Posted on Oct 17, 2014
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The terms of Biden's separation from the Navy were unclear. Typically, military members discharged for failing drug tests don't receive an honorable discharge. Anyone have the details?


http://news.yahoo.com/bidens-youngest-son-leaves-navy-amid-drug-report-003510163--politics.html
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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I guess it doesn't pay to step on it when you are related to someone in a high profile position, like I don't know, the vice President of the Untied States. There are dozens that are tossed out every month (that is just a number I made up, no analysis or research conducted by me) with absolutely no public fanfare or ridicule. I guess the take away form this is that decisions made, whether good or bad, are made by the individual, not the bloodlines that they come from.
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MSG Mitch Dowler
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I disagree completely. This is a reflection of where he came from and the values he was taught.
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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I agree that his upbringing and ingrained values do play a part in the overall decision making process, but did he do cocaine because he came from a rich family? Did he do cocaine because he thought he could get away with it? Did he do cocaine because he made a piss poor decision? Regardless of what the answer is, I still believe that at the end of the day, it was an individual decision and he chose poorly.
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SFC Stillman G.
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He did what he did because he could! He's been getting away with STUFF for years because of the "family" and probably thought it would just get pushed under the rug like it had before. This time someone was watching and made sure it was known so they had to take action.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Sad. He's 42, not like he's a young kid. Getting a direct commission at that age though, wonder what was up with that?
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LTC Hbpc Physician Assistant
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It took a waiver for sure.
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Not gonna change my high opinion of the man over some dumbass shit his kid did. Dam shame too. Family has had some strife
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PO3 Glenn Adair
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It is an administrative discharge under "misconduct." Members may receive up to a General Under Honorable Conditions if they ask for counsel. Also, treatment for addiction must be offered before discharge.
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SrA Marc Haynes
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Let me share my $.02 worth here. I was going to post this much earlier but I was banished from the site for a little while for not being bonafide (name that movie).

I have some experience with this issue. I am going to put myself out there so if you don’t like what I say than that is your right.

I have had a long experience with drug abuse throughout my life. It started with alcohol (the true gateway drug) at a very young age. It escalated in high school. It affected my military life. I do not know how it is now but in the late 70s and early 80s there was a lot of drug use in the barracks and yes I participated regularly. When I rotated back to the states from Germany I was caught with some hashish. I don’t think they had any treatment options other than an outpatient treatment programmed on the base which I was “obligated” to attend. I did not learn a damn thing in that program and continued to drink the entire time. I was told that reenlistment was not an option for me and was allowed to depart with an honorable discharge (administrative since I was already signed up for college).

After the military I took a five year descent into hell. It got very bad, DEA bad. In February of 1986 I was a self-admit to a treatment center. I have not used drugs or alcohol since then. I continue to attend 12-step meetings to this day. Life is good now, in fact it is great.

Alcohol abuse is almost condoned in my experience in the military. My NCOIC , who hated me for using drugs, came in most mornings extremely hung over and smelling like booze. He would go in his office and close the door until about 1000 or 1100. There were no ramifications for this while I was there. I am not justifying my actions or his. I was responsible for my behavior and no one else’s. I am just saying that during my time alcohol abuse and drug abuse were treated dramatically different. I cannot say if the same is true today.

I do not know the entire story behind Mr. Biden’s drug use while he was in the military. I do hope that he gets the help he needs if it is warranted.

With all of that said I wanted to also reach out to any veterans or current military that are in recovery or those interested in recovery. Please free to contact me.
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LTC Hbpc Physician Assistant
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You are right. Some of it is just civilian norms shifting over current military standards that are applied sporadically .
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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My only two questions are:
1. Why is this public knowledge? It should be kept between the Navy, his Commanders, and him.

2. Why is it such a big deal? There are servicemembers everyday that do drugs, but those packets are sitting on someone's desk to be processed. Why is it such a big deal of this one person getting booted? This is only news because of who his father is. This is shameful that this got in the news and everyone is overlooking the larger issue of how much drug use is going on in the military and how to stop it.
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1LT Platoon Leader
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Ooooo yea that makes sense. to answer that question Sir, yes i would absolutely fight someone for the chance to punch bieber in the face..repeatedly
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CMSgt James Nolan
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LTC (Join to see) Who cares about the release of confidential info being released regarding the drug use....I just got to see the BEEBS hit with a water bottle! That was awesome.
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LTC Hbpc Physician Assistant
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Brian,
You ask why this is a big deal? I know you must have seen repeat offenders in urinalysis and I have yet to meet an officer that didn't believe that failing to prosecute or separate repeat offenders only emboldens more use and lowers morale. When I was on active duty, Ariticle 15s were posted on the wall. This is the electronic wall. Let me ask you this, if you were in charge of his disposition, would you have recommended separation and would be honorable conditions?
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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OTH as E1 is what I always go with. Now I know officers are a different breed and different all together for processing. Fortunately I never had to deal with DDR for officers in my career so I am not sure how they would be processed, but I still (if legally could) would push OTH E1.

However, the individual can ask for honorable or general separation and it is up to the approving authority to grant or not.
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1LT Platoon Leader
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Biden
To add to 1LT John Martin's post
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Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns
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Love me some Joe Biden but very disappointed to see that my precious military is infected with this unequal justice disease. Understandable about young Biden's situation however, sometimes when you lose someone so close to you, you lose a lot of yourself. His mother dying at such a very young age probably will haunt him until that day when God calls him home to be with her again.
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SFC Stillman G.
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This is one of the things that is wrong, not just here but with society. Hate to sound cold but if everyone that has a sob story is never held liable or is treated lightly then they will never change. Just like the little kid that keeps breaking crayons, he says he does it because he's mad but he'll keep doing it until you make him stop, and this usually happens by punishment.
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Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns
Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns
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I detect a trend here that when you talk compassion,people automatically assume you are talking leniency or allowing those who offend to get off scot-free. I think it is time that all of us re-define what it means to be compassionate. When I speak of knowing where Hunter Biden is coming from, that's compassion. Allowing him to violate the rules without consequences is not compassion, it's stupid. You can hold anyone and everyone responsible for their actions and still realize what caused them to violate the rules. Understanding is compassion and that is all we have an obligation to do. Failing to see why, keeps us repeating the same steps again and again but using the knowledge we obtain through understanding, we can then began to heal all that ils. No mechanic can fix a car until they actually know what's wrong with it. Hunter Biden should have never been granted a waiver, he deserved rghtly to lose his commission and he deserves to lose any benefits, he may have earned from the choice he made but to constantly hammer him or anyone else over the head using the same incident as the weapon glorifies no one and damages us all.
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SFC Stillman G.
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I got ya. And I agree, BUT when we KEEP having compassion(?) I BELIEVE we are just giving them the sense that it's OK and if they do it again then they will receive compassion(?) again and again. If you were on drugs at a young age and it was due to your surroundings (? or fitting in?), someone can have compassion (Judge) and get you help. If it keeps happening then punishment has to happen and get more help.
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Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns
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Got to say, you do make an excellent point, great job.
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Cpl Chris Rice
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I encountered multiple people in the military who used cocaine for the express purpose of it leaving their system so quickly. I think with the military it is almost always a bad seed, but this is not the first time that he has been caught with drugs, and maybe this is an example of considerations that should be made under the waiver process.
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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That's a shame if the drugs is a real thing. Typically Cocaine results in a courts martial and a verdict with Jail Time and a Dismissal from service for an officer. They usually throw the book at a officer for it, which is rightly so. I know that the process is that after 1 failed drug test they do another one and if that one comes back dirty than they proceed with punishment. In his since he is a reservist he might have been on title 32 orders which is basically a civilian wearing a uniform versus title 10. In that case it could be just simply a administrative discharge. I think if that happens you are barred from federal employment as a civil servant. Although you not bared from elected office.
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PO3 Shaun Taylor
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Wow smh you can still hold office.
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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As long as there was not a conviction on record. Even then it still maybe possible. Washington DC mayor was busted in a cocaine sting many years ago. He managed to get re-elected after being impeached.
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LTC Hbpc Physician Assistant
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True story.
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