If building walls on our borders is an actual priority why isn't there any serious discussion of walling off our northern border as well?

2016-06-11T15:27:32-04:00

I believe building a wall or walls on borders is a fruitless endeavour and will only result in an ungodly amount of wasted time and money.

As I see it the only way to end the problem at our southern border is to end the war on drugs. Have the government manufacture, tax, and sell the currently banned substances. It would eliminate the cartels and improve the quality of life south of the border.

Response by SSG Pete Fleming made Jun 11 at 2016 3:30 PM

2016-06-11T15:30:47-04:00

Because illegals and criminals don't abuse that border... not to the degree they do the southern. You never hear of Canadians illegally crossing that border... and there are no nations north of them that use their country as a passage, other than Santa Clause he doesn't stay, he always goes home...

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Jun 11 at 2016 3:31 PM

2016-06-11T15:31:03-04:00

You make some good points (I'm also in favor of ending the failed "War on Drugs" for example). However, you can't fault a nation for wanting a secure border... it's hard to argue against that.

I think your analogy to the Berlin Wall is not exactly apt here. The Berlin Wall was intended to keep the East German citizens IN, whereas a US border wall is intended to keep illegal activity OUT. The efficacy of such an effort can be challenged, but your drawing an analogy to the Berlin Wall distracts from your argument and unnecessarily antagonizes (have you noticed the latter is a pattern in many of your posts?).

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 11 at 2016 3:35 PM

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Response by SN Greg Wright made Jun 11 at 2016 3:47 PM

2016-06-11T15:47:14-04:00

This is the dumbest idea ever floated by any politician, ever. It didn't work in Germany. It's not going to work here. I mean, ffs, you can take a five minute BOAT RIDE (unless they're going to wall hundreds of miles out to sea?!) and get around the thing! Never mind climbing or digging!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 4:42 PM

2016-06-11T16:42:44-04:00

The unrealistic plan to build a wall along our southern border is not about security but rather about racism. It's to keep out, as The Donald so eloquently put it, their drugs, criminals, and rapists.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jun 11 at 2016 5:50 PM

2016-06-11T17:50:12-04:00

I'm going to skip over the walls (see what I did there? lol) and engage you on a subject that we might agree on. I don't think drugs should be legalized wholesale, but I do think naturally grown plant based drugs are a good possible source of income and fairly safe (cocaine should possibly be regulated to a prescription based drug). You want the government to manufacture (cultivate?) such drugs? How would you staff such operations? Would you think current cartels might pose a security threat? Should we have military security on such cultivation sites or would it be a possible avenue for Veteran employment?

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Jun 11 at 2016 6:48 PM

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Forget the Wall! if we were REALLY serious about the interdiction of drugs, undocumented Immigrants, and now terrorists, we would invade Mexico and set up a 50-100 mile "Buffer Zone" along our southern flank, that would be neither US territory, but would be under US Military and Civil Control. This would give us something like a defense in depth approach to many of the problems with our border security.

This of course is too radical a solution to a decades old problem with our Southern neighbor. yes we can blame ourselves for our drug demand, but the Mexicans down to the campesinos in the fields, know they are making and selling a death dealing product to people living in the US. So I call this a form of Low Intensity Warfare or Chemical Warfare against our population. It is not racist to demand that Mexico do more to stop the flood of drugs and unlawful immigrants coming to the US Border and through it.

Plus the Narco terrorists operating just south of the border have now largely taken over the Human Smuggling Business and are becoming more violent against the People they are smuggling and the US Border Patrol agent who are trying to stop them. It is a crime that Border Patrol Agents are still working alone, instead of in teams of two or three, and that they are not routinely wearing SAPI Plate carriers that can protect them from 5.56/and 7.62 Rifle ammunition. They should also be carrying AR-15s (or their equivalent such as 5.56 Israeli Tavor rifles routinely). The Border violence is at a new level now with Narco Smugglers armed with AK-47 type 7.62x39 semi auto rifles. Mexico is this side of a failed state. In many places it IS a failed state where the central government has lost control. We need to start treating the Mexican government as a failed state and take better means to protect ourselves.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 7:19 PM

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Start by deporting Justin Beiber!

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Jun 11 at 2016 7:20 PM

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Good afternoon,

Israel built fences and berms. It brought Islamic murder to almost a stand still. Mexico has a wall on it's southern border.

The reason our southern border is the largest immigration zone in the world is because we are marked for death. A North American Union is the agenda. American culture has to be changed/destroyed for it to happen. RINO's and Democrats have sold out for money to fund their campaigns. It's the unwashed Americans that stand in the way. A lot of them are in the military.

A direct assault on the Constitution and Bill of Rights will be seen as an act of war. These last 50 years have been a slow boil for the frog.

M. Morris RVT

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 7:20 PM

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That's what's called a false comparison.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 11 at 2016 8:22 PM

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You have conflated two issues here. I totally agree with your assessment about the war on drugs. Nothing has done more to mortally wound the Rule of Law: Corrupt law enforcement agencies, overtax penal institutions, etc. Also, I somewhat agree about your criticism of the wall as being an overly expensive and likely ineffective barrier. However, I believe that there is a great debate underlying all this which you have missed: Does the United States have a right to protect its sovereign borders? That is the overriding issue, the one that we are talking around when we discuss walls or whatever form of barrier. I believe we do, we must. Now, let's see how people respond to that challenge.

Response by 2d Lt Mitch Curry made Jun 11 at 2016 8:29 PM

2016-06-11T20:29:39-04:00

I completely agree. There's a (large) hint of racism in building a wall only along our southern border as well.
Bottom line for me is stopping the drug trade, because a wall is just going to force cartels to be more creative... Or destructive.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 8:36 PM

2016-06-11T20:36:04-04:00

I suppose that if we had a massive influx of illegal immigrants and drugs coming across our northern border, we would talk about building a wall there also, but since we don't, it hasn't come up. I think that was a question with a very obvious answer, to be honest.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 8:45 PM

2016-06-11T20:45:59-04:00

While legalizing banned substances would take money from cartels, it would not destroy them. They would simply refocus their energy on human trafficking, black market organ sales, and the arms trade.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2016 9:54 PM

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In the state of Washington, legalizing marijuana did nothing to stop black market sales. So I do not believe the cartels would be eliminated.

Response by CW2 Stephen Pate made Jun 11 at 2016 10:26 PM

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I have been thinking about this a lot lately, and I don't know if a wall will help our not. The reason I say this is that I'm sure it wont be funded or staffed properly. If it was it would work. But I had another thought on this too. Why don't we just take over Mexico? Make it a territory like Puerto Rico or something, then sink some money into it, clean it up, and then make it the 51st state? Hell, why not? I don't see any other way to help the Mexican people.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Jun 11 at 2016 10:44 PM

2016-06-11T22:44:29-04:00

Yeah the talk of walls is a bit silly. The problem is economic in nature, not obstacle-centric.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 11 at 2016 11:40 PM

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Because we do not have millions of undocumented Illegal Canadians flooding the United States

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 12:16 AM

2016-06-12T00:16:26-04:00

How about this and you won't have to build a wall. Illegals will leave in droves.

1. Make it a crime to hire any illegal alien. If you hire them you forfeit your business to the government and it is auctioned off.

2. If any state allows a "sanctuary city" it loses all highway funding, school lunch funding etc.

3. If any state issues official state ID to an illegal alien they also lose all federal funding.

4. If an individual rents a home or apartment to an illegal they forfeit that property and it is sold at auction.

5. Illegal aliens are not allowed to attend any school, college or university or the school loses accreditation and federal funding.

6. If you want to vote you have to prove your citizenship and have a voter ID card. Get rid of "early voting" and make election day a national holiday so people don't have an excuse to not vote.

7. If any person is found to have overstayed their visa they go to prison for 2 years and then get deported.

8. Pass a law so that just because you are born here does not make you a citizen. You have to be born here by two parents who are here legally with permanent resident status.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 12 at 2016 12:55 AM

2016-06-12T00:55:54-04:00

There are drug tunnels under the Canadian border as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_G0rMn86Y

DRUG TUNNEL Canada - U.S..mp4

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Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 1:28 AM

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because Canada has a border that often cuts through buildings or small streets in the NE. I recall a library where it cut through a room. bizarre.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 2:16 AM

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I wouldn't worry about that. I'm sure Canada has some ideas about it of their own that they will initiate.

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Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jun 12 at 2016 12:50 PM

2016-06-12T12:50:43-04:00

We probably should based on all the Canadians that are attempting to get here and gain citizenship. You see train loads of them each and every day. (sarcasm) Your subtle message is quite clear.

When it comes to the Canadians, if you have ever gone there on business, you will find they are very selective as to who enters their country and will make sure why you are visiting and when you will be leaving, and what you are carrying each way. Since Obamacare, the traffic has slowed down considerably. Both countries now have crappy healthcare.

Response by SPC Kirk Gilles made Jun 12 at 2016 2:04 PM

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I would venture to say that the War On Drugs was lost to the War For Drugs. What is this fascination with destroying oneself through drug use? Please show examples of all the good things drug use and drug users bring to the table of Mankind? Has anyone seen first hand the incredible benefits of Meth? Coke? Ice? Crack? Pot? Have bridges been built by potheads? Have major surgical advances been made by Cranksters? Has Meth cured cancer yet?
Please don't fall back on the hackneyed "Alcohol" is a drug too. Fine we get that.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 2:55 PM

2016-06-12T14:55:07-04:00

Have you actually ever been to both borders? I have. There is a big difference between them, and the most obvious (and regular) threats come from Mexico. That's not racist that's just true.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Jun 12 at 2016 3:23 PM

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Perhaps b/c the number of illegals coming in from Canada is a tiny fraction of those coming in from the South? Perhaps it's b/c it's about impossible when we've proved unable to build one on the Southern, much shorter and more dangerous border? Perhaps b/c the only one mentioning it are attempting to ridicule or label attempts to secure the other border as a waste?

I agree the War on Drugs has something to do w/the border mess but pls note even the progs are not talking much about ending that either as many of them see all that extra police power/BoRs erosion very useful. Both parties see usefulness in the border mess for different reasons, some are very blatant such as garnering votes based on race.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 4:06 PM

2016-06-12T16:06:14-04:00

Border enforcement is the closest we can come to a jobs program in this country with Republicans controlling congress... so I'm ok with more border security. The problem with border security today, is that billions of dollars in illicit commerce will always be able to punch a hole in our huge southern border.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jun 12 at 2016 8:29 PM

2016-06-12T20:29:10-04:00

For too long our borders have not been taken care of. There are laws on the book, so enforce them. You can't compare Berlin wall with what Trump wants to do. Trump wants to secure the border, keep the trash out. Berlin Wall was to keep people in.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Jun 13 at 2016 12:44 AM

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Well, illegal narcotics coming across our border are only part of the problem. The bigger problem is all the illegal immigrants who are exhausting our health care system and tax-payer-funded social entitlement programs. And you are wrong that a wall won't work. In areas on our border where the wall has been built, the flow of illegal aliens has been reduced to a manageable trickle. Tell the Israelis how walls don't work and watch them laugh at you. Ask Eastern Europeans how well walls and fences worked on their borders during the cold war. The mantra that the wall won't work is just liberal bullshit propaganda.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2016 8:40 AM

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The last time I checked the Northern border wasn't being crossed by millions of illegal aliens! If it was I am sure we would be talking about it.

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Jun 13 at 2016 12:30 PM

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Our northern border isn't being talked about because we don't have the security problems there that we do on the southern border. Our porous southern border is a clear and present danger to U.S. national security. If drug smugglers and illegal immigrants can get into our country from the south, what's to stop terrorists from entering the country from there? The point of maybe building a wall along our southern border is to show the country that we're serious about at least trying to make the border more secure.

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Jun 13 at 2016 2:50 PM

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Because we don't have a problem with our Canuck friends illegally entering the US.

Response by SPC Deon Holmes made Jun 15 at 2016 7:20 AM

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Because the people are already prisoner in their minds. Building a wall is silly! The real problem is much deeper than I'm going to get into, but there is one truth that isn't going to surface in any news story or online discussion. The people Trump wants to build a wall to keep out, are IN THEIR NATIVE INDIGENOUS HOMELAND! They have been walking these lands long before the europeans even knew the Americas (north to south) even existed. It's a truth that can't be undone with a lie of being an American when your bloodline comes from euroasia. It's the truth and it's one that many don't like to hear or talk about. The Olmec's and other dark skin people are the only true Americans! The rest came by boat or through the long gone straits.
Those in government know this to be true, and can't build a wall.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 8:24 PM

2016-06-18T20:24:06-04:00

anyone notice how the border wall in the berlin diagram, is entirely built on the side that was oppressive? is that what we want to become?

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jul 1 at 2016 5:07 PM

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Cause Ted Cruz wouldn't be able to go back home!

Response by PO1 Roger Waddle made Jul 6 at 2016 1:45 PM

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our north border is more secure than the white house...lol any doubts go try to take a picture