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SSG Medical Readiness Nco
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I'll start a medical readiness thread at some point soon and answer any MR related questions posted. I'm an AGR MRNCO in the Texas ARNG, so my SME perspective is most relative to the ARNGUS M-Day Soldier. I've either read it all or know where to find the answer.

As a side note, profiles are a GOOD thing for 99.9% of those seeking them. They are meant to allow the Soldier to heal and to continue their participation in the military. There is unfortunately a heaping ton of medical process misinformation out there, and to some extent my fellow MRNCO ranks are to blame for that. The Army's medical administrative process is a monster, but it works always towards the appropriate and meaningful care of the military member first and foremost.
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A temporary medical profile will become a permanent after 12 months (4 consecutive temporary profiles) for the same condition. It could become a permanent 2 in any category of the PULHES which is meant to augment your APFT participation or minimally, your participation as a Soldier. If it becomes a permanent 3, the profiling officer has checked on of the 10 boxes of the Functional Section as No and must either check Needs MMRB or Needs MEB. AR 40-501, Chapter 7 covers profiling in detail. Key to the profiling action is the Soldier's MRDP, or military retention decision point. If you have met your MRDP, i.e. the care for your condition has reached a definitive, no further care to pursue point, then the MDRP has been met and the provider should profile your condition appropriately and IAW AR 40-501, Chapter 3.
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I recently had surgery in April on my left rest in which I was on a temporary profile before that for 8 months. I asked about getting a profile and was told that I need to be on a temporary profile now for at least 6 months since I got surgery. I don't know what to do because it's keeping me from progressing in my career. Do you have any advice?
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I'm assuming you mean to obtain a permanent profile. The provider, or whomever you spoke with, is correct because you will need to reach an end point before a permanent profile can be considered. This is called the Military Retention Decision Point (MRDP). A Soldier obtains temporary profiles ideally to reach a MRDP, at which point a military provider will weigh your diagnosis, treatments thus far, and prognosis to determine if you have reached your MRDP. But, there is no specific timeframe to consider. If you are AD, then this is closely monitored through your treatment at the MTF. If you are RC, then the military provider's MRDP is predicated solely on the civilian medical treatment documentation you provide them. If your civilian doctor can write you a note that explains your diagnosis, treatment received, and prognosis that ***pay attention here*** demonstrates that you have reached an end point in the care and treatment for "x" condition, then you have reached the MRDP and the military provider can permanently profile you IAW AR 40-501. In the TXARNG, we have created a Medical Doctor's Functional Assessment (MDFA) that is, for all intents and purposes, a form that allows the civilian practitioner to profile you IAW DA 3449. In fact, it has all of the same components. When a Soldier in need of profiling presents to our military providers their medical treatment documentation (current always) and a recent (within 30 days or so) MDFA, they can profile accordingly.
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Now, what to do. I believe you're AD. If that is the case, take the time to inform yourself of your condition, care, and prognosis as thoroughly as possible. This is called being an informed patient. Speak to your treating doctor(s) and discuss with them what your diagnosis is (step 1 to being informed), what treatments can be expected and the timeframe of each (step 2 to being informed), and the prognosis of your condition, i.e. when can you expect to be at an end point of your treatment and care for your wrist and what impact to your health and wellbeing can you expect at that end point (step 3, now you're an informed patient). When your condition's end point has been reached, your treatment provider will indicate that in your military health records and a permanent profile can then be discussed. Hmmm, "discussed"? What? That's right, as an informed patient, you no longer are at the whims of the provider on the keyboard. An informed patient has the facts, knows their condition(s) intimately, and brings to the table a distinct knowledge of what outcome is desired from any...ANY...medical appointment they attend. As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss. Rest assured, I'm a medic, I got this. But if you put me in front of "x" (you name the circumstances), if I'm given the chance to inform myself of how to do "x", I will do so before I go in and get shred.
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As stated above it usually takes about a year of being on temporary Profile before you are even considered for a Permanent Profile. If I where you I would focus more on understanding your Injury and rehab, your ultimate goal should be to get off of profile instead trying to get a permanent profile. A permanent profile is not meant for you to stay on profile your whole career. A permanent profile only gives you time to heal your injury and you are reevaluated every 3 to 5yrs. In my career I have been on 2 permanent profiles and have done majority of the rehab myself and gotten off of the permanent profiles. Everything comes to pass you will heal, be patient and focus on rehabilitation of your injury.
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SPC Chad Kolod
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I don't know if it has changed but a permanent profile usually is the result of being on a temporary profile for a reoccurring issue for a year. Once you have been on temporary profiles for the same issue for a year you are up for review for a permanent profile. I know that lately once you get a permanent profile they also review you for a medboard. In my case I had an issue that was getting worse quick, so I was on a temp profile for 3 months befor my permanent and than the day I was listed as a permenant I was under review for a medboard. It is very important to have a good relationship with your PCM (primary car manager). Depending on your situation they can push things one way or another. If you have any specific questions feel free to message me as I just went through the whole process.
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