I came down DA Select for recruiting, but Brigade is trying to fence me in for a Korea rotation before my school date. How do I avoid this?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:40:35 -0500

Currently in korea looking to redeploy before too long. Been on station 7+ years and they already have deleted my orders once in order to retain me for deployment.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 6:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:42:33 -0500

DA is gonna get what DA wants. That's what usually happens and it either happens the easy way or the hard way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 6:44 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:44:35 -0500

I was fenced 3BCT 4ID with a BDE position. USAREC is god. If your already select.... Might as well accept the inevitable.... WECOME TO USAREC!!

BTW its not atall bad here. Lots of self development oportunities.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 6:45 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:45:54 -0500

Depends on what you are looking for. If you want to become a recruiting NCO you can advise your branch manager on what is happening. If not, let your unit do what it is that they are planning on doing.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 6:46 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:46:02 -0500

I am also with 1st CAV in Korea. They cannot delete your orders for recruiting. To do so would take actions many echelons above Division.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Dec 28 at 2015 6:49 PM

SFC Stephen King — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:49:28 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member USAREC is priority. 3 years DA select recruiter will not be deleted. I was with a SSG had a WO selection still did his recruiting time.

Response by SFC Micheal Ledet made Dec 28 at 2015 7:15 PM

SFC Micheal Ledet — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:15:02 -0500

USAREC is the mafia, you will be going recruiting lol

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Dec 28 at 2015 7:49 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:49:00 -0500

Get some popcorn and watch the show, Recruiting always wins

Response by SGT James Allen made Dec 28 at 2015 8:42 PM

SGT James Allen — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:42:39 -0500

Suck it up. What USAREC wants, USAREC gets. Hated it. Loved being in Armor front line units and getting dirty. Hated being behind a desk on a phone or talking to silver spoon fed kids.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 9:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:19:59 -0500

BLACKJACK is known for giving soldiers the shaft. Luckily neither BLACKJACK or First Team are bigger than DA.

Response by MSG Martin C. made Dec 28 at 2015 10:04 PM

MSG Martin C. — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:04:07 -0500

Not sure if have already done a broadening assignment but doing a tour as a Recruiter, DS, AIT PSG, SGL, or instructor is almost a a most for all CMF. The reason all the details above usually yield a higher promotion rate is because they suck by are a necessary evil.
Do your time an pay your dues.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Dec 29 at 2015 12:03 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:03:46 -0500

Check with your branch manager and the USAREC folks and ask them what their posture is. Recruiting Duty is one that DA takes very seriously - like DS - and most likely will happen.

Response by SFC William Adamek made Dec 29 at 2015 2:20 PM

SFC William Adamek — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:20:40 -0500

Having been the one that determined how many recruiters were needed, did the screening, and sent out the Recruiting Duty notification... you will most likely be going.

And so that everyone else knows how the selection is done (I really don't expect that it has changed much, if any, since I was doing it):
1. It is determined (formula and statistically driven)how many recruiters are needed in the upcoming months/years
2. Each Branch is given a "mission" to provide a certain amount soldiers
3. Each Branch selects who they want to provide (not USAREC)
4. Records are screened to insure qualifications and individual notifications sent
5. Personal information is received from each candidate and final determinations of qualifications are made
6. Candidates attend Army Recruiting Course (ARC)

This is a very simplified sequence and it really is a great deal more complicated and intricate but the best thing to know is that your branch is the one that selected you for Recruiting or Drill duty. They know what orders they are taking you off of or the status of your unit before submitting your name.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2015 2:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:36:46 -0500

Had a similar experience with 1st Cav trying to change my PCS orders so that I would have to go to Korea with them. In the end, I got out of it, but not before they made me re-draw my entire CIF record to go to NTC 2 months before I was suppose to report to Fort Campbell. They did the same thing to our company XO.

Wouldn't have to be 3rd BDE would it?

Good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2015 3:02 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:02:18 -0500

Most likely the fence well be denied. Recruiting trumps everything including deployment. If you want more information about it, contact your branch manager at HRC and stress your desire to be a recruiter or you can contact the Recruiter and Retention School. Their numbers are at the recruit the recruiter website

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Dec 30 at 2015 8:13 AM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 08:13:17 -0500

Use chain of command and then IG if that fails. If necessary write a Presidential or Congressional inquiry.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 12:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:31:31 -0500

Nope. USAREC wins. I was selected for CI, and came down on deployment orders, then got selected for recruiting. Recruiting won...

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 12:36 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:36:27 -0500

Normally, DA is the approving authority for any stop movement. Most of these positions such as Recruiter, Drill Sergeant, etc are based off of MOS requirements.

Response by SFC Miguel Lopez made Dec 31 at 2015 12:59 PM

SFC Miguel Lopez — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:59:08 -0500

Once USAREC find someone it gets them.
Hope you like detailed recruiter and hope you get your dream sheet location.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2016 10:53 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 10:53:04 -0500

Go see your BN CSM ASAP.
Even if USAREC wants you and since the BDE is on another "patch chart", DA also recognizes the "rotational BDEs to KOREA" is a brand new paradigm which requires new rules that FORSCOM & HRC have been given permission to stipulate. It hasn't been written yet but rumor has it they are trying..... that being said....go see your BN CSM.
I'm certain there are ways to get it accomplished, above the table....but "creatively"

Response by SSG Carlos AcostaCastro made Jan 1 at 2016 1:27 PM

SSG Carlos AcostaCastro — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 13:27:24 -0500

I guess that only Works on Recruiter, I have a buddy that came up DA Selected for Drill Sergeant School and the CSM made the decision for HRC and got his orders deleted. Just for one (not 2) 4/3 NCOER and he was NCO of the Quarter in his previous unit before arriving to Fort Stewart, he received a 3/3 and a 2/2 after that 4/3. That tells me that he improved since then.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2016 10:14 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:14:21 -0500

I tried my hardest 3 years ago to get out of my DA select to recruiting well I lost and everyone I spoke to said politely I lost. I wish you luck on your recruiting endeavor! Network while you are there and make great connections, stay out of Dallas lol.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2016 4:29 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:29:38 -0400

Recruiting takes priority if I am not mistaken. Call Branch to cut you an order. In the mean time, work hard wherever you are.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2017 8:12 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 08:12:32 -0400

tell them you want to follow your orders, you need to get promoted!