Posted on Oct 13, 2017
How would you handle a subordinate telling you not to contact them after "working hours"?
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It's 1800 and you just get off work. You let your subordinates go at 1600. You text them reminding them of a personnel inspection tomorrow morning. Your E4 tells you that they "don't need to deal with you outside of working hours" and not to "contact them outside of 0600-1600".
How would you handle this situation?
How would you handle this situation?
Posted 7 y ago
Responses: 738
This seems like a perfect opportunity for 8 hours of EMI (Extra Military Instruction). I do believe that mustering with the OOD at 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, 2100, and 2145 (right before taps), in a different uniform, for 4 days straight, might teach the individual what defines working hours, and proper interaction with seniors.
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1SG Marion "Ron" C.
SP5 Jeannie Carle CDR Don Wicklund I think you may have missed the point of the question, and the response from the Specialist. First, when the Specialist told the CPO not to contact him after 1600hrs (which can be considered disrespect to a senior), how can he have "...a 5 minute conversation..."? Second, as others have mentioned, every service member is on duty 24/7/365, the one exception being on pass or leave, but both can be revoked and the service member can be placed back "on-duty". When I joined, I was told that you now belong to Uncle Sam and you are on-duty every day all day, and its purpose is being able to deploy at a moments notice. Think about the call the CPO receives for immediate deployment. He/She receives a call to deploy after-hours and the CPO calls the Specialist to inform him/her that they have 24 hours to muster and deploy to an unknown location. How would it be viewed then if this were the case? If you say, that an immediate deployment alert call is different than a "regular" call, then you may want to sit and ponder that for a moment. No disrespect meant, just a side of the conversation for anyone who may not have spent much time in deployments, instead having mostly spent their career in garrison.
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Sgt Brad Hill
CDR Don Wicklund - I agree. Sounds like there's more too it. Either preoccupied with life outside of service or a beef with his leadership.
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Suspended Profile
Either way the E-4 needs a serious wake-up call... add some more arrogance and I'd vote for a 15... maybe THAT would get'em back on track... if not it's time for a Big Chicken Dinner.
SSG Cameron "KB" Kingsbury
I have a suggestion on this matter. Maybe speak with this Service Member rather than jumping to conclusions and possibly causing an otherwise good SM to leave. We have a problem in the military where we doing look at the big picture when i comes to SMs. Jumping straight to how can i beat this attitude out of them. The mark of a great leader is one who can motivate by their actions not by their punishments. I remember the leaders who cared about me more than i can the ones who treated me like equipment.
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I'd respond to this, but then words like "premeditated" would start getting thrown around in court.
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SGT Kevin Cooper
I can remember a time when "Wall To Wall Counseling" was an option. Not often needed, but very effective when properly applied.
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