jul 12 at 2016 10:12 AM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:12:20 -0400

LCpl Timothy McCain this is more a social commentary than anything else. Look at locations, violent crime, poverty, and unemployment. You will see that the areas that have the highest poverty also have the highest violent crime rate. You will also find that the minority population in these areas far exceeds the national average. Realistically if we truly want to see changes, we need a shift in this nation. The country needs to transition back to a nation of producers instead of a nation of consumers. If we started making things here instead of outsourcing it to China, Vietnam, Korea, Pakistan, India, and other nations with cheap, expendable labor then things would by default change here. If you want evidence of this, look at the city of Detroit. Detroit once was a testament to American industry. Now it is a broken city with some neighborhoods so bad that the police will not even go into them. A Broken city with run down buildings, empty lots, and other reminders of a once great American tradition. Think about what would happen if instead of abject poverty, we had manufacturing, agricultural, and service jobs in those neighborhoods. Replace poverty with productivity. Replace despair with hope. Replace crime with community pride. Then see where those numbers go.

Response by Sgt William Themann made Jul 12 at 2016 10:42 AM

Sgt William Themann — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:42:58 -0400

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
IDK where mapping police violence gets it's data but you can't get more Left Wing Liberal than the Wash. Post, so if they are posting the data below ya gotta give it some credence since it goes against their PC editorial stance.

Investigation: People shot and killed by police this year

At least 62 people have been shot and killed by police across the United States within the past 30 days, according to Washington Post data.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 10:45 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:45:07 -0400

They're protesting because they are left wing terrorists. This has nothing to do with blacks. They are being used. Stop wasting your time with facts because the left couldn't care less about them... People need to wake up. http://revcom.us/

Revolution revcom.us

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 10:57 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:57:34 -0400

Your syntax has me confused. Are you asking why aren't Whites protesting or why are Blacks Protesting?

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jul 12 at 2016 10:59 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:59:55 -0400

Because we only hear what the main stream media want us to hear. Because some of the leading figures in our nation wants to keep the United States in strife, fighting each other so we can't focus on the real problems our nation is currently facing, maybe like national debt, some of the bills which have passed silently through Congress and we've been too unfocused to notice. As long as we Americans are divided, we can't be united and this is the way we will be defeated from with in.

Response by CPL Zach Spurloch made Jul 12 at 2016 11:43 AM

CPL Zach Spurloch — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:43:54 -0400

Are blacks being shot more because of their race/ where they live, or is it just media hype? I personally know quite a few that have been arrested because it was in the cops/prosecutors best interest to do so. Does not mean it was legal or just? Most people just decide to take the plea, because it will get them out of jail sooner than trying to fight an unjust system. This is what they are taught by those in their communities. It is a serious problem. Racial profiling does exist, as does profiling by economic status. I don't believe the fault lies all with the cops/ prosecutors. As always, it is the ones "Pulling The Strings".

Response by PO1 Robert Gasser made Jul 12 at 2016 12:34 PM

PO1 Robert Gasser — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:34:44 -0400

We are tired of this type of thing happening also. Whether it be racial profiling (it's only considered that if you're wrong) or just being leery due to past experience or history. We are TIRED of watching gun violence due to stupidity. Those of us who carry legally are getting the RAW deal by people crying for gun control. Where does the majority of gun violence stem? Just a question to ponder!

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jul 12 at 2016 1:12 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:12:35 -0400

LCpl Timothy McCain - Where are your statistics reflecting those killed by police who were "armed." Can we presuppose that the balance of those (all races) killed by police were armed? Anyway, the Huffington Post suggests your statistics are flawed, at best (see article). My point: Your statistics are only as good as your source. To this, you might want to gather more information prior to pulling the pin on a s*** grenade.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/campaign-zero-debunks-police-killings-myth_us_5678c575e4b014efe0d6a2cd

A Closer Look At Police Killings This Year Debunks A Big Myth About Community Violence

“It just reminds us that the police are choosing to be violent in communities."

Response by SGT Anthony Fryxell made Jul 12 at 2016 1:14 PM

SGT Anthony Fryxell — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:14:02 -0400

Let me start this off when I say all lives Matter, we have learned that from the beginning of are training as members of the US Military, but that is the military. I don't know how many time I have helped another service member with things in and out of uniform and race never crossed my mind. The news station only give you what they want to give you. I believe in freedom of speech, and the rights that have been given to us to be able to do so. We see all the rallies because of someone was shot and killed, yes it is sad that someone died. These rallies have several hundred some time thousands of people. Why do these people(black or white) not band together to help the police get these criminals of the street. Report the drug dealers, and other criminal activity. That would they would have to get involved. Most people are a danger to themselves and just don't realize it.

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made Jul 12 at 2016 1:28 PM

PO2 Robert Cuminale — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:28:36 -0400

Blame the media which prefers to report what will advance its agenda. The agenda right now is to destroy police effectiveness by claiming they are racists.
The Times is also very anti-gun. You will never see a story about someone defending themselves with a gun.
If you read the NY Times there is a bleeding heart story about those poor illegal aliens being deported at least once a month. Most people don't know that the Times is bankrupt and is being supported by Carlos Slim, a Mexican cell phone service billionaire. Mr. Slim's family is actually Arab and you'll see nothing bad about them either.
Times readers consider themselves the smartest guys on the block. To the contrary they are t=one of the least informed. In the last two weeks there have been hundreds of comments about how the GOP has banned guns at their convention with thousands recommending the comments.
It would never dawn on these people to check and learn that convention centers are city owned and it is the cities which have banned guns.

Response by LCpl Timothy McCain made Jul 12 at 2016 6:34 PM

LCpl Timothy McCain — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:34:18 -0400

. Remember remember African Americans are 10 times more likely to be stopped arrested and charged. Even though the police may not have evidence to support the charges. This is especially true in New York city, LA, Oakland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Austin TX. How it works is they charge you with a crime and hold without bail until you plea to a lesser crime. NYC is easy to track because of the speedy Trial law. In a violent crime or murder case the case must go to trial in six months. But 60% of murder case involving African Americans never see court. Because they hold the individual for up to three years attempting to force a plea deal. Because they have no physical evidence and very weak physical evidence and even weaker circumstantial evidence linking the individual to the crime. The cases where they go to trial are the cases where the evidence is strong. And only about 40%. With white suspects nearly 70% go to trial in six months. The other 30% are dropped cases or held up by the defense. NYC pay out on average $400 million in false arrest claims each year. But federal charts do take into consideration final disposition. Also they don't adjust for cases where the officers are known to plant evidence and falsified reports. Which is common practice in the NYPD, Philadelphia PD, Austin PD, and Oakland PD. In fact Nearly all of Oakland PD senior staff was at one point resigning behind a scandal. But I'm going to give credit where credit is due. The Dallas PD have found away to reduce crime and be less aggressive with the people. When a police chief demands a high level of integrity and excellence from his department and organizes community involvement in the police department it makes everyone more comfortable with the police and makes it easier for the officers to serve.

Response by LCpl Hilton Hoskins made Jul 12 at 2016 6:53 PM

LCpl Hilton Hoskins — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:53:48 -0400

Half of the comments here are straight bullshit and I'll tell you why. Statistics are based on how many documented, that means if something wasn't documented then it wasn't included. Plus the whole issue of everybody trying to dumb down the issue of lives being lost unjustly shows fucking ignorance. The point is that people were unjustly killed by scum who slipped through the cracks to wear a badge they didn't deserve to wear. If you want to get technical white people are more prone to violence than any other race against other races and even other whites. Need proof? KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, CCofC, Army of God, the list goes on but Blacks and other minorities are more prone to violence, right? Here's the thing about statistics, they could always be doctored up in order to someone's advantage, people tend to forget that. The weird thing is that some of you who have made the comments you have actually been fooled into thinking that life is fair for everyone. The truth is that it's not. The truth is that it's not fair for everyone. Racism exists in this country from goverment on down to the individual and until people actually start seeing shit for what it really is nothing will change, it will continue to be a clusterfuck. Some of you don't want to hear the words "white privilege" because it makes you antsy. You don't want to even fathom that your chances of succeeding in life are greater because of the color of your skin as opposed to somebody of a different color. Am I saying you all are racist? No I don't believe either one of you are racist and I'll tell you why, you serve or have served beside people of color and even hang out with them. I'm so sure of that because our military branches consist of people from different races, cultures, genders and backgrounds, and yes, even with that fact there is still prejudice in our armed forces but it is not tolerated or at least I would like to think so. Anyway, I don't think that neither one of you are racist, misogynistic or prejudiced but I do think you're misinformed. How many of you have actually ever hung out in a black neighborhood? What I mean by that is actually go to someone's house or maybe a bar or nightclub in a black neighborhood? I'm pretty sure you haven't. You get your information from the news and you trust that information because "why would they lie," right? So from that your view of Blacks and any other color is that of being whiney. You can't see that you've been bushwhacked and bullshitted for the simple purpose of profit. You can't see that you've been influenced to hate someone for the profit of someone who hates you and the people you've been influenced to hate but they fooled you by telling you that you are just like them, when in reality, they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. They would only placate you long enough to achieve their purpose then throw you away like disguarded trash, and blame the people they influenced you to hate as the reason for your loss, when in fact it is them who fucked you over. So you're fooled into thinking that the people of color are your problem when they are just trying to do the same thing you're trying to do and that's live. Your real problem are the people who look like you who benefit from you not realizing they are conning you for profit and who can easily achieve this by claiming that they are just like you, when they are not and look down on you with the same superiority as they do everyone else, and fool you into thinking everyone else is your problem. The whole idea that any of you would even think of trying to down play a movement that's about saving lives with bullshit statistics is beyond me. Statistics shouldn't even be a factor, the fact that people are unjustly dying as a result of gross incompetence should be more important than some fucking statistics. It's just like the issue of gun violence, instead of actually sitting down at the table and coming up with ideas of how to at least attempt to solve the problem, They are fighting like two bratty kids over a fucking toy. The loss of life is a serious fucking issue I don't give two fucks what color, race, gender you are, it's fucking problem that needs to be dealt with. You and I took an oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic, unjustifiable death are one of the enemies of this country and for us to down play a movement that is trying to change that is going against that oath. So take it how you want, I don't actually give a fuck but that's how it is. Now, you could either support the Black Lives Matter movement or not but don't start acting like it's just people whinning for no reason because it's not. I've had my say on this and if it made some of you angry, then good maybe it takes some of you getting angry before you realize that the loss of life unjustly is a serious problem in America that must be dealt with. Maybe it takes you being angry for you to pull your heads out of your asses and see that this is an important issue that needs to be taken seriously. If you value life then you should be in support of a movement with the intent on preserving life. So I'm gonna end this because I sure that most of you are just itching to get into a fucking pissing contest with me over my statements but I could careless. Semper Fi, OOHRAH!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 8:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:27:11 -0400

102 is a large numbe, but I read somewhere online that more whites die by police than blacks, but that's neither here nor there, we all human. Regardless if they were armed or not is irrelevant, but the true relevant questions you have to ask is 1. What were the circumstances that led the officer or officers to draw their weapons? 2. If they had to discharge their weapon, was it justified? I'm not saying that the recent shootings were justified, but I can tell you for a fact that both situations could have been prevented simply if both guys just would have listened and complied with directions. I been in this type of situation countless of times and I'm still alive today for the mere fact that I complied to police commands.

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Jul 14 at 2016 6:22 PM

PO1 Joseph Glennon — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:22:07 -0400

The only responses I'm gong to give to this are:
Only someone who is either intellectually dishonest, or someone who lacks intelligence, would think that "unarmed" (meaning "no firearm") equates to "harmless" or "not a danger."

*Most* whites that do protest, do so without looting, burning, destroying, blocking traffic, or threatening an entire community (all of which are illegal). *Most* whites that protest do so by appearing at city (town hall) meetings, writing op-ed pieces for the local newspapers, calling their city government - in general, doing things in a legal manner - in ways that historically bring about changes without bringing degrading views about our efforts to effect change.

There is also the fact that if whites organized groups and called them things like "white lives matter", they'd be viewed as even more racist than they're already accused of being, merely because of the color of their skin.

Okay - I'm done with this thread.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 2:07 AM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:07:57 -0400

However, if you look at other variables like how many deaths were caused by certain demographics, both inside and outside of the law enforcement community, though you will see the black demographic is still by far the most targeted, the demographic of the shooter also tends to share the same demographic. This isn't a law enforcement problem. This is a violence problem..