SSG Private RallyPoint Member 11972 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Some NCO's may have experienced this.  I say some because not all MOS's have several certifications required per rank and several regulations pertaining how/when you should acquire these certs for certain positions or ranks.  Example:  DA Pam 611-21 10-12M. MOS 12M (ACASP designated MOS Effective 1010) section b. subsection 8 All DoD firefighters must be certified at the next higher level before being eligible for a position at that level, in accordance with DoD 6055.06-M.  Effective 1 October 2007, in order to retain MOS 12M, NCO's (SGT, SSG, SFC) must become certified to grade within 2 years of promotion for Active Duty , and within 3 years for Reserve/NG components.  NCO's who fail to complete required certification training within the stated time will be involuntarily reclassified.  12 February 2008.</p><p>  </p><p>Now AR 420-1 Section XV, Chapter 25-61b: The certification levels in table 25-5 are the minimum mandatory qualification standards for the positions indicated.  Individuals shall be DOD certified at these levels before being eligible to fill these grades and/or positions.   12 February 2008/RAR 24 August 2012.</p><p> </p><p>Also</p><p>NFPA professional qualifications standards outlined in NFPA Standard 472 and the 1000 series standards (References (d) and (e)). Which is the regulations DOD 6055.06 refer to.  I understand these regulations do not pertain to many individuals on this Social Media site as there are less than 350 Active Duty Military Firefighters in the U.S. Army but perhaps some of you other leaders have dealt with similar situations.  Does one override the other? Does it need to be updated so they match?</p> 2013-11-26T14:58:11-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 11972

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Some NCO's may have experienced this.  I say some because not all MOS's have several certifications required per rank and several regulations pertaining how/when you should acquire these certs for certain positions or ranks.  Example:  DA Pam 611-21 10-12M. MOS 12M (ACASP designated MOS Effective 1010) section b. subsection 8 All DoD firefighters must be certified at the next higher level before being eligible for a position at that level, in accordance with DoD 6055.06-M.  Effective 1 October 2007, in order to retain MOS 12M, NCO's (SGT, SSG, SFC) must become certified to grade within 2 years of promotion for Active Duty , and within 3 years for Reserve/NG components.  NCO's who fail to complete required certification training within the stated time will be involuntarily reclassified.  12 February 2008.</p><p>  </p><p>Now AR 420-1 Section XV, Chapter 25-61b: The certification levels in table 25-5 are the minimum mandatory qualification standards for the positions indicated.  Individuals shall be DOD certified at these levels before being eligible to fill these grades and/or positions.   12 February 2008/RAR 24 August 2012.</p><p> </p><p>Also</p><p>NFPA professional qualifications standards outlined in NFPA Standard 472 and the 1000 series standards (References (d) and (e)). Which is the regulations DOD 6055.06 refer to.  I understand these regulations do not pertain to many individuals on this Social Media site as there are less than 350 Active Duty Military Firefighters in the U.S. Army but perhaps some of you other leaders have dealt with similar situations.  Does one override the other? Does it need to be updated so they match?</p>

2013-11-26T14:58:11-05:00 2013-11-26T14:58:11-05:00 SSG Robert Burns 11986

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Im not completely sure on what your question is.  So in order to get promoted to the next rank (NCO ranks Im assuming) you have to obtain certain certifications in your career field?  If thats the case Im assuming that's because certain fire fighter positions are regulated by another agency other than the Army?<div>Im not sure where the conflict is you are talking about.</div><div>I do know that in order to be promoted to the next rank in any MOS you must be MOS qualified.  It sounds like you have different MOS qualifications at different ranks.</div><div>Seems legit.</div><div>I am a nurse and I have to maintain my civilian nursing license completely on my own which expires every 2 years.  If I fail to maintain it then I am no longer MOS qualified and subject to reclass/separation.</div>

2013-11-26T15:21:01-05:00 2013-11-26T15:21:01-05:00 CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A. 11996

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>There shouldn't be many conflicts between DODI and ARs. The AR us usually an implementation of a DoDI. In the DoDI and AR you refer to, there should be a statement that directs the implementation of the most restrictive standard whenever a conflict is discovered. That should be no surprise....</p><p> </p><p>DA Pams and STPs are irrelevent. That are not regulatory in nature and are for guidance on implemenation of training and regulations.</p><p> </p><p>If you are concerned about a specific certification, I can probably help. I have had to work several 12M through some rough problems in these certs. Are you concerned about specific certs or is this a general question?</p><p> </p><p>I guess I would expect you would have instructor I and II personnel at Rucker. If you don't have the trainers available at your house, and the deadlines are arriving, I would get the Chief to start advocating for Garrison or other training funds to send FF to Goodfellow, MFRI, a community college in your area, or look for local training events in the volunteer or career houses in your area. I have always found that local stations were willing to train greensuiters.</p>

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