SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5507878 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So I’m scheduled to take an ACFT in BLC. I can do the 2 Mi event. However as a future NCO I wanted to know about the Alternate aerobic events. So I noticed it has 5000M rower, 15000M bike and 1000M swim. <br />My question is if a SM can’t do a 2 MI run due to a profile why is the 5000M row even an option.<br />Anyone who has done rowers knows it’s a full body workout. the bike and swim are extremely low stress aerobic exercise. <br /><br />This post is for opinions and advice. I know there are different events based for different profiles. 2020-02-01T14:33:43-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5507878

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So I’m scheduled to take an ACFT in BLC. I can do the 2 Mi event. However as a future NCO I wanted to know about the Alternate aerobic events. So I noticed it has 5000M rower, 15000M bike and 1000M swim. <br />My question is if a SM can’t do a 2 MI run due to a profile why is the 5000M row even an option.<br />Anyone who has done rowers knows it’s a full body workout. the bike and swim are extremely low stress aerobic exercise. <br /><br />This post is for opinions and advice. I know there are different events based for different profiles.

2020-02-01T14:33:43-05:00 2020-02-01T14:33:43-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5507932

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That&#39;s exactly why it&#39;s an alternate event. It&#39;s a good cardio measure. Lots of people with bone spurs, plantar fasciitis, knee injuries, Achilles tendinitis, and compartment syndrome in their calves can&#39;t handle the impact of running but can row just fine. The row is a no impact exercise, the equipment is lighter, cheaper, more readily available, and easier to use than the specified bike as well. Anyone who would be able to walk should be able to row.

2020-02-01T14:52:52-05:00 2020-02-01T14:52:52-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 5507989

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Rowing and biking are low impact exercises vs running which is a high impact exercise that is tough on the knees and feet and back. <br /><br />Still interested in seeing how they are going to handle the leg tuck for anyone with shoulder or back issues.

2020-02-01T15:06:04-05:00 2020-02-01T15:06:04-05:00 SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth 5508047

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was in you could either ride the bike, or do a 2.5 mile walk.

2020-02-01T15:30:20-05:00 2020-02-01T15:30:20-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5508142

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They’re effectively trying to push people out that have profiles and they’re bringing back the stigma around being broken because of the impact the army has on the body.<br /><br />The most common injuries (back, knees, hips, shoulders) are directly effected by all of the ACFT events. <br /><br />As if the high failure rates in the testing units weren’t eye opening enough, they’re going to get a real wake up call when the army wide failure rates start rolling in from all components.

2020-02-01T16:05:24-05:00 2020-02-01T16:05:24-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5508180

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because the row is more feasible than the bike. The bike is rough, APFT is 6.2 miles in 25 min, but the ACFT is 9.3 miles in 25 min... that’s about a 22 mph pace...

2020-02-01T16:21:43-05:00 2020-02-01T16:21:43-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 5508252

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Also last FRAGO I read said TRADOC schoolhouse commanders could substitute alternate event for the ACFT at their discretion if a SM could not pass an event (ie the leg tuck) to pass the school. They are given a little more wiggle room. I would say work with your cadre at the schoolhouse as I am sure they have a plan for those on profiles.

2020-02-01T16:58:49-05:00 2020-02-01T16:58:49-05:00 SGM Erik Marquez 5508447

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Turn it around the other way....<br />If a service member CAN NOT do the run, or alt event row, ride, swim, then are they really fit for deployment and combat?<br /><br />If they are not fit for deployment and combat why would you want them in Army? <br /><br />The point of the ACFT is to demonstrate your Army combat fitness, ready able to deploy, do your job, come home. <br /><br />The alternate event is there to allow you to prove that fitness in something other then a run.<br />They came up with 5000M rower, 15000M bike and 1000M swim which can show you have that minimal level of acceptable combat aerobic fitness.<br />Alternate events were not built to say, &quot;oh your not fit, well ok then here is an easier event&quot; <br /><br />If you do not posses the minimal fitness standard (talking permanent profile here, not temp) you should be med boarded or otherwise separated. That does not make you a bad person, just one not fit enough for military service.

2020-02-01T17:53:28-05:00 2020-02-01T17:53:28-05:00 CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member 5508663

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>USMC was 3 miles. Max points for 18 min. Anything above 28 min. failed. It&#39;s changed a lot though. Uphill both ways, with combat load, and through a foot of snow. J/K. Pre 1965 PRT was a different story, and pretty tough. 5 events ending with 3 mile run/walk (timed), carrying weapon and with light marching pack, H-harness and 2 full canteens. Ole Corps.

2020-02-01T19:05:52-05:00 2020-02-01T19:05:52-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 5509331

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The row is aerobic but low to no impact on the lower kinetic chain.

2020-02-01T23:15:09-05:00 2020-02-01T23:15:09-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5509371

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The reason is because if an individual can complete one of the three approved alternate events, it’s a good measure as to whether they can achieve the same results down range. <br /><br />It is also a way to get rid of the individuals who are always on profile

2020-02-01T23:41:03-05:00 2020-02-01T23:41:03-05:00 SSG Dale London 5514207

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The alternate events are there to deal with different profiles. I am sure there is an injury out there where a run is countra-indicated but rowing is perfectly okay.

2020-02-03T10:09:42-05:00 2020-02-03T10:09:42-05:00 SFC Kelly Fuerhoff 5515008

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There was absolutely zero thought put into the alternates for the ACFT - they didn&#39;t even want to put any alternates on until legal said they had to have alternate events of some type. So they decided to make the alternates harder it seems and attempt to force people off profile or be discharged. That&#39;s the common thought and what people have heard behind the scenes that big Army doesn&#39;t care if they have a smaller force as long as it&#39;s &quot;fit.&quot; <br /><br />However I have also heard they may delay it another 6-12 months but that&#39;s RUMINT. <br /><br />No there aren&#39;t different events for different profiles. For the aerobic alternate it&#39;s row, bike and swim. To be deployable on a permanent profile the bare minimum one needs is deadlift, SDC and an aerobic event.

2020-02-03T14:04:48-05:00 2020-02-03T14:04:48-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5515197

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Different events for different profiles. It’s always been that way. My permanent profile is for sit ups only and honestly once the ACFT goes into effect I may look at having my profile removed.

2020-02-03T14:49:14-05:00 2020-02-03T14:49:14-05:00 CSM Richard StCyr 5515526

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They all measure aerobic endurance and account for differing profiles that prevent running.

2020-02-03T16:40:24-05:00 2020-02-03T16:40:24-05:00 WO1 Private RallyPoint Member 5524814

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s all about impact. I&#39;ve dodged a running profile for 6 years because the Walk is horrible, but rowing 5km is insanely easy on the knees.

2020-02-05T22:02:35-05:00 2020-02-05T22:02:35-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 7399050

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I know this is a year old but I will throw another curve ball. If you have a no run profile technically speaking you can’t do the SPRINT drag carry event either which is mandatory. So it sounds like a grey area in most cases. Medboard ?

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