I understand everyone has their own opinion

2015-12-03T03:56:35-05:00

Ok, so this morning I decided to come on rally point to see what's going on and I saw this post about a warrior class. Ok cool whatever but this individual said that the infantry soldiers should be held higher reguard and they are Americas " true warriors." America's warriors are anyone who has raised their right hand and sworn to defend the constitution of the United States. As I said everyone has their own opinion and this one is mine. One fight one team.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Dec 3 at 2015 4:05 AM

2015-12-03T04:05:02-05:00

I agree with you LCpl Ash Carson.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Dec 3 at 2015 4:31 AM

2015-12-03T04:31:53-05:00

LCpl Ash Carson I couldn't agree with you more. We all of us who served and are currently serving are 1 team regardless of MOS. Unfortunately, some feel a sense of entitlement and lack empathy these few need to do a self assessment and realize everyone is required to be successful.

Response by SPC James Harsh made Dec 3 at 2015 4:44 AM

2015-12-03T04:44:47-05:00

There are harsh realities in war. If big Army lets the truckers get exposed what do you think they allow to Infantry. As a security element, combat arms can take civilians without any training into the battlefield. The harsh reality is the people that fill the ranks of Infantry range from not that bright to super bright. I think people are too judgmental. There's no room to be offended by hard nosed training, as it may cause someone to think they're being ill perceived. The enemy perceives you how? Without hesitation and disregard for the fabric of your being. It's not the mouth or brain, when it comes down to it. It's all heart because no one wants any fellow soldiers to ultimately fail themselves or anyone around them. I had one mos 11b so I can't speak about any other mos.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 5:51 AM

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warrior -
noun, war·rior often attributive \ˈwȯr-yər, ˈwȯr-ē-ər, ˈwär-ē- also ˈwär-yər\
: a person who fights in battles and is known for having courage and skill
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warrior

I'm not sure why you're so offended by that guys post. I can understand disagreeing, but you really seem affected. If you were having a conversation with civilian and they asked what you did in the military, do you think they would equate infantryman with finance clerk. Both are important to the team, but one has more risk and more prestige. I think the truth truly hurts some people.

Since they're opening up combat MOS's to women, maybe you can reclass.

warrior | a person who fights in battles and is known for having courage and skill

noun | \ˈwor-yər, ˈwor-ē-ər, ˈwär-ē- also ˈwär-yər\ | See the full definition...

Response by CW4 Scott Kjendlie made Dec 3 at 2015 6:22 AM

2015-12-03T06:22:47-05:00

There are people out there that have an unnecessary sense of entitlement. What they do is way more important than what anyone else does. No big deal, just ignore it, and they will complain somewhere else

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 3 at 2015 6:43 AM

2015-12-03T06:43:35-05:00

Don't stress it. As I'm sure you noticed, no one took him seriously...

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 7:45 AM

2015-12-03T07:45:33-05:00

So one team, one fight, etc.

Remember that in some areas of the military we instill that elite type of pride for esprit de corps and team building. Infantry is a prime example but if you dont hang around 11B then you may not see it.
Lets then assume then you have been to Campbell or Bragg or met someone who PCSd from there. The same camaraderie of eliteness is exemplified by whether or not you have decided to exit aircraft in non-traditional manners.
We also have other places like Hood: "You ain't Cav, you ain't ...."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:18 AM

2015-12-03T08:18:15-05:00

i think you are right on the money , good answer

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:52 AM

2015-12-03T08:52:47-05:00

LCpl Carson-I got it double, as both a "squid", and an "O"- I long ago accepted that every choice has it's price.

Ultimately, even the elite Special Forces and SEALs compete if they want to proceed to the next level...and I'm sure our nation's defense organization has a few shadowy personnel who would consider themselves "better" than DEVGRU and Delta Force .

One thing I've always respected (and admittedly, envied) about the Corps, is the concept that "every Marine is a rifleman"...translation? You're all linked by a common, core mission that assumes even the newest, Air Wing, Headquarters personnel...are still Marines. You go through significant training to wear that title, and I've never known a Marine to fail to justly defend it.

Talk is cheap- but I think there's only one question any of us can ask, and that's if we personally feel we did our best. If being a sailor and an officer really made me feel like I had somehow "dodged" offering all that I had available...I guess I'd go down and see if the Army could use a thirty-seven year old, chain smoking infantryman :)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 9:34 AM

2015-12-03T09:34:02-05:00

Our Army 11-series and Marine 03-series are taught to think that way because it is what is necessary to build the espirit de corps and brotherhood that makes people willing to walk and run towards bullets. We ask them to defy logic and self-preservation instincts.
Take it for what it's worth - but no one can insult or offend you without you choosing to be insulted or offended. Look at why it bothers you so much.

Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Dec 3 at 2015 10:51 AM

2015-12-03T10:51:43-05:00

Only the infantry has as its mission statement, "Close with and destroy the enemy and take and hold ground." But the infantry would be useless without all the support personnel providing food, clothing, and ammunition. And they're immensely grateful for artillery and aviation support. (This from a former grunt.) All the cogs are necessary to make the machine work efficiently. Likewise, we would find generals pretty useless if there were no privates.

Response by SGT William Howell made Dec 3 at 2015 11:02 AM

2015-12-03T11:02:29-05:00

LCpl Ash Carson Yeah he totally ticked me off, but I do have some understanding. In the infantry they are told from the first day that they are the cream of the crop. They are the best the Army has to offer, women want them, and men want to be them. I mean you get it, you are a Marine nobody is better than the Corps at making you believe you are at a higher standard that other branches.

Every branch of the Army has some sense of elitist in their MOS. As an MP we were always told that we are the standard for the Army. Are we? Hell no. Some of the biggest dirt bags I know were MPs. They still tell that same BS at MP school now. Why? Because it gives us a sense of pride. We are something that the other guy is not.

Now once we become NCOs you are supposed to realize it takes everybody to make the Big Army go around. The only problem is that this E-7 did not get the memo that his shit stinks like the rest of us. If he truly believes that and treats others as inferior all I can hope is he gets screwed by the supply guy when he tries to clear CIF.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 3 at 2015 1:25 PM

2015-12-03T13:25:55-05:00

There was another post where the poster (SN Greg Wright) asked what we considered to be badass. It was a great post, and in it my answer was the mofo you see looking at you in the mirror. LCpl, YOU are one of them. If you have doubts, go to a mirror (even a hand held) and slap the first thing you see HARD! I can guarantee that the person in the mirror will have a "warriors face" when that hand comes down. Now you could become a "badder" mofo, but you'd have to leave the Jarheads alone and come to where all of the USMC's role models are born and made (US Army all day everyday). Just have to get a dig in on the USMC when I can and no it's not the Navy.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 4:02 PM

2015-12-03T16:02:01-05:00

You must realize that some need their egos fed. Mine is plenty big enough. LOL! We are all on the same team and are equally needed to complete the mission!