How soon after a car accident should I have to take a PT test?

2019-07-09T20:57:08-04:00

I was injured in a car accident in May, I was treated in the hospital for multiple days and discharge with the Major traumatic brain injury as well as open wounds. My section chief has been adamant about making me take a PT test even though I’m injured. I have told him and sent paperwork that shows I am in no condition to be running on a wounded leg. He agrees and then a few days later comes back again asking for the PT test. I am in the National Guard. I have no history of failed PT tests or disciplinary action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 9:02 PM

2019-07-09T21:02:40-04:00

Usually documentation from a doctor will suffice. Might want to see a military doctor and get a temporary profile until your leg is healed.

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Jul 9 at 2019 9:04 PM

2019-07-09T21:04:19-04:00

PFC Private RallyPoint Member Unless you have profile on file, you are required to take the PT test. You need to start the process to have a MTF convert your civilian care and recommendations to the Army's, including getting a profile, if deemed necessary. You can inquire through your UA how to start the process.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 9 at 2019 9:31 PM

2019-07-09T21:31:17-04:00

Honestly, I'd submit it to either the social workers at whatever clinical facility you're going to, and/or possibly ask for chaplain help, to see if they could possibly intervene, clerics often are useful for such types of questions, I'd found...I'd most definitely get a consult from physiatry/rehab med, NOT just PT/OT...if you go to a PT, I'd seek out a doctoral-level one, a DPT, however, physiatry is medicine, NOT PT or OT, I'd also look into anesthesiology/pain management, as well as possibly acupuncture, but under medical supervision, NOT solely by an L.Ac., such physicians do most definitely exist, my wife and I have used a husband and wife pair of such physicians supervising L.Acs. for a long time now...I'd also look at going for osteopathic manipulative med/therapy (OMM/OMT), done only by D.O.s, osteopaths, they're physicians, and I'm NOT referring to chiropractors or orthopedists, though I have considerable regard for good chiropractice, though I prefer those with experience, or who did chiropractic orthopedic and/or radiology residencies...also, being as you have a lower-extremity injury, look at the site here, it's the orthopedic society, both M.D. as well as D.O., who specifically are fellowship trained in lower-extremity orthopedics, I'd also most definitely get a podiatry consult, and, if you're gonna use orthotics, insist they be plaster casted, NOT done using a foam crush box, and NOT done using a machine in a drugstore, or weightbearing, they need to be done by an expert, who knows exactly how to plaster cast them, PROPERLY...get it all thoroughly documented, and, also, I'd submit everything to all three of your local Congress ofcs, to all of the local mil/vet staff groups, so they're all totally aware of all that's going on, and ask them to try to intercede on your behalf, so far as they can inquire...they have no authority to change anything, however, to not seek their help for such a circumstance would be, at least to me, an egregious waste of a possibly invaluable resource...send them all your clinical documentation, go, if you can, also, to a university-based hospital rehab program, and, if at all possible, ask also for a consult at a nearby VA hospital near you, when I was a VA resident before my total perm disability, I'd been doctoral allied health, though we shut my license sevl yrs ago, I saw active duty, Guard, and Reserve seen at VA hospitals I trained at many times, ask all three Congress ofcs for help to ask for that, if you can, just a thought, OK?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 9 at 2019 9:33 PM

2019-07-09T21:33:56-04:00

http://www.vetadvocates.org

This group, NOVA, did my total perm disability, we transferred me to one of their guys from a vet group, we had to pay a $500 consult, however, they can be an invaluable resource, aside from vet groups and law school vet law clinics, I assure you, check their search engine for who's near you, and/or also call their ofc, to try to speak with their staffs, I'm not saying you want VA disability, I merely suggest them to you as a possible resource, as their attorneys are pretty much at the top of the food chain for such things, hooked into many possible alternatives in your area, you might ask about a MEB/PEB eval, as well, just another thought, also, OK?

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 9:39 PM

2019-07-09T21:39:22-04:00

Take all of your civilian medical documents and make a visit with a military care provider to get all of your stuff listed onto an official DA Form 3349.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 9 at 2019 9:55 PM

2019-07-09T21:55:39-04:00

Without a valid profile you have no alternative. Take your paperwork to the medics and talk to the mil. physician.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Jul 10 at 2019 12:20 AM

2019-07-10T00:20:20-04:00

Get all of your medical stuff and bring it to your unit’s surgeon’s office. Have them evaluate the situation and provide guidance.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jul 10 at 2019 5:50 AM

2019-07-10T05:50:48-04:00

You need to transition your documents to the unit and get a profile if warranted. Without a profile you have no recourse. Thank you for your service.

Response by SP5 Chuck Tilley made Jul 10 at 2019 1:38 PM

2019-07-10T13:38:29-04:00

You needed to follow up with your Doctor within 3 days after being released from Hospital. If you Waited a month or two that was on you. As a Soldier you know in advance of PT test , so this is your fault if you didn’t get a release from your Doctor to not take a PT test . Your Doctor can also give you a release date to make up a PT test which can be done with another unit or during the week if possible.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Jul 10 at 2019 5:27 PM

2019-07-10T17:27:44-04:00

Pursue two avenues of attack here. Apprise yourself of your options as to military healthcare providers with regards to being National Guard. When you utilize that, have on hand all of your material documents from the incident as well as your current Doctors advisements, referrals etc., Try your best to get this onto a DA 3349.

Your second avenue that you can pursue concurrent is to to go above your section chiefs head to your commander. It is not breaking CoC, as you have a valid concern and most commanding officers should have an open door policy for just such events. Be candid with him or her. They can often give you better advice as to how to make this happen so that you do not incur penalties due to regulations and the like.

Your commander wants you to succeed, failure looks just as bad on him or her. I cannot stress enough the import of getting that DA 3349 to get yourself covered militarily. Sadly the military does not look at the civilian side and just take what a Doctor says and run with it. They should but...

Response by LCpl Michael Harrell made Jul 11 at 2019 9:57 PM

2019-07-11T21:57:06-04:00

Well first and foremost get a medical diagnosis and paperwork stating no pt, a medical order supersedes a line order. Plus any fool knows runningnin an injured limb further stress said limb injury, not to mention the stress on the brain from the pounding of running and hyper heat rates and blood pressures to an injured cranium. Seek your medical order, run it up the chain of command and contact a JAG with said paperwork, if they still persist you have your ducks in a row.
If you PT, you can kill yourself with a TBI,
And no fool should make you with proper documentation and medical orders!