If Donald Trump is elected President, would it be more honorable to resign from service or to serve under his "leadership"?

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:51:11 -0500

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Dec 12 at 2015 8:55 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:55:08 -0500

Your oath is not to him, it is to the U.S. Constitution. Conservative service members have served under Obama and sucked it up. Don't make a bad decision based upon an election outcome. My two cents.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Dec 12 at 2015 9:10 AM

PVT Robert Gresham — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:10:36 -0500

Military members don't get to pick and choose who they serve under, MAJ Bryan Zeski. You don't get to choose your Division commander, and the only to affect who your Commander-in-Chief is going to be is to vote along with the the rest of the country. But, regardless of the outcome of the election, you "support and defend the Constitution of the the United States", no matter who the POTUS may be. If you choose to throw your career away because you are uncertain about the leadership ability of the man (or woman) elected as President, then you probably SHOULD resign.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Dec 12 at 2015 9:12 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:12:00 -0500

Do you believe you can do more good in the system than outside the system?

Do you believe his presence and Powers (as outlined within the Constitution) will corrupt the system to the point where the Constitution is irredeemably flawed?

What level of direct "influence" (as opposed to Command) do you believe the President has on the Military as a whole?

Response by PO3 Brad Phlipot made Dec 12 at 2015 10:01 AM

PO3 Brad Phlipot — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:01:26 -0500

This is really a topic by a Major? You cannot possibly convince me that you are satisfied with the current performance of this POTUS and the lack of leadership. News flash we are getting our Butts handed to us the only possible direction at this point is up as you cannot go any further down.

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Dec 12 at 2015 10:02 AM

PFC Zanie Young — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:02:12 -0500

If I wasn't already out, I would go. No disrespect to any CIC, but I wouldn't want to serve under anyone who has no military experience!

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 12 at 2015 11:16 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:16:54 -0500

What applies to Trump also applies to Obama and Bill Clinton. What did you do under those frauds?

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Dec 12 at 2015 11:35 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:35:11 -0500

If he is legitimately elected through our democratic process, it would be more honorable to continue to serve.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 11:39 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:39:22 -0500

Seriously? You are going to ask that question when you've stated that those on active duty need to respect the office of the presidency? What I hear you asking goes against all the rhetoric you've been spewing over the current pResident.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 12:38 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 12:38:25 -0500

I do not serve a man, I serve my country.
Every President I have served under either had a deeply flawed character or made some very poor decisions that directly affected me in the military. But I Soldier on, because the picture is bigger than the worldview of one man, even the President of the United States.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 12 at 2015 1:02 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:02:22 -0500

Let's say I disliked Trump way more than the current POTUS. Why would I throw away my retirement for that? I would stay in.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 12 at 2015 1:26 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:26:55 -0500

Your call to serve this nation shouldn't be solely determined based on who is president... Just an opinion only...

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Dec 12 at 2015 1:42 PM

Capt Walter Miller — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:42:17 -0500

It is said people get the government they deserve.

If the people vote in Trump they deserve very bad government indeed.

Walt

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 2:42 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:42:42 -0500

My political views have little relevance to my service. Unless something is a threat to The Constitution, I serve Commanders (including the CINC), that I may not agree with, but I serve faithfully and to the best of my ability.

I've never seen an officer (to my recollection its always an officer) that becomes derelict in their duties that wasn't wrong to do so...from the Army Physician in Desert Storm who refused to deploy, to the Officer who claimed our President (I didn't vote for the President, but he still IS my President and Commander in Chief) wasn't a legally elected official.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 3:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:43:27 -0500

It is troubling to see a senior leader, a field grade officer, show this kind of inability to adapt and put his personal feelings aside for the greater good.
This question can't be answered in a poll. This is something that takes some soul searching.
The oath you took, as it's been pointed out numerous times, is not in service to the president. Further, if you feel that your leadership makes a positive impact now, are you comfortable leaving your troops when you separate?
If you have been vocal on these forums about being blindly faithful to the current POTUS, do you not feel that you you can still say the same for Trump? Was your enthusiasm any less relevant before? Do you feel morally conflicted now?
If you aren't able to give the same dedication after the new POTUS is elected and it affects your ability to do your job, then it would be an easy decision if it were me.

Response by MAJ Steven Szymurski made Dec 12 at 2015 4:08 PM

MAJ Steven Szymurski — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:08:21 -0500

As many others have noted, your oath is to the constitution. If a US citizen, you have the right
to vote in the election of the President, Senators, and Congress Representatives. However once duly elected, you are obligated to follow the lawful orders of the chain of command appointed over you. Regardless whether of not you voted for a president or; whether or not you personally like or dislike the person in that office, you still are required to respect the office. As I have heard somewhere before, keep in mind after all that the job of president and all elected official is only a temporary job until the next election.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 6:12 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:12:53 -0500

Would you also say that that would have been an equally fair question to ask in 2008? Your post BEGS for that reciprocal discussion.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 6:25 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:25:50 -0500

Sir, You have taken an oath to "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States." You signed up to defend our country, and I think it would be dishonorable to resign.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 6:44 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:44:21 -0500

This I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt: Trump either will be the Republican candidate, or the RNC brokers the convention, at which time Trump goes Independent. At that moment, The Democrat is absolutely guaranteed to win. Would you work for her or resign, MAJ Bryan Zeski???

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Dec 12 at 2015 9:00 PM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:00:54 -0500

I say stay in. You and all veterans serve the US constitution "We the people!" I feel he will pour more money back into our military if it is to be strong again .. as he has proclaimed to do.
Chuck D

Response by CPO Jason Meier made Dec 12 at 2015 9:35 PM

CPO Jason Meier — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:35:48 -0500

MAJ Bryan Zeski, by the sounds of your question you have failed to truly understand what and who you are serving. You are serving to protect the peoples of the US and most importantly you are serving to protect the very document that gives us the law of the land and the rights of a free people, the Constitution. I served under Bush Sr., Clinton, W, and Obama. They all have their faults but that did not change how I looked and conducted business in uniform. I maintained focused on why I was there. Did I have my preferred CIC? Sure, everyone doe but, to give up because you disagree with whom the people's choice is pretty petty and weak. Both Bush Sr.And W. we're great for the military and national security but their ideas did have faults whether they knew it then . Clinton was good at getting our deficit under control but to what cost? The current occupant ran on "Hope and Change", well the change is in but there is no hope. The country is more divided now than anytime in history to include the 1940's when the government was collecting the legal immigrants from Japan, Italians, and Germany and placing them into "internment camps" or better known as concentration camps. The other time period was during the Civil Rights movement which as we all know, not a great time in our past. But to question whether to stay in because a business leader that does not play by the traditional political rules and he answers to only to himself is a worse fit than a community organizer with no leadership experience and has caused the widest divide in the nations history ever, maybe you should resign your commission. If you have that much doubt in your heart then you should be in a leadership position. That Sir is my professional opinion, not a personal opinion.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 10:02 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:02:20 -0500

Why would you let him take away what you have achieved? You swore an oath to protect the Constitution, he does not validate you or your service, and the way to make a difference is to stay on task.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Dec 12 at 2015 11:50 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:50:00 -0500

Stay in and take care of your Soldiers as best you can.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 12:05 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 00:05:29 -0500

If you are even asking this question you need to leave the service.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 13 at 2015 2:30 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 02:30:33 -0500

Wow! that is the question dejour. To be Honest I really don't think Trump is really as Fascist as he sounds. Just blowing the Right Dog Whistles that he knows Republicans like. He's a Salesman and He is Selling a Product and will say anything that he thinks will work. Also I have noticed that no matter what their "Platform" is before they are elected, all generally move to the Center once elected since that is where most of us really exist. I would say hang around and see and if he turns out to be the Full Fledged Fascist that he pretends to be. Resign your Commission then.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 4:33 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 04:33:01 -0500

It would not be more honorable in any circumstances. Honor is not dignified nor rated by the man or woman serving as CIC. We do what we do for America, for our liberty and freedom! When my son was assigned to the White Communications Agency he asked me if I would be upset. He knew I was not a supporter of the current POTUS. But I told my son it did not matter who was the CIC, we are there to protect and serve that office. That personnel feelings had to be left behind and to just serve with honor. I have served from President Carter all the way through to President George W. Bush and never gave a thought to leaving because of my political views. If anyone even has those thoughts they should hang it up know for they are serving for the wrong reasons.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 10:05 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 10:05:50 -0500

Perhaps , if you feel that is a legitimate question, you should leave now.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 10:47 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 10:47:25 -0500

You can resign if you like. The rest of us will continue to serve this great country. Only here can clowns, like him and others (serving, served, and trying to become the POTUS) even think about running. Some of them try to use their influence to run their agendas, but how much power do they really have? Elected officials are better than people that run things under other means.

Response by SrA Jonathan Carbonaro made Dec 13 at 2015 4:11 PM

SrA Jonathan Carbonaro — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 16:11:21 -0500

Because Presidents of the past have been better "leaders." Most of the stuff he wants to do, probably won't happen.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Dec 13 at 2015 6:01 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 18:01:54 -0500

Maj Bryan Zeski, Sir, the Honor comes from within you; and and each man and woman will have have to look at their up bringing and their SERVICE and LIFE GOALS, and UNIT MISSION, to see if it still compatible at that time of the election. When I was serving, I choose to look at the long term not short, and challaged my team(s) to be the same, or you lost site of of the mission and that's critical. PRISIDENT is 1 8 year or 2 - 8 year team but this is a Career.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 13 at 2015 7:39 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:39:46 -0500

I already resigned once. Though I guess I could resign my reserve commission. I would have to think hard on it.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Dec 13 at 2015 8:01 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:01:30 -0500

If someone can serve under the worst president in history they should be able to suffer through a shot of Trump if he was to get elected (he won't).

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 8:23 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:23:32 -0500

I would not work about it, Sir. There are efforts on both sides to prevent that from happening.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 9:03 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 21:03:58 -0500

Seriously, people come and go (Trump could drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow) your honor and commitment is not to a person!!

Response by SN Greg Wright made Dec 13 at 2015 10:08 PM

SN Greg Wright — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:08:25 -0500

MAJ Bryan Zeski You serve the Constitution, Major, and in the performance of that duty, the office of the POTUS. Not the man. But let me point this out: if everyone who doesn't like Trump left the military, then all there would be left is Trump supporters. Who would voice alternate opinions within the ranks?

I sincerely hope this was a hypothetical, and that you're not considering it. The Army needs men like you, no matter who's (temporarily) sitting in that office.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2015 10:30 PM

MCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:30:53 -0500

In my 30 year career, I heard senior folks say, "If XXX comes to be, I'm getting the hell out," _SO_ many times that if I had a dollar for each one, I could use that instead of my retirement. "Oh, if Reagan is elected again..." "Oh, if that Dukakis/Bush wins in November..." "Damn, if Bush gets in again/If Clinton wins..." "If this 'Don't Ask' shit passes..."

More recently, "If Obama..." "If they let gays serve..." "If women get to..."

And guess what?

Nobody phreaking got out. They modified their behavior and embraced the suck and drove on. Now when I hear it, I just tell them to get the hell out now if they feel so strongly about it. Go ahead, Major. If you're that damned skeert (I live in Alabama), get out now and save us all the pain of listening to you whine. Better yet - get out now and run for local office so perhaps in ten years someone can threaten to take their ball and glove and go home if YOU get elected!

(and I say this as a guy that does NOT support Trump)

Response by PO2 Sam Messer made Dec 13 at 2015 11:21 PM

PO2 Sam Messer — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:21:20 -0500

Trump is way better than what we have as President now. Does is really matter who is President if you really want to serve ?

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Dec 14 at 2015 8:52 AM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:52:08 -0500

You swear your oath to the constitution, right? What part of that says, "unless I disagree with the President's ideas or policies"? I'm surprised the poll shows 20% who claim they'd resign. Their bluff may be put to the test, and less than 1% would resign in Jan 2017 if it happened.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Dec 14 at 2015 9:22 AM

SSG Audwin Scott — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:22:50 -0500

Let me just say, I am glad I am already out!

Response by SGT William Howell made Dec 14 at 2015 12:23 PM

SGT William Howell — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:23:51 -0500

I would stay in. I served under Obama and he is tied for the worst President ever with Jimmy Carter. I mean under Obama's "Leadership" he has torn this country apart from lack of leadership. Couldn't be any worse than that.

Since you decided to get your digs in I thought I would reciprocate.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Dec 14 at 2015 12:28 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:28:25 -0500

I think I'd leave the country...

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 14 at 2015 12:53 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:53:50 -0500

Stay in because it will fall on the military to keep the Country safe, we have already seen what happens when the enemy catches us Sleeping!

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Dec 14 at 2015 3:05 PM

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:05:29 -0500

How could it possibly be worse than serving now?

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Dec 14 at 2015 3:21 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:21:38 -0500

I guess you could ask this about any of the people running for President. But in the military we server our country first and foremost, the Commander in Chief is only there temporarily. But their decisions on how the military is treated are what will drive service members to stay or leave.
In all honesty I doubt that Donald Trump will be elected, people love his straight forward speech but they also dislike his ranting at every hot topic of the moment. Its really hard to tell if Trump is in this for real or he is looking for some personal / business gain.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2015 7:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:47:13 -0500

im gonna consider running for my life but then he might be my commander in chief so ill support him as my leader.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2015 8:25 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:25:02 -0500

Even though I am not Army I consider all of us servicemen/women as "soldiers to a cause". Whether I care for him or not, I'm bound by duty--nuff said.

Response by SCPO Joshua I made Dec 14 at 2015 10:06 PM

SCPO Joshua I — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:06:47 -0500

You didn't resign when Barack Obama was elected president? Neither one is any better than the other.

Ultimately your oath is to the Constitution, so why are you worried about who the President is?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2015 11:51 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:51:53 -0500

We all have different personal beliefs, however; per contractual agreements and oaths, it'd be a very bad decision career-wise.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 1:28 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:28:17 -0500

MAJ Bryan Zeski - I've seen a lot of political biased posts on RP over the last two months due in large part to radical islamic extremism and Donald Trump. They say that perception is reality in the military. The perception of your question leads me to believe that you don't feel that Donald Trump is worthy of your service if he were to be elected president. That is a very immature outlook considering the vast majority of the current standing military are probably still serving in spite of the current POTUS. Essentially, I'm still serving while Obama is in office, you should still serve regardless of who gets elected next. As "Leader" in the military, maybe you should re-think your motivations. You should also review your contacts list and make sure you don't have anyone who falls under your direct leadership as a contact if you are going to let your personal feelings toward a specific president be known.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 7:13 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:13:48 -0500

It would be better than now... much better... morale will be better..

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 8:32 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:32:54 -0500

Is our call to service determined by who the the commander in chief is? That never occurred to me.

Response by SGT Alan Simmons made Dec 15 at 2015 8:49 AM

SGT Alan Simmons — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:49:57 -0500

If I were still in the service, I would stay in. Although the President is Commander in Chief of the nation's armed forces, the questiona I would ask myself is who am I ultimately serving and why am I serving? And to honestly answer that question, which I did have to ask myself under Clinton, the answer was simple - while he WAS commander in chief, I was not serving for him, but because I love my country and I serve my country through my military service. In fact, I reenlisted while Clinton was president not because I believed in what he was doing, but that my military service to my country was BIGGER than any man (or woman) that would live in the White House.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Dec 15 at 2015 11:42 AM

SGT Chris Hill — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:42:00 -0500

All this crying over Trump possibly being elected as president? If we all did ok under Obama's "leadership", it will be nothing worse than Trump. Even though I do not agree with some of the statements he makes, he's the asshole this country needs. He's a master at business, he's obviously not doing it for the money, he's got plenty of that. All we can do as a nation is hope for the best outcome and prepare for the worst. Either way, Major, he's still going to be YOUR president if elected, serving or not.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 12:11 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:11:35 -0500

Sir, a lot had already gave great insight. Why get out, when most of us serve for other purposes, not who's the POTUS?

P.S. There are trolls here, unfortunately, like Captain Miller.....

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 1:14 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:14:32 -0500

The fact that you asked this tells me you should just resign...and that goes for anyone that answered that way.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 15 at 2015 1:15 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:15:47 -0500

You took an oath the protect and defend the Constitution and obey the orders of those appointed over you. Just because you may not like the person or think they are a good leader, doesn't make it right to resign and get out.
Now, if your contract is up then, the choice is all yours.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 3:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:04:13 -0500

I think this points out an interesting question, sir. I think the question stems from your belief that some of the rhetoric and policies endorsed by Trump and some other candidates have been quite ludicrous. So, I'm going to answer the question as if it were framed as, if given the order to execute some of the policies Donald Trump (or others) has endorsed, how would you react?

I think that is completely different. I did take an oath to the Constitution. If I were given any orders to intern Muslim-Americans or be involved in keeping Muslims from entering the country, I do not believe I could execute that order.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 3:07 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:07:26 -0500

We serve the nation and the constitution, not the President. Resigning in protest to a President being elected is counter to everything that we do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 3:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:47:30 -0500

Honestly, if one has to ask that question of a POSSIBLE future president and hasn't already resigned under the CURRENT "president" you (whomever) doesn't get it and are either a full time Pentagon clown clawing up the food chain or living on Mars (not much difference really).

Response by MAJ Alvin B. made Dec 15 at 2015 6:28 PM

MAJ Alvin B. — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:28:36 -0500

IMHO this is not an either/or position.
Both decisions and courses of action are honorable.
Your course of action will depend upon your personal belief and value system. It will be up to the individual to decide which path to follow.
There are some things to carefully consider before making such a critical decision (if you are in a position where you have this option (e.g. not under a service obligation or enlistment commitment), as one is only rarely able to simply resign and walk away.
- Go back and read word for word the oath you swore, not what you think you remember swearing to, but the written oath. Remember, the oath is different for enlisted personnel vice officers/civilians. - Consider the words of the particular oath and your motivations VERY carefully, -- think before you act. Resignation for reasons of conscience is noble and honorable. However, once you make that decision and submit your paperwork. it tends to stick. Resignation is bell you may only ring once, -- if you must leave, ensure you are doing so for the right reason.
- If you decide to stay and serve, again remember your oath and live up to it. If you have issues with the person, focus on the position (office). Once an individual is elected to the office and sworn in, if you decide to stay in, then you must serve to the best of your ability, -- again remember the oath. To do less than your best because you do not like the individual serving in the office is not honorable.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 6:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:49:03 -0500

If the American people elect him, he's our President... resigning isn't going to change that. As for what's honorable, protecting and defending this great nation and her constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic will always be the honorable thing to do and I don't see how resigning will serve that objective.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 6:51 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:51:01 -0500

I think it is more honorable to serve your country. The military doesn't serve at the pleasure of the President. I do not agree with most of what President Obama has done especially with regards to the military but that has not stopped nor will it ever stop me from serving.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Dec 15 at 2015 9:33 PM

SSgt Christopher Brose — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:33:02 -0500

If I can serve under Clinton, you can serve under Trump.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 12:09 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:09:41 -0500

Sir, I have to ask you...,What are you fishing for? Are you in a crisis of conscience? If the current "CINC" does not beg the same question, I'd say your moral compass needs recalibration. We all took the same basic oath he took, yet he gets away with shredding the Constitution. Once you thrust aside your oath, you need to walk away.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Dec 16 at 2015 2:56 AM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:56:12 -0500

I served close to half my career under presidents I thought were useless. The good thing is whoever is in will be gone in 4 years (8 max) . You serve your country, not a president. If you are so politically invested in a certain party that it is going to affect you ability to do your duty than perhaps you should resign.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 3:35 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:35:36 -0500

What an easy question to play devils advocate to. There are certainly more active duty military members who consider themselves conservative in nature.

How do they feel about serving underneath the current Commander in Chief (gasp, a Democrat). Are there active duty out there actually resigning to serve based on President Obama? I doubt it.

You will work for stupid people throughout your careers in the military, the system is set up to keep many total morons in as long as they are willing to stay. Whether you think Trump is an idiot, or our current President is one, they will not be the first or last person you cannot stand working for. Continue to fight the good fight, whether its a red white house, or blue.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Dec 16 at 2015 9:20 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:20:58 -0500

Hell can it be any worse than the Last 8 years?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 10:44 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:44:39 -0500

MAJ Bryan Zeski Since there are so many who dislike him, why are his polls so hight? Are they falsely inflated? Maybe we will see his numbers deflate as people grow tired of his theatrics. Maybe no one will even have to consider resigning or leaving service. After last nights debate, Jeb Bush calling him out on his insulting style, not being the path to win the Presidency, a change of guard could be coming.
My first thought about this photo: What kind of weapon is in his hands, why does he have it on stage, who's that guy in front of him?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 11:02 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:02:30 -0500

Good for you. I would stay away from politics if I were you...

Response by LTC Tom Hartley made Dec 16 at 2015 11:18 AM

LTC Tom Hartley — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:18:38 -0500

He will use the military as a tool to influence... but at least his ROE won't create unnecessary risk for our soldiers and he will let soldiers run the theater.

Response by A1C Wayne Martin made Dec 16 at 2015 11:21 AM

A1C Wayne Martin — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:21:29 -0500

Trump has alienated every demographic except old white guys, and he doesn't have all of them. His presidency is a nonstarter, don't worry about it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 11:23 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:23:38 -0500

You already serve under the worst CinC in our history.....why get out then?

Response by PO1 Pete Sikes made Dec 16 at 2015 11:32 AM

PO1 Pete Sikes — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:32:39 -0500

Why are you in NOW? Why didn't you resign 8 years ago?

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Dec 16 at 2015 11:36 AM

SFC Pete Kain — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:36:03 -0500

Depends on your definition of Honor, Follow your conscious Major.

Response by SPC Eric Cunningham made Dec 16 at 2015 11:38 AM

SPC Eric Cunningham — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:38:17 -0500

Whole I inderstand the sentiment, military service is to the country, not a passing political figure. If I were still in, the only reason a president would cause me to resign would be if his actions and decisions turned my position into a disservice to the nation through illegal or immoral orders, not because I dislike the president.

Response by SFC Joseph McCausland made Dec 16 at 2015 11:45 AM

SFC Joseph McCausland — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:45:29 -0500

When you took your oath to "support and defend" and "obey" the orders of the President of the United States, you will note it didn't say...Except if it is Donald Trump; so I guess, it comes down to whether or not you really meant the words you spoke when you raised your right hand and took, what some of us consider a "solemn oath"

Funny thing, that word "solemn" also means...Sincere, Earnest, Honest, Genuine, Firm, Heartfelt and oh, yes... "Sworn".

What you are proposing is akin to getting married and then jumping into the Limo and driving straight to the Court House to sign "divorce papers". "Think About That!"

Response by SPC Aaron Stephens made Dec 16 at 2015 11:48 AM

SPC Aaron Stephens — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:48:38 -0500

We hear this nonsense every election and no one follows thru.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Dec 16 at 2015 11:49 AM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:49:49 -0500

I would stay in because, as 1SG Private RallyPoint Member pointed out, the country is bigger than one guy. That said, I'd be scared as hell of what's to come. I'm near 100% certain that thin-skinned, loud mouthed ninny would get us into something stupid and alienate every ally we have in the process..

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Dec 16 at 2015 11:57 AM

CPO Randy Francis — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:57:16 -0500

Funny - I did the same thing when Obama was elected.

Response by Capt Dave Horn made Dec 16 at 2015 12:06 PM

Capt Dave Horn — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:06:01 -0500

It would be too early to do something so drastic. If he actually ran our country the way he talks, as a racist with no no regard for American values, the question would have to be asked. Just as with the rise of Hitler though, there would be many who would stay. If our military no longer protects American values, it is time to become part of the solution instead. Let's hope that never happens.

Response by Sgt Mark Ramos made Dec 16 at 2015 12:15 PM

Sgt Mark Ramos — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:15:00 -0500

It would be more honorable to trust in your country and wait to see what actually happens.

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Dec 16 at 2015 12:15 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:15:11 -0500

Sir, it is one thing serving up hateful rhetoric that appeals to his base and gets him the votes and another thing implementing them. A President Trump that begins to round up Muslim or other groups he or his supporters hate will meet with a lot of resistance. I'd continue to serve until he begins to defy the Constitution.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Dec 16 at 2015 12:20 PM

PO3 David Davis — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:20:58 -0500

Why you like your current leadership. His rules of engagement gets people killed.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Hines made Dec 16 at 2015 12:21 PM

LCpl Nicholas Hines — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:21:03 -0500

If you didn't resign while Obama was running the show you won't when Trumb is, no balls

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 12:21 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:21:27 -0500

Most everyone beat me to it...We serve the nation, not it's leadership.

That said, I personally feel that if you question the CIC enough to doubt your ability to follow orders and be a positive leadership example to your people...it's probably more honorable, or at least more practical, to leave.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 12:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:35:52 -0500

I serve any President. You should too.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 12:39 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:39:26 -0500

I don't like the tone of this at all. I am bit taken by this. We all could have said the same thing for the current POTUS. I may not agree with him on all things but I agree that he is my boss and I will do what he say. You don't have to like your boss to do your job. The military may be led by the Commander in Chief but that doesn't mean he directly affects us on a daily basis. I am more concerned about the SecArmy or the CoS.

Response by SGM William Gabbard made Dec 16 at 2015 12:57 PM

SGM William Gabbard — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:57:30 -0500

Hmm. Isn't there a section on the "I'd Really Like A Snowball's Chance of Making O5" exam on Asking Dopey Questions? LOL Happy Hooah Holidays all!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 1:04 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 13:04:40 -0500

Last time I checked we swore an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", no matter who the President may be at the time. In turbulent times it seems that resigning a.k.a. getting out, as a leader, is exactly the wrong direction one should be entertaining. In my humble opinion I believe at times like these we need common sense leaders to stay in order to put more buffers between possible 'toxic' leadership and the troops on the ground. Granted we cannot just disobey any orders given to us from higher, however we are all taught we should NEVER follow an unlawful order. If all common sense leaders get out and 'yes' men stay the chance of unlawful orders being enacted increase immensely.

Response by SPC K Webb made Dec 16 at 2015 1:05 PM

SPC K Webb — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 13:05:34 -0500

If 'someone' would resign under Trump, but continue serving under the current POTUS, I'd say they have fully politicized the issue, and quite frankly, only serve current POTUS because they've romanticized the current POTUS that they can't smell what has been cooking with their head up their rectum. I'm not sure what 'leadership' this POTUS has provided because you can't lead from behind.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Dec 16 at 2015 1:12 PM

COL Jeff Williams — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 13:12:13 -0500

My guess is that you even if Trump is elected you will not resign. My intuition tells me you have nothing else lined up.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 2:00 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:00:09 -0500

Man I felt the same way about President Obama...but yet here I am...we dont serve the man. We obey his orders, but our oath is first and foremost to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and THEN obey the orders of the President...notice which comes first?

The fact you would resign makes you to be a little child...sir.

Quite frankly hes what we need. Hes not afraid to speak his mind, hes not about PC or niceties, and he calls it like he sees em. Its something we need in this country, we as a whole have lost our backbone, our collective strength, and the will to be the Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave.
Im not saying I ll vote for him, or who I will vote for for that matter, but I certainly feel refreshed that a candidate isnt afraid to hurt someone s feelings.

Quite frankly, hes a got a better leadership record and firm grasp on economics than his predecessor has... (IF he gets elected).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 2:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:05:20 -0500

Last time I checked I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I just have one obey lawful orders from the president.

Response by LTC Michael Brantley made Dec 16 at 2015 2:15 PM

LTC Michael Brantley — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:15:11 -0500

And you think the "Cdr-in-Chief" currently sitting in the office shows any positive example of leadership? If that is your concern you should leave the service now. Do not wait for the election. You do not have the proper attitude to serve

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Dec 16 at 2015 2:23 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:23:55 -0500

Obviously there are a ton of people who like them....and it seems to me whether you like the president, it's the office you support...it's the government and your country you support....For the past 8 years, there are millions of people (Military included) who totally dislike Obama, but they have not jumped up and quit just because they don't like him.

Response by 1SG Larry Everly made Dec 16 at 2015 2:56 PM

1SG Larry Everly — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:56:49 -0500

I don't get on RP too often, but this thread jumped out at me when I logged on today. I see the standard reply provided by the Major Bryan Zeski; it's a rhetorical question. That's not a great response and it certainly doesn't provide the writer any cover in my opinion. I would expect a first term enlisted soldier or 2LT to consider posing such a question, but not a Field Grade Officer. Rhetoric or not, I'd say the writer would serve his command properly by resigning his commission now. Please do so before you're put into another command position and allowed to influence others by virtue of your position. Your soldiers, unit, Army and our great nation deserve better!

Response by SGT Barry Third made Dec 16 at 2015 3:03 PM

SGT Barry Third — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:03:50 -0500

removing Illegal aliens , border walls , stop Muslims from entering the U.S. ,, you got my vote

Response by SFC Terry Pease made Dec 16 at 2015 3:07 PM

SFC Terry Pease — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:07:17 -0500

What you should do is retire. Instead of staying in and infecting those around you with a personal bias. Remember you are defending the Constitution. You do not serve a man....you serve the people. The people are in charge...where you draw the line is your oath of office. My question is this...where is your voice with the current President? That man is trampling all over the Constitution and is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood a known Terrorist Organization. This man sent Mc Cain over to seal a deal with the now terrorist organization ISIS gave them weapons and money to overthrow Assad. So do not lecture this combat vet on what right is or is not. We have a fox in the hen house...and cry behind your desk in some office. I retired after 23 years of service in 2012...3 combat tours...and now two of my 3 sons are in the Infantry possibly going over to kill the very thing this administration created. So should they die on foreign lands killing these guys so be it, however understand who created them and allowed them to exist. RLTW.

Response by SFC Terry Pease made Dec 16 at 2015 3:09 PM

SFC Terry Pease — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:09:38 -0500

What you should do is retire. Instead of staying in and infecting those around you with a personal bias. Remember you are defending the Constitution. You do not serve a man....you serve the people. The people are in charge...where you draw the line is your oath of office. My question is this...where is your voice with the current President? That man is trampling all over the Constitution and is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood a known Terrorist Organization. This man sent Mc Cain over to seal a deal with the now terrorist organization ISIS gave them weapons and money to overthrow Assad. So do not lecture this combat vet on what right is or is not. We have a fox in the hen house...and you cry behind your desk in some office about Trump. I retired after 23 years of service in 2012...3 combat tours...and now two of my 3 sons are in the Infantry possibly going over to kill the very thing this administration created. So should they die on foreign lands killing these guys so be it, however understand who created them and allowed them to exist. RLTW.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 16 at 2015 3:29 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:29:33 -0500

If you are enlisted, that would not be an option, unless things at the DOD has changed since my retiring. As to any Commissioned Officer that would think about resigning due to who is in the White House, good riddance. Most have more dedication to the country and their service than that. Bye Bye.

Response by TSgt Aaron D. made Dec 16 at 2015 4:17 PM

TSgt Aaron D. — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:17:58 -0500

For me this has nothing to do with my military service, but it has everything to do with my faith in this country's future. I cannot serve a country where I begin to question their morals and standards. Our country is full of hate and racism which has been fueled by our current President and Donald Trump is 10x worse. I have been patriotic my whole life, but this may be the tip of the iceberg that causes me to immigrate to another country. I will never look back and regret the fact that I performed my duties to my country, but I will tell my grandchildren that I was a part of two wars that I didn't believe in and when I came home I had no pride in my fellow countrymen. I know it's silly to follow up an answer with a question, but I will anyways. Does anyone else feel that in the past 5 or so years they have experienced the same things that I have?

Response by SPC Ed Bullmer made Dec 16 at 2015 4:23 PM

SPC Ed Bullmer — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:23:16 -0500

As stated already, you serve the country. If this is even a question for you I'd recommend you leave now because you're a pussy.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 4:34 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:34:41 -0500

No. I swore to protect the Constitution, not a man. At least under Trump I might get to deploy.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 16 at 2015 4:52 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:52:19 -0500

We need the best in the military.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 5:27 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 17:27:35 -0500

As much as I may disagree with someone, I would not resign over them. Like many others here are saying, one's service is to a cause greater than one person and the four to eight years you might have to call them a Commander-in-Chief.

On a personal level, I have considered the concept of voluntary service and our oaths. They aren't just words. When I commissioned, I felt like I was finally making a public declaration of the calling that's been in my blood for most of my life (and that I will carry unto my last breath). One way or another, we will all hang up the uniform and conclude our official service, but the calling transcends.

That in mind, I think resignation is still a credible matter of honor. There is a classic scenario which perfectly illustrates this: the colonel who resigned his commission after being offered command of an army that was raised by the President to invade his own country. We all have a personal perception of what it means to be American or what America is supposed to be. While the election of one man is not worth resignation, certain decisions and events could be. These could be red flags indicating a progressive rot in the moral and cultural fabric of our society over a prolonged period of time. Occupant of the Oval Office aside, if the nation has changed to such a degree that it is no longer the nation you are willing to die for, then perhaps resignation is fitting. Enduring a couple of administrations you don't concur with is one thing, but there can come a point at which one can say, "this isn't one person. It's bigger. This isn't the country I once knew."

I still believe in America.
God bless these United States. Live free or die.

Response by MCPO Brett Ayer made Dec 16 at 2015 5:41 PM

MCPO Brett Ayer — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 17:41:10 -0500

As many have already said, when I raised my hand it was to support and defend the Constitution. I guess if you feel you can no longer do that, then it's time to hang it up. I don't have to like the guy I work for to do my job.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 6:09 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:09:38 -0500

A President for all intent and purposes is a spokesman. A figurehead. A president is only as strong as the advisers and cabinet that he puts in when elected. The President doesn't have enough time in his day to read up on everything. He gets briefed. Yes, in a lot of cases he may have the final say, but it's the people who make the laws put before him. Not to mention Congress and the Senate need to sign off on the other half. It takes a Platoon to take a hill. A Platoon leader isn't going to take it on his own. Same goes for the President.

Response by CW4 Glen Nardin made Dec 16 at 2015 6:24 PM

CW4 Glen Nardin — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:24:06 -0500

Some believe that the president or the SITREP dictates if and how much we will serve. It's never been the case. I remember an Army sergeant telling me in the 90s that even though he was chosen to guard the president, he "would not take a bullet for him." That's just trash talk, that's all it is. I knew by talking to him for two minutes that he really would "take a bullet" for anyone because if his mission required it, he was was there to be "the one."

So why do military folks say stuff like that? They are blowing off the steam of frustrations, laughing at danger or looking for a reason to get out the service. Pretty much, those three things cover it. You can spend two minutes with anyone and detect where they fall under those reasons. If they are looking to get out, I frankly would encourage them to do so. I used to always council my unit members at "re-up time" to prepare both to get out and to stay in. I would also say that you never know how long you have to serve in the military and you have the opportunity to prepare for civilian life by getting college under your belt or other prep. If the soldier had (or thought he/she had) potential to ascend the ranks, then I would encourage them to apply for the right military courses and request reassignment to the jobs that would help them get there.

Politicians and political decisions are always going to be potentially volatile to the military and we just cannot waste our time worrying about the next election or the next decision. Not our job!

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Dec 16 at 2015 6:35 PM

TSgt Marco McDowell — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:35:39 -0500

Starting from President number one until now, there will always be someone who isn't in favor of their policies. From the first campaign, candidates say what they feel people want to hear. Then the reality of the position sets in and they have to adjust accordingly. I didn't/don't agree with everything the Presidents I've served under have done or said but my mission wasn't to them, it was to the nation and more selfishly, my family and friends. Unless a guy is planning on becoming Emperor, I dismiss all of the rhetoric coming from Washington and campaign trails...it's politics.

Response by Cpl Robert McFarland made Dec 16 at 2015 8:29 PM

Cpl Robert McFarland — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:29:42 -0500

Response by Cpl Robert McFarland made Dec 16 at 2015 8:37 PM

Cpl Robert McFarland — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:37:06 -0500

I endured Beirut Lebanon in 1983... not because Ronald Reagan put us there... but because The Terrorists that were Hijacking Planes in Beirut International Airport were killing American Citizens!

Response by MAJ Michael Moffeit made Dec 16 at 2015 10:44 PM

MAJ Michael Moffeit — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:44:21 -0500

The military is trying to down-size right now anyway. If you don't feel the desire to continue service because of who the American people elect, I'm pretty sure your service branch will be happy to oblige.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 10:50 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:50:19 -0500

It would be most honorable for you to actually do your job instead worrying about politics. Unless you consider yourself a quitter since a president only serves a maximum of 8 years given the fact that a military career is 20 to 30 years. 900 years years if you turn in your commission and go Warrant.

Response by SGM Ray Whitaker made Dec 16 at 2015 10:59 PM

SGM Ray Whitaker — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:59:48 -0500

1SG Private RallyPoint Member said it best. You volunteer to serve your country. You serve to ensure the freedoms of our citizens to vote for the best candidate for your Commander in Chief.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 12:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:22:34 -0500

I may try and go back on active duty, he may un-pussify the army!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 12:35 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:35:13 -0500

Either way - thanks for your service.

Response by PO2 Robert W. made Dec 17 at 2015 1:17 AM

PO2 Robert W. — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 01:17:10 -0500

Major, I'm going to say this and it's gonna sound ugly.
With all due respect.
That is the dumbest, most ill informed and selfish question I have ever read posted from an officer in the US Military.
You worked your butt off to become a major in the Army; now you are looking at a small part of a horribly skewed, political theater cycle that occurs every four years; while considering screwing your career away. Did you consider that this is political theater, it is all propaganda, mal-truths and biased media reports? We, as service members, never know the truth about politicians, but we serve regardless of their theatrics.
It appears to me that you have not been paying very much attention to the Belt Way (inside DC) for the last 20 or so years. That place is a cesspool of corruption, mal-truths, and false convictions. Yet we all swear/swore an oath to defend it and hope those civilians don't get us all killed.
So, if you have such a weak stature that one political candidate would cause you to forsake your oath. Maybe you might want to go ahead and resign. You could teach high school history or drivers ed.
But that is just my experience. Best of luck in what ever you decide.

Response by PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith made Dec 17 at 2015 1:21 AM

PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 01:21:42 -0500

Honestly sir, if the person, whomever they may be, that is elected to this country makes you feel so strongly about it, you should resign. If your hearrt isn't in, you have no business leading soldiers. Or, you could just suck it up and do your job.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Dec 17 at 2015 1:28 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 01:28:59 -0500

Duplicate post

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Dec 17 at 2015 8:47 AM

MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:47:27 -0500

I think it is a fair question. If you really do not feel that you can serve under the leadership of a president, you should just quit. What are the other options? Lead an armed rebellion against the duly elected president? Since rebellion is probably not the best choice, then your options are to shut up and do your duty, as the much maligned 1SG stated, or quit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 9:10 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:10:49 -0500

Only a racist would pose such a stupid question. I have served under every US President since Gerald Ford beginning in 1976. Some I liked and some I didn't but I swore an oath, it's that simple. Obama has been the worst by far however I continued to serve because I was serving my Viuntry not it's divisive racist President. I hope my answer helps answer this absolutely absurd question. Soldier on Major or get out. The Army is down sizing anyway right now. No one individual is that important anyway.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Dec 17 at 2015 10:27 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:27:51 -0500

If you took an oath, as I am sure you did, you swore to preserve, protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. Using your logic I would have taken a discharge after 4 years because of Jimmy Carter. I served my country. The POTUS is the civilian figurehead of the military. I swore no allegiance to him, whomever he may be. If you believe that if Trump is elected that you could not in good conscience continue to serve, then chuck your career, resign your commission and go get a job. Considering you are a Major, that means you have at least 7-10 years invested. You can do ten more standing on your head and walk at 20. I don't have to make the decision, you do and must live with the ramifications of that decision.

Response by Sgt Paul McCarthy made Dec 17 at 2015 12:27 PM

Sgt Paul McCarthy — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:27:19 -0500

I'd have to say-out the outset 1) if you're not asking the same thing of our current president, yet you do of someone who is not even elected yet then your fundamental principle is flawed-every president has his flaws- the current one more than most and potentially more than Trump. 2) that you need some insight on what it is you serve-that being a nation. A nation whose principles reflect the idea of a president, not the man himself. The idea that a man is chosen from among the people to serve their interests at home and abroad. That this man has only a limited time to do his best or worst, then someone else gets a chance. Our peaceful overthrow of the government every election cycle, instead of a constant bloodletting to maintain or attain power.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 17 at 2015 12:44 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:44:31 -0500

Could this question be used against Mrs. Clinton if she wins? We swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemy's foreign and domestic, notice this comes before everything else. We have a moral obligation to the Constitution, if the President violates that, there ways of removing him/her, without the threat of violence or insurrection. Both good and bad residents come and go.

Response by MSG Barry Kerby made Dec 17 at 2015 12:51 PM

MSG Barry Kerby — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:51:15 -0500

The underlying question you must answer is much different than the question posed, and that question is: "Why do you serve?" If you serve because you believe the Constitution is the founding document that deserves protection, then the answer to the Trump question is you continue to serve. If the American people elect Trump through our democratic election process, albeit flawed, then you are serving for the honor of upholding our constitutional tradition. If you would rather resign, then what does that say about your oath? You do know the greatest sacrifice we make when we serve is to protect the rights of those we disagree with, whether it's Trump or Clinton. Once you get that concept, the choice about serving is easy. You're not serving the "man in office," you're serving the people and protecting their constitutional rights.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 12:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:59:45 -0500

I don't see how who the POTUS is should make that choice for you. I know a lot of people that do not like President Obama, but they are still serving. I know a lot of people that did not like President Bush but they still served. What is in your heart and possibly your family should be the only things that contribute to your choice to stay in the Military or end your service.

With all of that being said I would like to point out one last thing.
As i tell all of my soldiers when I hear them speaking about him.
No matter if your feelings toward him are good, bad, or indifferent President Obama is still the President of the United States. Your Commander and Chief. He should be addressed as such. I don't go around calling my COL by his last name and would get reamed if I did. I don't go around calling my 1SG or Commander by their last name and would get reamed if I did. SO therefor we should not disrespect the office of the President of these United States by doing the exact opposite of that which we have been taught and know to be right.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Dec 17 at 2015 3:29 PM

CSM Michael Poll — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:29:06 -0500

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Response by LTJG Robert M. made Dec 17 at 2015 4:01 PM

LTJG Robert M. — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:01:59 -0500

If you are currently serving, you have served, IMHO, under the worst president, this country has ever seen.

Response by SGT Alexander Hildenbrandt made Dec 17 at 2015 5:34 PM

SGT Alexander Hildenbrandt — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:34:09 -0500

Sir,
We are the only constitutional army. You don't serve one leader but the people and the document that sets our values as a nation into a framework. That idea is what I served while I was in and what all soldiers follow now. Should the president do what is unconstitutional you have the duty to correct that action and by force if necessary. Our current leadership is close to needing a reminder but should Trump take office and you decide to get out, know that you will be the only reason you got out. The Army will continue without you just as it has without some of the greatest leaders during these years of war. Major, you are not that important. If you don’t want to be in because it sucks, I got you. I know more than most but relying on rhetoric from either side is not a basis for career change from an organization subordinate to a document. Got to rely on the generals to be men of worth and testicular fortitude. Even the ones without testiculars.
To me bro, it just sounds like you are coming to a career change and you are reaching for something to give you an excuse to leave. You feel you’re honorable and that you serve for honorable purposes. You are at the infamous contention point when Majors get whittled down so you may be experiencing anxiety, so extending for feedback about getting out as a result of something else. Sir, stay in and like what you do if you can help it but no matter what, prepare to get out eventually and do something you are passionate about. Be happy for what we have and know that people got your back when it’s your time to leave the military. Merry Christmas
Alex

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 17 at 2015 8:30 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:30:33 -0500

Prepare for a nuclear war!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 8:57 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:57:13 -0500

What is he going to do? Shoot an apple off Hillary's chin?

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Dec 17 at 2015 10:57 PM

Sgt Able Snider — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:57:32 -0500

You would resign because Trump got elected but stayed in while this idiot ran the country into the ground? Wtf?!

Response by SFC Brian Johnson made Dec 18 at 2015 1:16 AM

SFC Brian Johnson — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:16:02 -0500

If you were gonna get out because of a man, You were in for the wrong reason and were looking for a reason to get out so you can place blame instead of accept responsibility and the Military is probably better off without you!.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Dec 18 at 2015 5:01 AM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 05:01:56 -0500

Is Trump my first choice; no. But I'd take Trump, or any Republican for that matter, over a feckless idiot like Obama. Think what you want about trump but realize that the man has proven he is not stupid or incompetent.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 6:42 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:42:44 -0500

This post needs to die and go away.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Dec 18 at 2015 9:24 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:24:30 -0500

I'd say by virtue of your question you don't have the leadership, discipline and demeanor needed to lead so I say resign. Because if you haven't resigned under this POTUS then I'm not sure of your priorities.
Will you hold yourself to that same question in civilian life? Every time your boss or CEO changes you going to quit if you don't like his or her 'leadership' style? Good luck with that.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Dec 18 at 2015 3:45 PM

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:45:03 -0500

Stay in, I served under President Obama and I wasn't a fan of his policies. You duty is to the Constitution of the United States of America, and it's people since they are what the Constitution serves and protects. Peace.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 9:33 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:33:51 -0500

I took an oath and part of that oath was "...to obey the orders of the President of the United States and those officer appointed over me....." I have always followed the orders given to me, even if I disagreed. And I never let my Airman, Soldiers, Sailors, or Marines under my charge know if I agree or disagree. If at any time a person feels like they can not obey the order, then they should leave the service immediately.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Dec 18 at 2015 10:21 PM

SSgt Thomas L. — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:21:19 -0500

When I was 26, I enlisted under Bush, a president whose policies I deeply disagreed with. I did it because I wanted to serve and because I wanted to be a part of the process, not just a bystander. After Obama took office I saw some sickening public displays of disrespect from my fellow service members toward their CIC, so you should feel no shame for airing your views about Trump. However as a leader, it's your responsibility to pass on and carry out all lawful orders handed down to you. Everyone has their own limits, just as everyone has their own reasons for serving. If the thought of serving under an individual whom you do not respect is enough for you to get out, that's disappointing to me, but it's your choice. I will not answer your poll because it's not my decision to make.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Dec 19 at 2015 1:08 AM

SSgt Thomas L. — Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:08:32 -0500

It appears as though you're not alone. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/16/pentagon-troops-it-s-us-or-trump.html

Pentagon Officers: We Quit if Trump Wins

The plans of the next president are personal to the officers of the Pentagon, who are threatening to retire if The Donald becomes commander-in-chief.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Dec 19 at 2015 11:33 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:33:53 -0500

I initially down voted you, but thought better of it. I feel that if you have the option to resign then by all means do so. MAJ Bryan Zeski many Soldiers have endured a brutal disagreement with the current and the previous POTUS and served professionally. Yet, if you feel you cannot serve professionally it would be better for the Army and the nation as a whole if you recognized this and left your spot for someone who is willing to be professional.

Response by MSgt K C made Jan 5 at 2016 2:45 AM

MSgt K C — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:45:49 -0500

I swore an oath and remained professional regardless of who was in the Whitehouse. If you can't serve honorably because you don't agree with the CINC then I say get the hell out. You're even asking the question shows you have a complete lack of principal.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Mar 4 at 2016 9:41 AM

Capt Walter Miller — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:41:04 -0500

Well, someone insulted me then blocked me, not a big surprise.

Walt

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Mar 4 at 2016 10:24 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:24:16 -0500

The Thais have a saying....Up to you! I served under one of the worst POTUS in history, Carter. I finished my term of enlistment which was under another POTUS. If you are going to let the election of a POTUS determine your career path, then I question your ability as a leader.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Mar 7 at 2016 5:31 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:31:49 -0500

How about be apolitical and do your job.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Apr 24 at 2016 11:40 PM

CSM Felipe Mendez — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:40:08 -0400

Sir, your question brought me to think about all the bad Commander/Leaders that I served under. Even though I did not agree/like them, I fully support them and gave them my 110% support. You opening a can of worms here. Soldiers cannot quit because they do not like their leader/commander, PLT Leader etc. I had the opportunity to serve under few presidents during my 31 years of military service and yes, some were good, others not, but they were my commander in chief and my loyalty was to the military and my country. Bringing this type of question make me think that you are disgusted with the military and you are looking for a reason to call it a quit. I would tell you, thanks you for your great service and support to this great nation, but if this makes you think about resigning the best you can do for your soldiers, unit and the military is to turn in your military ID card into the nearest military facility and join the civilian work force in which “he” trump would still be the president of the United States.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 2:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:43:27 -0400

I would say for you to resign. Thats one more good idea fairy officer that doesnt get it NOT IN UNIFORM so please leave the military. Good idea fairys have ruined the military the last 7 and a half years.

Response by MSG Darold R. made Mar 18 at 2023 1:26 AM

MSG Darold R. — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 01:26:35 -0400

I served under Trump and thank God every day I never had to serve under Biden!