1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member2868044<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a Soldier falls for an illegal immigrant and wants to marry that person, will their Security Clearance be in question?2017-08-26T01:25:58-04:001SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member2868044<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a Soldier falls for an illegal immigrant and wants to marry that person, will their Security Clearance be in question?2017-08-26T01:25:58-04:002017-08-26T01:25:58-04:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member2868064<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>More than likelyResponse by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2017 1:41 AM2017-08-26T01:41:04-04:002017-08-26T01:41:04-04:001SG Private RallyPoint Member2868098<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Depends on level of clearance and in what way the immigrant is illegal and whether there are additional issues with that person.<br />The Soldier needs to be up front and report the relationship so the security manager can initiate a review. Immigration status would change with a (presumably) US citizen sponsor, so that part would sort itself out eventually when they marry.<br />As a leader I would be counseling the Soldier, because as anyone who has been in the Army a minute has seen, Soldiers attract their share of sham marriages that can bring trouble up to UCMJ if identified as such.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2017 2:47 AM2017-08-26T02:47:43-04:002017-08-26T02:47:43-04:00SGT Mike Taylor2868117<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>To tell the truth, it's complicated and heavily nuanced. As simply an N+1 story, I married a Ukrainian born and raised woman that was an Army Reservist with one tour in Iraq. She earned her citizenship and was highly valued because of her language skills. <br /><br />My clearance was placed under review every 6 months for 2 years, which took an amazing amount of time away from my squad and developing the abilities of my TLs and joes. While being told that it wasn't related to my marriage, it was very odd the timing and frequency of the reviews.Response by SGT Mike Taylor made Aug 26 at 2017 3:25 AM2017-08-26T03:25:33-04:002017-08-26T03:25:33-04:00SGM Joel Cook2868133<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I knew an Army SSG who was stationed in Germany for three years. He is Puerto Rican and he met a real nice Hispanic lady in Germany. He married her there then two years later tried to get her a visa into the USA. They turned her down flat cold. She was a Cuban National, no option to ever get her into The US legally. His top secret clearance came into question under the premise that she may be a professional spy ordered by Cuba to find and marry a US military man. It ended eventually with them separating and divorcing rather than ending his career.Response by SGM Joel Cook made Aug 26 at 2017 3:58 AM2017-08-26T03:58:54-04:002017-08-26T03:58:54-04:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member2868135<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Gut says there will be a review at least, don't know what reg says.Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2017 4:02 AM2017-08-26T04:02:38-04:002017-08-26T04:02:38-04:00SGT Private RallyPoint Member2868220<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>YesResponse by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2017 6:21 AM2017-08-26T06:21:04-04:002017-08-26T06:21:04-04:00Sgt Wayne Wood2868561<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It CAN be... this is an issue with people stationed outside CONUS. Boy/girl meets boy/girl & decides they're soulmates. Potential spouse used to come under heavy scrutiny. Adverse findings could cause loss of clearance for SMResponse by Sgt Wayne Wood made Aug 26 at 2017 10:20 AM2017-08-26T10:20:14-04:002017-08-26T10:20:14-04:00SSG Robert Perrotto2868565<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the SM follows the Values and reports this, yes - it will be questioned. If the SM does not report, and instead, the CoC finds out, more serious consequences can and should arise. In our line of work, especially concerning security clearances and what level of information you have access to, trust is a luxury that you cannot afford. Cynical, I know, but true never the less.Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Aug 26 at 2017 10:22 AM2017-08-26T10:22:30-04:002017-08-26T10:22:30-04:00CPT Lawrence Cable2868605<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Marrying an illegal will not change their status and if they have had contact with immigration before, had been deported, etc, the chances of getting them legal status is slim and none. In that case, yes, I would think it would effect the SM's ability to get any advanced clearance. The best advice would be for that person to return to their native country, if that is an option, and go there and marry them. If that person has no record with INS and doesn't have anything else in their background that would bar admission, that should allow the SM to have them enter the country legally.Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Aug 26 at 2017 10:49 AM2017-08-26T10:49:00-04:002017-08-26T10:49:00-04:00PO1 Brian Austin2868669<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm not sure about current regs now, but most probably Yes. My wife was a Legal Immigrant and my TS/SCI clearance was suspended for about 6 months while she and her family was investigated. I'm pretty sure Illegal Immigrant status would complicate things. I worked in the command mail room in the interim. That was 31 yrs ago.Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Aug 26 at 2017 11:21 AM2017-08-26T11:21:37-04:002017-08-26T11:21:37-04:002LT Brian L.2869583<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would imagine it would raise flags all down the pipeline. I married a German woman and we had pretty extensive interviews at the embassy and questions coming into the country.. and she was legal. I might add rightly so... illegal is in the name not too mention all the forms of sham around this type of situation.Response by 2LT Brian L. made Aug 26 at 2017 6:59 PM2017-08-26T18:59:37-04:002017-08-26T18:59:37-04:00Cpl John Barker2872702<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Illegal immigrant" "Security Clearance" You answered your own question.Response by Cpl John Barker made Aug 28 at 2017 4:11 AM2017-08-28T04:11:51-04:002017-08-28T04:11:51-04:00CSM Andrew Perrault2876783<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would think that would be a considerationResponse by CSM Andrew Perrault made Aug 29 at 2017 1:00 PM2017-08-29T13:00:17-04:002017-08-29T13:00:17-04:00SFC Kelly Fuerhoff2876815<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well they have to notify their security manager if that's what's going to happen. If they hold TS/SCI they have to talk to the base security office I believe. It very well could affect the status of their clearance but that would be determined after they got interviewed. I would recommend to a soldier not to marry someone who is an undocumented immigrant in this country. Or perhaps if they're not planning to stay in wait until they get out. That just seems like a lot of unnecessary drama.Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Aug 29 at 2017 1:10 PM2017-08-29T13:10:33-04:002017-08-29T13:10:33-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member2896757<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SFC Cainion, <br />I have read many of the comments provided in response to your question, they all sound logical as they relate to each individual case. As a former BN S2, this is my personal professional opinion.<br />The assumption is that you are CONUS, and that the person in question also resides CONUS. <br />Is the person illegally here because they came illegally across the border? Meaning they circumvented the port of entry. Or is the person illegal because they over state their visa? I bring this up because these are legally distinct ways of illegally residing in U.S. Therefore, the legalization process is different for each provided you get marry. If you are planning to get marry, I strongly advise you to meet with your BN S2 and JAG for advise. How will it affect your clearance? It shouldn't affect your clearance as long as you are trutfull and honest with your S2, their will be questions and depending on your mos, clearance level and unit mission. But overall the biggest concern is your honest and loyalty to the ARMY! So by being honest and up front you are living up to the ARMY values. Again this is just my personal opinion, and I strongly advise you to meet with JAG. Good luck to youResponse by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2017 9:40 AM2017-09-06T09:40:19-04:002017-09-06T09:40:19-04:001SG Private RallyPoint Member2918476<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Seem like there's a few rally point attorneys here. Most people in the military have very little knowledge about immigration/immigration laws, but most have an opinion which means nothing. Talk to your JAG and S2 - there are several ways to be in illegal status in this country. Immigration laws are constantly changingResponse by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 7:26 PM2017-09-14T19:26:55-04:002017-09-14T19:26:55-04:00SFC Mike Edwards3146225<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, it should be. You can't be right and wrong at the same time. Should you be arrested for committing a crime?????Response by SFC Mike Edwards made Dec 5 at 2017 12:00 PM2017-12-05T12:00:55-05:002017-12-05T12:00:55-05:00SPC David Willis3146347<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It would probably depend on what country they were from. If they're from a "bad" country like Mexico, Iraq, Syria or Russia I'm sure it would be looked into. If they're from a "good" country Germany, Australia or England there probably wouldn't be much of an issue.Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 5 at 2017 12:31 PM2017-12-05T12:31:58-05:002017-12-05T12:31:58-05:00SP5 Maria Mieles3146372<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well base on a unpleasant experience on my part. Let me explain. My ex married a Haitian woman when he went to Haiti. He had top secret clearance. Because she wasn't a citizen he lost his clearance. They wouldn't even lower it. So, to answer to your question, Yes it will be in question. You will loose it. Also want to mention, this woman was legal in this country.Response by SP5 Maria Mieles made Dec 5 at 2017 12:40 PM2017-12-05T12:40:19-05:002017-12-05T12:40:19-05:002017-08-26T01:25:58-04:00