How Much of a Negative Affect does Donald Trump's Comment have on our Muslim brothers and sisters who Serve Honorably in Uniform?

2015-12-08T20:16:44-05:00

Donald Trump's recent comments about Barring ALL Muslims from Entering the United States until our Leadership can figure out how to get handle on who comes in has created an Uproar. GOP Leadership has denounced his Assertions! Pundits have been all over this. Lets consider our Muslim brothers and sisters who we fought along side us and LOVE America as much as we do. How offensive has his comments been to them?

Response by PO3 Michael Cardinale made Dec 8 at 2015 8:33 PM

2015-12-08T20:33:57-05:00

I'm sure the rhetoric takes a toll on many of our brethren. Imagine coming back to the US after being deployed to fight to keep America safe seeing fear in the eyes of those whom they tried to protect. Presidential candidates calling to wipe out everyone that attends your mosque or stop your internet usage; how is that helpful or thankful of a nation they served?

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Dec 8 at 2015 8:56 PM

2015-12-08T20:56:31-05:00

Trump is a bombastic jagaloon. Everyone knows he a big joke except for a minority of hillbillies. I should hope you have thicker skin than to let Donald Trump's rhetoric interrupt your sleep. The problem today is everyone is so easily offended. The PC's have brainwashed many into believing everyone should be offended by everything. Grow a pair and move forward I say

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 9:14 PM

2015-12-08T21:14:37-05:00

First I will say that I like Trump for his success as a smart businessman. For a president I am just not seeing it. What amazes me how he is still leading. I see him as the right wing equivalent POTUS. I am still not just sure that he is in it to win it. He has to know that he can't win with what he is doing. I just don't understand it. I like Ted Cruz and think he is going to keep making his way up and take the lead with Trump bows out. I just don't know. He making some wild points that were unheard of in the past. He has some good points but then he states them in the most ridiculous way he can. I do think we need to track any refugees coming to country but he doesn't say it like that. He says something much more crazy. I don't think it is helping anyone but it is appealing to the ultra right.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Dec 8 at 2015 11:28 PM

2015-12-08T23:28:50-05:00

FDR did it in 1933 to stop Jewish immigration. And he is the Democrats favourite president. Then he put the Japanese in interment camps.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2015 7:29 AM

2015-12-09T07:29:44-05:00

I find this picture offensive. Trump's face should be replaced with Hillary's.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Dec 9 at 2015 9:35 AM

2015-12-09T09:35:00-05:00

A huge and vast one, labeling all Muslims "entering". We automatically are drawn to one word, Muslims. But I can't help to not agree with him to a certain extent. Torn between what might be morally right and what might be right for our Nation. Wish someone would offer a solution.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 9 at 2015 10:33 AM

2015-12-09T10:33:20-05:00

Trump could've said the same thing in a non-PC way that got the point across without inflaming the Muslim community. I'll put my last dollar he will not tell the Jewish or even the Christian community the same thing had the shoe been on the other foot (and it has). He also says his ignorant trash in hopes of getting what he is getting and that is free press. He is playing everyone that falls into his sphere of influence and they eat it up. Note unlike any other candidate when pressed into explaining why he says what he does, he cannot give substantial evidence or even give a true method to why he came up with it. Don't like either side, but with the others running at least the candidates can give a possible policy with a "reasonable" reason why they think they are right. Trump is the ultimate bully. He knows his money's long and he can threaten to sue if you call him out or a name. He also has the press in his pocket. Fox news couldn't contain him; MSNBC couldn't either, and he knows it. In fairness to the candidates the republican party is running to the sand to put their heads in the sand so that they cannot see the mess he's doing to them. Issue a letter telling the others not to get into a sparring match with him? Jeb is being pummeled in the polls. I think for him he NEEDS to dig into Trump with a vengeance. Trump straight up disrespected Jeb with Jeb's webpage re-directing folks to Trump's page. Carly and Ben aren't far behind. If that party expects any of their candidates to have any chance in the White House, someone needs to do multiple PLF's into his backside and not just on the debate stage. The dems get the perfect "gift" with Trump. They don't have to do much of anything but sit back and relax. Hell Trump goes after Hillary she shrugs him off like a bad counseling and keeps it moving. Unfortunately or Fortunately depending on view, Hillary is gonna breeze into the White House in 16. And she'll only have Trump, the RNC, and mass media to thank for it.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 9 at 2015 10:35 AM

2015-12-09T10:35:17-05:00

One of those places we must disagree. If the context of his so-called ban are noted, the issue was the lack of proper management of immigration, legal and illegal. We are over run with many that are illegal, not just Hispanics, but from around the globe. VISA overstays are not tracked and are not gone after. Everyone wants to go back to our values established by the Founders, then we had much land and few people. Those that were admitted, through the legal processes, were vetted to the degree possible at that time. The other aspect that is being lost is the past experience with immigrants and refugees was assimilation. In nearly any country that I am aware of, the immigrants consolidate and want to turn the area into a little caliphate, or other name that is run in the same way as the crappy place they ran from. How many of those areas are doing well? How many of them were in the Pew poll that they said we deserve what we are getting from the terrorists? When you become naturalized, you swear your loyalty to the USA over all others. cheering for the terrorists is not loyalty to their new home. Much more I could go on with this topic, but the whole reason for the furor is by the establishment elements trying to destroy Trump's chances to become the POTUS. What Trump should have said is that ALL immigration and refugee programs should be stopped for as long as it takes to clean up the cess pool in DC that worries about getting reelected, rather than our security.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2015 11:40 PM

2015-12-09T23:40:55-05:00

Suck on this one, liberals.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/08/top-scholars-say-trumps-muslim-immigrant-ban-could-be-constitutional

Top Scholars Say Trump Muslim Immigrant Ban May Be Constitutional

If it passed Congress, experts say courts wouldn't necessarily strike down 'odious,' 'scary' policy.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Dec 10 at 2015 6:37 AM

2015-12-10T06:37:47-05:00

Absolutely none, His actions are the most strategically prudent option to protect our people from attack.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 11:53 AM

2015-12-10T11:53:21-05:00

Everybody is offended now-a-days, and it they're smart individuals, they'll understand that there is a direct threat from radicalized Muslims. If they truly love their country, then they'll suck it up and drive on.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 10 at 2015 5:00 PM

2015-12-10T17:00:56-05:00

You need to post the whole speech and not just bits and pieces. In the speech he said that those here legally would be exempt and not deported. He is just wanting to do what has been done in the past to secure the Nation. Carter did it in 1979 when he banned Iranians and deported those who had violated their Visas. FDR did it back in 1933 when he banned Japanese from immigrating and even put those of Japanese race in internment camps. But, those are Democrats and would not fit with the Liberals propaganda today.
Sure it will irritate and piss of those who are in the Military and of the Muslim faith. I would be pissed off too, and they have every right. But, this is not an attack against them, but a mesaure to protect this country until we can figure things out and get it under control.
Teddy Roosevelt said it best "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

So, those who want to change rules or have special laws are not truly following what it means to be an American. I am an American period. I am not Christian-American, Norwegian-American or Whatever-American. I am only American, no if ands or buts.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2015 12:16 PM

2015-12-11T12:16:42-05:00

The way I see it is that Mr. Trump is a master of getting the media's attention. His comments are out there, "Ban all Muslims." He gets the media buzz, those that don't like him start to do their research on him, fact checking etc, then they turn to Social Media and everyone is talking about him. If you're a fan, or even semi-agree with what he is saying, but in your heart know "That is way out there." He still gets the attention.
Then he'll back off the first statement when he has everyone's attention and start a discussion on the issue. He already stated he did not mean to include current U.S Muslim Citizens. The issue is obviously immigration policy, and I agree he's not too far off base.
As an example- if there were a meat packing plant, or food processing center (pick one) and it came to the publics attention that the product/output from that "process" could potentially harm or kill people, there would be an immediate recall, and the plant would be shut down until they could figure out where the problem may be and how to fix it to an acceptable level of safety. Generally speaking, I think most would agree to the shut down until we could figure out what is going on.
On a similar note, no one had any issue with mandatory quarantine with the Ebola issues.
I don't see a problem with taking a temporary pause with restricting or limiting all immigration, until the proper background checks can be done.
He certainly has a way to get everyone attention and bring issues for discussion.
I don't think his comments were in anyway directed at any service members.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Dec 11 at 2015 7:45 PM

2015-12-11T19:45:54-05:00

Trumps comments may well be perceived as negative for many reasons BUT, given the fact that of the 10's of thousands of illegal aliens that walk across our porous Southern Border every day, a temporary moratorium could be a good thing. Where's the harm? Do we need to swell the welfare ranks even more? I already fear for the imminent danger to my SSDI and Medicare. There is no money left in either fund, Obama grabbed all of that as soon as he could. I have to wonder, of the billions of $$ that Janet Yellen prints every month, is the a $1 billion off-shore transfer to an Obama account in the Cayman Islands? Would NOT surprise me.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2015 11:31 PM

2015-12-11T23:31:04-05:00

I think that Trumps plan is drastic, and there is no way it will happen. With that being said, Trump is a smart guy. I think his comments had an underlying point that will not be seen if taken at face value. I think his intent was to spark the conversation on how to get a better handle on who is coming to the U.S. no matter what their religion or nationality. Muslims are a small portion of immigrants coming to the US. All imagrants need screening so we don't let murderers, rapist, and terrorists in. I think he used Muslims as the target of opportunity to illustrate a point. Much like the southern boarder comments he has made. We all know that other nationalities cross the boarder, but he pinned the blame on Mexicans. Most terror activities against the US is carried out by Muslims. So, he used it as Target of opportunity to bring light to an issue. This is my two cents worth, but I do agree that we need to relook our policies for entrance to the US regardless of the demographic they represent.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 12 at 2015 1:16 PM

2015-12-12T13:16:41-05:00

Unfortunately, just like anything, you cant speak bad about bad Muslims without pissing off a few good ones... (HA! See what I did there in reference to your photo?)