How long until marijuana is legal in the military?

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:59:23 -0400

Marijuana use is currently prohibited under UCMJ Article 112. However, with many states legalizing its recreational use, how long before the military amends UCMJ Article 112, allowing its use? Having never used with marijuana, I cannot speak from experience, however it could be argued that it has less negative effects than alcohol or tobacco. A THC Breathalyzer is also on the market now.

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made Jun 18 at 2016 5:00 PM

SPC Andrew Griffin — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:00:43 -0400

We will NEVER see that kind of Legalization in the Military my brother!

Response by SGT Robert Cupp made Jun 18 at 2016 5:01 PM

SGT Robert Cupp — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:01:08 -0400

Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to happen.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 18 at 2016 5:02 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:02:45 -0400

Not only does the military allow the consumption of alcohol, it facilitates it. Why not marijuana? ...and no, I don't use marijuana. Never have. And I largely gave up alcohol when I turned 21. All the fun went out of it

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 5:06 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:06:54 -0400

Even if the military one day legalized marijuana use we are nowhere near that point. Society still has a long way to come. But maybe years/decades down the road it will be time for the federal government and DOD to reassess.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 5:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:07:16 -0400

Never!

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 5:09 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:09:37 -0400

Marijuana is a drug. However, so is tobacco and alcohol.
1. Alcohol has very few positive side effects. It's use while on duty status is strictly prohibited, and with good reason. Alcohol is the leading contributor to fatal crashes.
2. Tobacco is currently allowed while on duty status. Tobacco zero health benefits, is a huge money sink hole - especially for younger Sailors, and is one of the most addictive substances known to man. As a non-user, if I were to "dip" while on duty, I would be floored and completely out of commission for a significant amount of time - all legal under the UCMJ.
3. From what I have researched, marijuana has health benefits, though it also has negative side effects. Its impact on someones current state of mind is less drastic compared to alcohol or dip. Marijuana was originally a legal drug, however became a political controversy during a race-war amongst other things relating to big business.

*I'd like to clarify, as an athlete and a professional, I would never use marijuana even if it were legalized. However, I am an enormous supporter of rights. I believe we should question our laws in depth and find the reasoning behind them. Marijuana as a controlled substance is one of those laws that I cannot reasonable understand while alcohol and tobacco are both legal.

Remember, alcohol was prohibited federally under the 18th amendment, and it wasn't until the 21st amendment did it see its legal use again.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Jun 18 at 2016 5:13 PM

LTC Kevin B. — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:13:35 -0400

Unless it's legalized at the Federal level for recreational use, I don't think it will happen anytime soon (maybe a generation or two).

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 5:23 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:23:02 -0400

It will never be legal in the military. I have seen the effects on users in Vietnam, and it was bad. I have mentioned the effects on previous posts. Is life so bad that you need to have a mind altering experience? Why do we keep having service members advocating the use of marijuana, and turn around and say that they do not use it themselves?

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Jun 18 at 2016 5:28 PM

MSG Pat Colby — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:28:43 -0400

I dislocated my shoulder doing a PLF on a fallen tree on a parachute jump back in the 80's. It pops out of socket at least once a year. I pop it back in, cry for 5 minutes and am unable to use the arm for a few weeks afterwards. I partake in a bit of smoke when this happens so I can get some sleep.

I see no difference between pot and alcohol. De-criminalize it.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jun 18 at 2016 5:48 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:48:45 -0400

Shrug, it will happen sooner or later. How did the military handle Prohibition?

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 18 at 2016 5:57 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:57:40 -0400

I would say that it is as inevitable as the Repeal of the Prohibition against Alcohol but considering how long the Taboo has been against weed, it may take a bit longer. I was amused on my last trip out to Puget Sound Navy Shipyard to see just how close the Weed Dispensary is to the Base.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 6:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:19:42 -0400

I say once the DEA deschedules the drug(and I imagine that the DEA is going to take it down a schedule or two this year before that), it becomes legal federally, and a few years after that point. If it does become legal federally, it will take years before the negative stigma to die with it(or more of the older gen to die out). Alcohol is socially acceptable in the military; marijuana is looked down upon. It will happen one day; I don't believe it's going to happen while I am serving.

Response by SGT Jimmy Carpenter made Jun 18 at 2016 7:06 PM

SGT Jimmy Carpenter — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:06:29 -0400

It won't be until/unless it is legalized on the federal level.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 7:32 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:32:39 -0400

One should note that is not legal anywhere. The federal law can be used even in the states that have allowed it.

Will they? Of course not.

Response by TSgt Joe C. made Jun 18 at 2016 7:34 PM

TSgt Joe C. — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:34:30 -0400

Won't happen while I am in...got a long ways to go yet to get to that point.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2016 8:22 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:22:21 -0400

I think it's a long way off even though I personally don't think it should be that far off. It'll likely be a few more years before its legal at the federal level and then at least 10 more years after that before the military complies. That's if the military does. Personally and scientifically speaking, marijuana isn't harmful at all while alcohol is harmful and yet alcohol is legal and even encouraged to partake in while in the military. I honestly think the only reason the military would allow marijuana is because they wouldn't be able to recruit the numbers they need with multiple states, and likely eventually the federal government, legalizing it and Americans still wanting to partake in it. If the military could recruit their numbers without allowing it, you better bet that's exactly what they'd do

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jun 18 at 2016 9:49 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:49:15 -0400

63 years.

Response by PO2 Robert M. made Jun 18 at 2016 10:39 PM

PO2 Robert M. — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:39:22 -0400

Well it is an interesting dilemma!, having Multiple Sclerosis, my Veteran's Affairs neurologist stated that "medical marijuana" might due me some good. (Minnesota legalized it in an oil format, strictly controlled under Medical Care) I asked him if he could refer (no pun intended) me to a facility to see if it would help.
He said under Federal law, he could NOT write a script for Med Marijuana, I would have to see a "civilian" doctor. I thought that is quite the conundrum! - Legal in the state he practices medicine, but he us barred from prescribing it to me because it is against FEDERAL Law.
Any thoughts?

Response by SSgt M. Har made Jun 18 at 2016 10:44 PM

SSgt M. Har — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:44:41 -0400

Once all 50 states is legalized shortly thereafter but not before

Response by SGT John Wesley made Jun 18 at 2016 10:45 PM

SGT John Wesley — Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:45:36 -0400

Absolutely Never

And I hit the "Like" because I love comedy!

Response by CPL Patrick Brewbaker made Jun 19 at 2016 12:05 AM

CPL Patrick Brewbaker — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:05:06 -0400

I'm a biologist/clinical scientist hemp works. Man made pharmaceuticals are very exact and limited. They pay is to study this. They already have patents for several cannabinoids. If you don't believe me just read. By the way it's illegal in Omdiana too. What a shame.

The lady paper I read shows it helps increase bone density. Of course we are smarter tha 6000 years of human existence.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jun 19 at 2016 12:08 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:08:04 -0400

One thing in life I've learned - "Never say never". As the military has become a great social experiment station and with it following the politically correct public, I could see it happening someday. There would have to be an acceptance at the federal level before it happens. Also look at what GO #1 has done for the military. Years ago beer was distributed by the army, so was smokes, now it's all but outlawed. Who know what the next trend will be.

Response by CPL Patrick Brewbaker made Jun 19 at 2016 12:12 AM

CPL Patrick Brewbaker — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:12:34 -0400

Does the DOD realize that the human body makes endocanabinoids? Oh I'm sorry I'm asking questions to The Great OZ.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Jun 19 at 2016 12:51 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:51:47 -0400

The larger question is whether or not it will become legal nationally. Therein is the rub. As the population of long term users increases in say WA and CO, along with the availability of study subjects, the near term results of studies are showing a high likelihood of significant health/mental issues with long term use. Too bad they didn't crack open Rodney Dangerfield's brain. Their next chance is Willie Nelson I guess. So academics, AMA, insurance companies, etc. will tend to push back on it along with their lobbies in DC. It's similar to what went on when we got a better grip on exposure to radon gas. So the "forces" against are picking up steam which will head butt with the "freedom of recreation" crowd and to a much less extent with the medical patient crowd.

Given that, I'd expect it to stay on the taboo side with the MILs. Reminds me of other things like spice which is legal to use out in town but better not get caught with it in the barracks. Since lives are on the line, I'd expect a very conservative approach by DoD who will error on the side of "safety" absent long term study results. There will likely be a similar approach to first responders as well.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2016 3:02 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 03:02:28 -0400

It will be legalized federally once the media applies the pressure to lawmakers. They get much better ratings with mass murder though, so there's little chance they'll actually commit on it.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2016 6:37 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 06:37:36 -0400

You won't see it allowed in the military until after it is federally legalized, and even then I suspect there will be hesitance from the military to allow service members to use it.

Response by SSgt Ryan Sylvester made Jun 19 at 2016 11:00 AM

SSgt Ryan Sylvester — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 11:00:20 -0400

First, it will never be legal as long as the federal government classifies it as a Schedule I narcotic. Second, even if the federal government takes it off that list (or downgrades it to Schedule III like codeine, which I think is far more likely), the military often sets its own rules for certain things. That's why the UCMJ exists. It will take far longer for the stigma of marijuana to get past the higher ups where "Good Order and Discipline" are concerned. Is that right? I don't know. I don't personally use, and that's a decision way above my pay grade.

I do know that you would see far fewer SSO messages floating around the AUTODIN channels if the feds and military decided to get with the program.

Response by MSgt John Butcher made Jun 19 at 2016 2:56 PM

MSgt John Butcher — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:56:14 -0400

I don't see if being legalized in the military due to the fact that we're on duty 24/7 365. Your decision making and reasoning may be effected and therefore you wouldn't be 100% to serve.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made Jun 19 at 2016 7:05 PM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:05:45 -0400

Hopefully never, I think the Military already have enough issues to deal with and you don't need to deal with a whole lot of pot heads.

Response by GySgt Warren Kemble made Jun 21 at 2016 6:16 AM

GySgt Warren Kemble — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 06:16:01 -0400

I hope never.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 7:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 07:41:17 -0400

Hopefully never! Too many Soldiers lack ambition already. Pot doesn't exactly increase motivation.

Response by PO2 Mark Voris made Jun 21 at 2016 7:45 AM

PO2 Mark Voris — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 07:45:33 -0400

Should never be. It isn't the same as alcohol and has other brain altering affects that are more long lasting. At least I hope it never does.

Response by PO2 Brian Lathe made Jun 21 at 2016 8:34 AM

PO2 Brian Lathe — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:34:03 -0400

Alcohol is legal in all 50 states, but you can't show up for work at any employer intoxicated. Upon legalization of mj, I am sure many employers will adopt policies similar to the military. And guess what, everyone expects the military to perform on and off duty at a higher standard. Well, I'm at least holding hope that not all of the USA has gone to s***.

Response by SGT James Hammons made Jun 21 at 2016 8:46 AM

SGT James Hammons — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:46:38 -0400

As with most things anything that can slow reaction or hinder ones ability to make sound judgements should no be used in the military setting. Keep you mind clear. Once some states pass a medical Marijuana bill they may choose not to follow federal law but they also wind up with a poor civilian workforce.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Jun 21 at 2016 8:52 AM

SFC Ken Heise — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:52:02 -0400

Hopefully never.

Response by PO3 Timothy Ellis made Jun 21 at 2016 8:57 AM

PO3 Timothy Ellis — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:57:46 -0400

I personally don't think the military should facilitate this kind of change at this time. Only when the Federal government decides to make Marijuana legal in the entire United States should this discussion even take place till then my stance is no.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 9:00 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:00:49 -0400

Until it is made legal by the Federal Government it will remain illegal in the Military. Your argument of less negative affects then tobacco is in valid. Marijuana makes you high, something that tobacco does not do. Depending upon which research you believe marijuana is either More/less or about the same as tobacco when it comes to causing cancer. I see it eventually being legal in the United States but until it is I don't think the Military will even consider addressing the issue.

Response by LTJG Edward Bangor Jr made Jun 21 at 2016 9:06 AM

LTJG Edward Bangor Jr — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:06:09 -0400

It's a foregone conclusion that marijuana will be legalized in the civilian world. Popular support wildly favors the legalization of medical marijuana. And with more and more states also allowing for recreational use, I don't think the feds can continue to fight against it. (Side note: it's interesting that there GOP is usually about states' rights, but side with DC on pot, while Dems are the other way around). It's going to happen.

I think the longer term estimates for the military to adopt it are odd, though. If it becomes legal, people will use it. If the DoD doesn't bend on the rules about marijuana, recruitment will suffer. The only option becomes to allow people to enlist or commission without making a big deal of past marijuana use. And then there's not much of a leg to stand on to keep it illegal.

Yes, the military will lag, but the 10+ year estimates I think are way too long.

Response by SSG Dale London made Jun 21 at 2016 9:30 AM

SSG Dale London — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:30:20 -0400

No telling. Pot was criminalized so that William Randolph Hurst would not be put out of the paper business by the production of cheaper and higher quality hemp.
As far as I am concerned, so long as the same regulations against being drunk on duty are applied to being stoned on duty (i.e. zero tolerance) there should be no "real" obstacle.
By the way - I don't drink, smoke, toke, shoot up or pop pills. I do, however, strongly oppose the government's attempts to tell me how to live my life. I agree with Thomas Jefferson: "That government is best that governs least."

Response by SSG Dale London made Jun 21 at 2016 9:34 AM

SSG Dale London — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:34:47 -0400

I see a lot of "never" replies on this post and I am reminded that, when I joined many moons ago, the question of gays serving or women holding a combat MOS both also received the reply of "never."
Never is an awful long time, folks.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Jun 21 at 2016 9:41 AM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:41:50 -0400

The UCMJ is not based on any state laws. It is based on federal laws. Under federal law the use of tobacco and alcohol are legal (except when you drink and drive), marijuana use is illegal under federal law. But even if the Congress changes the federal laws about marijuana, they will still have to pass a separate law to address its use within the UCMJ.

Response by SSgt Robert Dant made Jun 21 at 2016 10:40 AM

SSgt Robert Dant — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:40:18 -0400

Never as many of the states that legalized it are now seeing the health side effects of drugs.

Much greater effect on the body than alcohol.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Jun 21 at 2016 10:58 AM

SFC J Fullerton — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:58:29 -0400

Should never be legal in the military.

Response by MSgt Jeff Greene made Jun 21 at 2016 10:58 AM

MSgt Jeff Greene — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:58:54 -0400

I don't see the military legalizing marijuana. By and large there is already an alcohol problem and there is no need to add to it. There is already widespread use of drugs throughout the military and it causes many problems. Maybe, when people learn to follow the laws - DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE, DO NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL WHILE UNDERAGE - there will be a time but I doubt it.

Response by PO3 William Garner made Jun 21 at 2016 11:12 AM

PO3 William Garner — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:12:47 -0400

" Legal in the military"? As soon as the feds decide to quit this charade that it's a schedule 1 substance and stops prosecuting people for what amounts to getting a buzz on in the base club, we could have that discussion. No one advocates usage on duty anymore than you're allowed to get hammered before going on duty. But there's too much evidence of the medical applications for them to withhold pot instead of handing out handfuls of narcotics with all their side affects. Even casual usage shouldn't be an issue, anymore than being allowed to drink at your local base EM club should be. But until the Feds lighten up, I don't see it becoming legal in the military. And yes, I've smoked for over 40 years, hold down a full time responsible technical job in the power industry and it has no more affect on my job than it does when my co-workers get hammered at the local bar the night before at their local bar.

Response by SrA Michael Dorwaldt made Jun 21 at 2016 11:30 AM

SrA Michael Dorwaldt — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:30:33 -0400

And if one is high or drunk, how does one work or shoot accurately? One can be of any sexual preference and shoot straight, but not drunk or high!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 12:17 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:17:30 -0400

I see everyone keeps saying when states legalize....reality is Military all branches are Federal service (except perhaps the national guard) and until the United States Government legalize it which will not happen in the foreseeable future. It will take even longer for the military institution to allow its use.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 12:49 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:49:25 -0400

This change will be slow in coming. The current command has a mindset against Marijuana and is unlikely to change that opinion because of state laws. It will probably take decades as people from states with legalized marijuana laws move in to command positions and have a top down change in perspective.

Response by SPC Thomas Hanson made Jun 21 at 2016 12:56 PM

SPC Thomas Hanson — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:56:53 -0400

Everyone I used to know that did use marijuana listens to a lot more music, but can do a lot less math. I'll keep the math.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Jun 21 at 2016 1:56 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:56:48 -0400

I would think never. It is not legal in the US in any state because of the Federal Law that describes it as a controlled substance with little or no medical use. The motor functions while on that particular illegal drug degrade your ability to move around safely, make critical decisions. On a ship that would be lethal in many cases. The same goes for the Air Force. Imagine an aircraft maintainer high while performing routine work on the plane. It is absolutely detrimental to good order and disciplne and has no business being involved with military service. If you are interested in seeing the effects of drug use and the Navy do some research of mishaps, accidents, and gross violations of duty just after Viet Nam. You might be surprised.

Response by PO1 Scott Cottrell made Jun 21 at 2016 4:35 PM

PO1 Scott Cottrell — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:35:02 -0400

Until the Federal Government legalizes it. It will not happen.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 6:32 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:32:38 -0400

As a cerified drug recognition expert or DRE I can say that I hope it is never legal. The associated high with marijuana use is not correlated to its impairment as it is with alcohol. Although the "high" only lasts hours, the impairment on the body lasts for approximately a week. Even though it is legal in some states, users are in esence giving up their ability to drive as they would be impaired for a week after a single use. In the military this impairment puts lives at risk. I have given DUIs to people who smoked many days prior and were no longer high, but still impaired.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 6:32 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:32:56 -0400

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 8:25 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 20:25:26 -0400

It won't. Some concerning side effects of THC include slowed reaction time, increased heart rate, lowering of blood pressure, and increased bleeding.

Do any of these sound like potential symptoms you would want in a soldier?

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jun 21 at 2016 11:33 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 23:33:24 -0400

Until congress removes it from the class one law, in the mean time I will take my pain pills and fly...

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jun 22 at 2016 1:08 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 01:08:15 -0400

When?
1:After it is federally removed from the illicit drug schedule
2: After there is a instant read out test to confirm use (Like BAC is for Alcohol)
Once those two things happen, there is no reason it should not be allowed. People should make an adult, educated decision if any ingestion of a drug, be it nicotine, Alcohol, prescription or THC is a acceptable and ok thing.. so long as it does not affect one's duties.. IOW no being under the influence while on duty or in a position, status where recall to duty in a prescribed time line would be less that the drug effects lasted..

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 2:00 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 02:00:56 -0400

Well here is a not so smart guys response to that and I will respond from an Army prospective. Most medical conditions currently being treated by Marijuana would probably be Medical Board conditions anyway. Listen the Army is forward very few REMF positions in the Army. Even if you had a condition that required Marijuana it would be like insulin dependency you could not deploy to war zone. So my answer would be never if I were in charge!

Response by MSG Timothy Lawton Sr made Jun 22 at 2016 6:33 AM

MSG Timothy Lawton Sr — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 06:33:49 -0400

Unless the Federal Government legalize it, it will always be illegal in the Military, regardless of what the States does.

Response by SFC Mamerto Perez made Jun 22 at 2016 12:24 PM

SFC Mamerto Perez — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 12:24:21 -0400

I don't condom Marijuana or have ever smoke it but I was with with soldiers many times in the Mortar 4.2 Range and their expertise had no flaws.

Response by SPC Rob Robinson made Jun 22 at 2016 5:42 PM

SPC Rob Robinson — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:42:07 -0400

Don't smoke it on an operation where I and and my teammates are dependent on your clear-headed functionality. There's a steep downside.

Alcohol has always been more or less legal and it did not impede function because we didn't drink on the job.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jun 22 at 2016 10:52 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:52:50 -0400

I hope it never get approved No one want some that is impaired they wont be able to do there Job.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 11:16 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 23:16:20 -0400

I definitely appreciate all the comments and different point of views.

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Jun 23 at 2016 4:37 PM

SFC Jerry Humphries — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:13 -0400

The Pandora's box has been opened. It's only a matter of time. I live in Colorado and there are Medical Dispenserys Everywhere. Many areas recreational use is proving to be a Revenue maker for Towns and cities. I am not a
User but I do not see a problem with those that do. Responsible use is what is being promoted here and For the most part that is what I have observed. I think If California Leagelizes there will be an avalanche of other states following suit. I think all states should allow legitimate medical use. And I stress Legitimate. I know there are a lot of fake Medical users but there are some with real medical issues it helps.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2016 4:51 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:51:04 -0400

There we definitely a lot of mixed answers here. Were marijuana federally legalized, what types of stipulations would the military put in it besides the requirement of being sober while on duty.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jun 25 at 2016 11:55 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sat, 25 Jun 2016 23:55:39 -0400

Back when I was a young Army Lieutenant in the early 1980's the Army moved away from encouraging smoking, drinking and fatty foods. Smoking and drinking were the toughest sells. We had cigarettes in C-rations and had been taking smoke breaks for well before I enlisted in 1974.
I used to smoke and drink and I also smoked marijuana in the 1970s. Cigarettes had filters while marijuana does not get filtered unless you include water in water pipes. Since the purpose of inhaling marijuana is generally to get high it is similar to alcohol consumption in that respect.
We know that inhaling unfiltered smoke is generally bad for us which is why many people cough the first time they smoke anything.
I would not expect the military to repeal UCMJ Article 112 anytime soon. After all UCMJ Article 125 Sodomy is still on the books even after the Federal government has repealed "don't ask don't tell" and embraced LGBT. the Federal government does not turn on a dime. ENS Private RallyPoint Member

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2016 2:12 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 02:12:54 -0400

I don't use marijuana and don't plan on starting. In the state of Washington we have legalized marijuana with some mixed outcomes. They where hoping it would stop black market sales but that hasn't been the case. If you search long enough you can find pros and cons of the use of marijuana. And I have no doubt it does help some medical patients manage pain. Personally I have never been a fan of legislation but it is what it is. I think in time it will be considered in the same realm as alcohol or tobacco. Eventually we will see the fed legalize it and in time the military will follow suit.

Response by SGT Jason Latham made Jun 26 at 2016 5:58 AM

SGT Jason Latham — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:58:05 -0400

It should not be legal. It alters the state of mind of people. I would not want to be on a mission with someone high. I would think they would not be of sound mind to carry out their assignments of the mission.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2016 2:52 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:52:24 -0400

Just to reiterate, in this discussion service members would have be allowed to ingest THC while on duty; the same as they would not be able to ingest alcohol while on duty. The affects of alcohol on the mind dissipates at the rate of about 1 hour per drink. The affects of THC on the mind dissipates in approximately 1-3 hours depending on how the THC was administered (i.e smoked or ingested). This topic is about THC on liberty. There should still be a zero tolerance policy on being high or drunk while on duty..

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2016 3:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:30 -0400

ENS Private RallyPoint Member, If it's legalized in the military, will it be leagal to use it if in combat?what will the military do when the smokers graduate to something that makes them feel more stoned? Marijuana was used a lot in Vietnam. It was used more after I left. I had a few VN buddies busted down to PVT, when they were caught here in the states at Ft. Campbell. The pot smokers graduated to hard drugs. Would anyone want to be on a battlefield with stoned buddies. I wouldn't. The stuff smoked in Vietnam was100%, uncut, marijuana. I saw several smokers stoned while on air assaults. I've never smoked it, and I never will, especially at my age. I wanted to know what was happening 100% of the time. No, I don't think it should be legal in the military. That would be one of the dumbest things the military could do. If I'm in pain all the time, I get some medicine from the VA, which usually does the trick, and I don't abuse it. The people in pain that smoke it, is their decision. I don't even drink or smoke anymore because smokers stink.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jun 27 at 2016 6:54 AM

Capt Tom Brown — Mon, 27 Jun 2016 06:54:21 -0400

I tend to agree with those who say it is not likely it will or should be allowed in the military any time soon. As a former small unit commander I saw first hand what alcohol abuse could do to a person and a unit. Some of the stories about pot smoking in RVN have much truth to them. You don't want yr sailors down in the voids toking while underweigh and then reporting for watch. On the civilian side I don't see it as any worse than alcohol just another source of trouble if misused or overused.

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Jun 29 at 2016 12:22 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:22:18 -0400

Unfortunately, the majority of statistics promoting pro-weed come from organizations that are pro-weed. For example:
https://www.merryjane.com/health/marijuana-based-drug-helps-kids-with-rare-form-of-epilepsy

The majority of statistics against weed legalization come from anti-weed organizations. For example:
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/advocate-drug-task-force-legalizing-marijuana-harmful-101035/

Funny how that happens.

According to an interview Katie Couric conducted with the Governor of Colorado in May 2016, he says the effects are hardly as bad as he originally predicted. He also adds, however, it will take a few more years to truly analyze the effects on the state.
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/gov-hickenlooper-on-clinton-vs-sanders-the-150201955.html

Marijuana-Based Drug Helps Kids with Rare Forms of Epilepsy in Studies

Marijuana-based drug is used to treat epilepsy.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jun 29 at 2016 1:02 PM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:02:31 -0400

ENS Private RallyPoint Member With the many changes in regulations with regard to women in combat, transgenders in the military and making accommodations, and the acceptance of Gays in the military, why wouldn't we allow drugs too. I'm not for it or against it, but some real thought needs to be place on removing UCMJ Article 112 completely or amending it to cover the use of Marijuana during normal duty hours or under combat situations, or in the Theater of War, period. Remember, we have Genarl Order 1A in play for Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Just some thoughts!

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jul 13 at 2016 6:23 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:23:13 -0400

Probably in the year NEVER. People would loose confidence in the arm forces...(imagine that) and the Gov't cannot allow that now can they?

Response by AA Charles Grammer made Jul 28 at 2016 5:48 PM

AA Charles Grammer — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:48:44 -0400

it should be soon it is safer than booze.

Response by CPT Earl George made Aug 4 at 2016 1:26 PM

CPT Earl George — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:26:07 -0400

I was stationed in Europe in the early 70's. Marijuana was hard to come by. Hashish(Hash), on the other hand was not. We set up bivouac one day and one of my troops start making up a bowl not 20 yards from me. The hard core users would do up to a half dozen bowls daily. I saw drugs screw up quite a few people.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made Aug 5 at 2016 11:15 AM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:15:39 -0400

Hopefully never, don't you think the military has enough problems? This social experiment with the Military must stop. I blame the weak General Officers we have now, nobody stands up for what is right, just yes men that are only concerned with their careers.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2016 2:37 AM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 02:37:52 -0400

I appreciate all the responses I have received with this question. I've heard both sides and strong opinions from many respected members of the RallyPoint community. Yet another example of how dynamic and supportive this community is.

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 17 at 2017 12:05 AM

SCPO Ysmael Ramos — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:05:40 -0400

It impairs you for one. You can be operating a lethal weapon, driving machinery for combat, or standing the watch so your comrades can get some shut eye. Never will happen. There used to be questions on your enlistment contract on general information on your use of alcohol, drugs, and sexuality. The answers to enlist were NO and all was fine.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 8:49 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:49:09 -0400

Not until it is federally legalized, but with so many states legalizing it I can see it get to the point where the military will be struggling to get recruited unless it allows it

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 19 at 2017 10:08 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:08:57 -0400

I would say half past never. There is no real way to test between stoned last night and stoned on duty. Civilian employers struggle with this already.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Aug 22 at 2017 1:08 PM

PO2 David Allender — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:08:56 -0400

I hope never. Reading a research from Columbia University, using data from six states: California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and West Virginia. Toxicology test on drivers iinvolded in fatal car accidents, 23,500 drivers died within one hour of accident (1999-2010): Alcohol related was about 40%; drugs & alcohol was about 28% (2010) This was 18% over 1999. A person under alcohol is 13 times more likely to have accident than non alcohol related accident; Person with alcohol/drugs is 24 times more likely to have accident. This study was published online in American Journal of Toxicology. Therefore, sorry kids, but drugs are out. I saw the result of drugs in Nam. Lives are to valuable to be influenced by drugs, during combat, or in area of possible combat situation in any service. Others depend on your performance. If you let them down, they die as well as you. Another words, the life you save maybe your own & your buddies. think about this.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Aug 22 at 2017 1:13 PM

PO2 David Allender — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:13:43 -0400

One more item to add to my previous comment: There are no devises on market to evaluate the user of drugs. There is one for alcohol. So short of one knowing the signs of drug use, there is no way to determine a person on drugs.

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Aug 22 at 2017 1:19 PM

SGT Christopher Lachcik — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:19:20 -0400

Never. Don't need that shit in our military. A majority of soldiers can't even handle alcohol for shit sake.

Response by SFC William Stephens made Aug 22 at 2017 2:51 PM

SFC William Stephens — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:51:03 -0400

Its already legal through the VA system for some major treatments on vets with PTSD.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2017 3:38 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:38:52 -0400

My guess would be at least another ten years. I was never a user and don't plan on ever doing so, but it's about time it gets legalized nationwide, to include the military. We're always behind the times on most things—well, the Marine Corps is, anyway. If anything, legalization in the military could equal more tax revenue to help fund essential things in our military. Just sayin'...

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Aug 26 at 2017 1:20 PM

1LT Vance Titus — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:20:49 -0400

Like alcohol marijuana can impair judgement. The effects of alcohol are out of the human system in 12 to 48 hours. The effects of marijuana may remain in the system for up to three weeks and may be compounded by further use during that time. Marijuana should not be legalized in the military, ever.

Response by CPO Mark Robinson made Aug 26 at 2017 5:44 PM

CPO Mark Robinson — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:44:05 -0400

The real question is: "Has military personnel matured enough to handle the responsibility"? What led to the drug testing policy in 1982 was the complete disregard to the Navy's policy of not using while aboard ship or on base. Of course the Navy's policy of "what you do on the beach is your business, just don't do it on base/ship" goes against good order and discipline when you tell them its okay to break the law, just don't do it on my ship. Now if it becomes legal and the sailors understand the laws of when and where you can partake and the military's policy on alcohol and drug abuse then I believe it just might work.

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Aug 27 at 2017 8:59 AM

SGT Christopher Lachcik — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 08:59:10 -0400

NEVER.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jan 19 at 2018 12:45 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 00:45:24 -0500

Don't count on it.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 7 at 2018 1:55 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:55:39 -0400

hopefully never.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 16 at 2018 6:56 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:56:14 -0500

I don’t think it will happen any time soon(imho). Too many ifs ...

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Dec 30 at 2022 1:23 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 01:23:48 -0500

ENS Private RallyPoint Member It should be legal for all service member right now; follow the logic.
The President is the Commander in Chief.
During the Bethany Griner "Situation" President Biden pardoned the Federal Drug conviction for Marijuana.
Since the President pardoned the Marijuana Possessing convicts, then that must mean that he condones and approves of the use of Marijuana and therefore it is OK for the Military off duty......
-----OR---------
Joe Biden is a hypocrite that only pardoned less than 4,000 people and no one of the hundreds of thousands in the United States on Marijuana charges at state level, because the Special interest wanted Bethany Griner released from Russia because she is an LGBTQ, female athlete of color. ANd he needed to do a little PANDERING to the left....Pandering to those that know no better....Pandering to those that only have the Special Interest at heart.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Jan 9 at 2023 8:34 AM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 08:34:51 -0500

Hope not. Marijuana has not business in the military.Keep the pot -heads out of the service.

Response by PO1 Edward Speary made Feb 3 at 2023 6:27 PM

PO1 Edward Speary — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 18:27:05 -0500

never

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Feb 14 at 2023 7:51 PM

SPC Kynthia Rosgeal — Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:51:19 -0500

It's not that patients don't need an alternative to narcotics (such as opiods) it's the idiots who cannot figure out that duty time isn't the right time to be indulging.

I was 7 years infantry. Now disabled (serv connected) and I use weed for things related to my injury. But. When I was 17 and fresh out of AIT handing me that as a med would have been a serious Charley Foxtrot.

Response by PO1 Dan Gomez made Feb 22 at 2023 4:57 PM

PO1 Dan Gomez — Wed, 22 Feb 2023 16:57:46 -0500

Marijuana should NOT be legalized for the Active Military! If you have an injuries from your military service, I can see the VA making it legal. I Know people who do not get the VA care they've earned because they get more relief with medical Marijuana.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Mar 17 at 2023 2:48 PM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:48:29 -0400

Never! I don't want them to stone while operating machinery, on patrol or other missions. Stay alert, stay alive. One cannot be alert while being stoned, can we?

Response by PO1 Daniel Jankowski made Mar 17 at 2023 4:38 PM

PO1 Daniel Jankowski — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 16:38:15 -0400

I doubt that it ever will be legal to use while in the military no matter if it is federally legalized. It has something to do with how long THC stays in the system or something like a pot hangover. It still affects you even though you don't feel high anymore.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Mar 17 at 2023 4:50 PM

SP5 James Elmore — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 16:50:10 -0400

Who knows if or when the civilian bureaucracy or military will ever treat MJ as a legal drug like alcohol. My advice is that if employed by the Federal Government in a civilian, military, or contractor capacity, you not use PERIOD. If you can't do that, you should not be working for the Government. Is it worth the risk to you? Don't think about 1 year, think about the long term effects of getting caught. Think also about integrity and your oath.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Mar 18 at 2023 8:27 AM

Sgt Ivan Boatwright — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:27:44 -0400

Alcohol and cigarettes are deadly in combat for the person using them. Marijuana is just another way to kill yourself in combat.

Response by SGM Art Hudson made Mar 18 at 2023 8:38 AM

SGM Art Hudson — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:38:13 -0400

Drugs have no place in the military, I understand that some may need it for health purposes, but just allowing it as recreational will create a serious problem. Example; using drugs while firing a weapon, driving a military vehicle with troops, fighting in a combat situation, and lastly spousal or animal abuse. Please the powers to be think about this seriously.

Response by CW3 Josiah John made Mar 19 at 2023 12:22 PM

CW3 Josiah John — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:31 -0400

Unfortunately, as long as it is still Federally illegal, it will be prohibited under UCMJ. As others have mentioned, though, several states (looks like 21 states + D.C. as of 2022) have made recreational marijuana legal. It's just a matter of time until it is removed from the list of Schedule 1 drugs.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 19 at 2023 4:08 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 16:08:33 -0400

UCMJ Article 112a applies to use, manufacture, and distribution of prohibited substances. Use of this article with regard to marijuana won’t be changed until marijuana is downgraded to the same level of control at federal level as alcohol

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Mar 19 at 2023 8:31 PM

1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:31:47 -0400

Why in the Hell would the military want to legalize and make available a psychoactive drug that can impair judgement, affect your nervous system and slow brain function, and alter your perception of reality. The military has enough problems with Alcohol and all of its related functional impairments. Sometime in the "Far" Future, some liberal members of our Congress will probably legalize it. Hopefully, I will not be around to see this happen! The argument about lesser effect than alcohol may be valid. It's still an illegal substance and we should not give any consideration to legalization!

Response by CW4 Thomas Shefflette made Mar 20 at 2023 1:26 PM

CW4 Thomas Shefflette — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:26:54 -0400

All drugs do is change the way the brain receives pain signals. Instead of asking when or if the military will ever change and allow Marijuana, find an alternative source for pain control. I have been receiving acupuncture for many years through the VA. I was a helicopter pilot for over 30 years and have severe neck and back issues along with other injuries and accupuncture relieves my need for any other pain control for weeks at a time. My last need for prescribed pain meds was for a knee replacement last year.

Response by Sgt Ralph Barrett made Mar 21 at 2023 12:45 PM

Sgt Ralph Barrett — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:45:16 -0400

Never

Response by SSgt Carroll Straus made Mar 21 at 2023 1:58 PM

SSgt Carroll Straus — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:58:14 -0400

I also use indica meditionally. There’s a huge difference in how it affects me (compared to alcohol.) Unfortunately, there can be no studies done until the feds change the rules. It’s high time they did. (Pun intended.)

Response by SSgt Glenn Martin made Mar 22 at 2023 2:29 AM

SSgt Glenn Martin — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:29:52 -0400

I hope pot is Never allowed in the military, they have enough to deal with concerning alcohol.
Being high could cost lives. If you want to smoke that stuff get out of the service.

Response by SA Steven Biggio made Mar 23 at 2023 1:16 AM

SA Steven Biggio — Thu, 23 Mar 2023 01:16:46 -0400

All that tax revenue is great.
Been legal in WA for 10 years. Military should... Been in use forever anyway.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2023 6:11 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Mar 2023 18:11:30 -0400

I could see it possibly being legalized for medical purposes as studies have shown that it does have some medicinal qualities. But as far as general recreational use, I think the leadership should legalize it when Hell freezes over. It is my opinion that drugs have no place in the military other than for legitimate medical purposes. It's bad enough that I have to put up with soldiers who insist on having their cigarettes and alcohol (which I believe should also be banned) and not caring how it impact others. I don't believe having soldiers who are high would do the army any good either. This is my opinion.

Response by CDR Brad Douglas made Mar 25 at 2023 11:51 AM

CDR Brad Douglas — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 11:51:14 -0400

As a man Aviation Medical Examiner and 30 years in the military as both an aviator / physician I can tell you there are underlying issues with Marijuana … namely the ingredient THC which you can never get rid of even in OTC products … THC causes many effects to being alert and ability to think clearly so hence I do not believe the federal government nor the military will ever allow. In addition just because this is legal in many states does not make it legal if you are in federal property or if you work for the state such as in law enforcement … so be careful.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 26 at 2023 5:12 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 05:12:45 -0400

I'm Not For Or Against It.
I DO Have One Question, Though..
Why Would We Want MORE Sh*t To Fk-Us Up Than We Already Have?
Ain't We Dumb Enough Yet?
Just Look Around Ya......Now Ya Understand Why I'm Ask'en?

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Mar 26 at 2023 10:39 AM

PFC Edward Krinsky — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:39:47 -0400

Marijuana should NOT be used as a pain killer or for any other reason. It dulls the senses, and has along half life once in the body. It can be de detected in the body up to 60 days after use. We need a military which is sharp and alert. There are other medications which can effectively deal with pain.
ekrinsky RN (retired)

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Mar 26 at 2023 2:42 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 14:42:47 -0400

If you want to smoke weed "DON'T" join the military .

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Mar 26 at 2023 4:38 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:38:11 -0400

Pot is not a panacea for all ailments.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Mar 27 at 2023 11:35 AM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:35:11 -0400

I hope never it would be just one more thing to ruin the military .

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Mar 27 at 2023 11:52 AM

SPC John Tacetta — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:52:52 -0400

When it becomes legal on the Federal level, whenever that occurs. Unlike Billy, inhale, but don't hold your breath.

Response by PO3 Jared Johnson made Mar 29 at 2023 10:01 AM

PO3 Jared Johnson — Wed, 29 Mar 2023 10:01:51 -0400

For what it's worth ... I have knees that I swear my great grandfather willed to me upon his death. I was led to CBD oil WITHOUT the THC. You can take it in two ways, either as a cream rubbed on the afflicted area, or, a drop or two sublingual (under the tongue). I could not believe how great it worked ! By using it this way, you won't show up "hot" on any testing. BUT, if you want the buzz, go for the real McCoy.

Response by Sgt Melinda Pamphrey made Apr 14 at 2023 4:38 PM

Sgt Melinda Pamphrey — Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:38:35 -0400

I have read stories where the service branches are currently turning a blind eye to recruits high on dope just to get the numbers because they can't recruit young people otherwise. There is no "how long until..." here's already here. We do not need drug addicts in the military, unfortunately there are no young people who have been brought up "right" who are willing to serve their country. As long as they can sit home and let mommy and daddy take care of them until mommy and daddy die they're happy. Kids today do not know what responsibility and accountability are because they haven't been taught by their parents.

Response by SGT Noel Hoffman made Apr 18 at 2023 2:14 PM

SGT Noel Hoffman — Tue, 18 Apr 2023 14:14:41 -0400

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as just decriminalization. Alcohol use is not criminal unless you perform an action that is explicitly accounted for in law, underaged consumption, operating a motor vehicle under the influence, etc. Marijuana could be decriminalized but then state/local governments can enforce operation of vehicles under the influence as the criminal offense. Just as the military does not allow being intoxicated during work hours, you can face UCMJ for actions while under the influence of the item. Would the military codify this kind of thing if marijuana was decriminalized at the Federal level.. absolutely. Unfortunately for Marijuana users, the effects of Marijuana outlast that of alcohol and this would vastly effect how that would play out.

Alcohol consumed to the 0.08% BAC limit for most laws, would take approx 5 and a half hours to metabolize alcohol and bring your BAC to 0%.

Marijuana would take upwards of 90 days depending on the test involved and medical effects can be present from 12-24 hours, depending on edible vs inhaled sources. That could make it unrealistic even if decriminalized.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Apr 19 at 2023 1:18 AM

Sgt Neil Foster — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:18:45 -0400

It will not be legal until FEDERAL restrictions are eliminated. The military even bans CBD, which has MANY medical benefits, and is NON-PSYCHOACTIVE (it doesn't get you high)

Response by SGM Ralph Hurley made Apr 19 at 2023 12:45 PM

SGM Ralph Hurley — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:45:41 -0400

Having retired and moved to the civilian medical sector, it is still prohibited for us in medicine to use any product that has THC in it. I am sure you would like to have your surgeon stoned off his a$$, when he is getting ready to start your surgery?. Crazy.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Apr 19 at 2023 6:35 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:35:10 -0400

I think it will happen, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime. I'm 62. I'm also an ORF. Old Retired Fucker. Should it be legalized? Sure, why not. Contrary to what the DEA says, it's not really a gateway drug. They're still stuck on stupid, thinking Reefer Madness is a documentary, rather than a comedy.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2023 10:48 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 22:48:22 -0400

Just way too much money to lose at the end of the day. Pump us full of “Legal Drugs” instead. Why cant a soldier drink at 18 ? Gonna serve this country and might give their lives for it before being able to order a beer!! Money and Politics is all. Questions that should ve been handled decades ago!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2023 9:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:11:53 -0400

Never. Even if it's federally legalized, it will not be legal to be used in the military.

Response by LT Tom Grugle made Apr 23 at 2023 11:42 AM

LT Tom Grugle — Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:42:37 -0400

Less negative ≠positive.

Response by CPL Sheila Lewis made Apr 24 at 2023 4:32 PM

CPL Sheila Lewis — Mon, 24 Apr 2023 16:32:45 -0400

Please do not make pot legal in the US Military.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made May 24 at 2023 11:08 AM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Wed, 24 May 2023 11:08:12 -0400

From experience with family I hope it never is. I do understand the "medicinal" properties, but those are outweighed by the lack of drive and ambition, lack of attention to detail, being alert...all things that every job in the military requires. Imagine, if you will, a bomb loader on a B-52 crew getting called in on alert to load bombs while under the influence; consider that tank crew that may have to go into harm's way on short notice and folks are "mellowed out" instead of alert; consider an aircraft carrier trying to stabilize in order to launch aircraft in rough seas when the bridge crew is feeling just a little foggy....the scenarios of our emergency responsibilities are endless. Yes, pot can help with pain because of what it does to the brain, but at the same time it is being harmful to both the lungs and stomach, creating very deniable addictions. And, yes, pot itself can be and is addictive to a portion of the folks using it. Do some research on the effects of pot and high blood pressure, pot and lung diseases, pot and stomach irritation....you may find yourself deciding to use a legal drug with much less side effects.

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Jun 6 at 2023 8:52 PM

PO1 Terry Scott — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 20:52:54 -0400

In Nam junk was the drug of choice because it didn’t cause hallucinations just a sense of wellbeing but dope caused a lot of random automatic fire because they saw shit. Your call.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jun 6 at 2023 9:03 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:03:31 -0400

In Nam in the early seventies all troops smoked and drank in base camp ….it didnt have to be legal ….

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Jun 15 at 2023 4:39 PM

SGT Erick Holmes — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:39:27 -0400

That will never happen in any branch. You can't. Its like making drinking legal at any time on duty.

Response by MAJ Albert McCaig made Jun 16 at 2023 11:41 PM

MAJ Albert McCaig — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 23:41:58 -0400

I’ve seen the ravages of alcohol. And I’ve seen the ravages of marijuana.. Can’t tell much difference. Both are harmful. Both steal the drive to perform. Both are introductory drugs. Treat them the same.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jun 18 at 2023 4:24 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:24:58 -0400

I’m all for it as long as the member isn’t (as with alcohol) high when on duty

Response by SGT Brian “Doc” Burry made Jun 18 at 2023 6:35 PM

SGT Brian “Doc” Burry — Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:35:14 -0400

The UC Davis study found over 700 carcinogens in Marijuana! The states that have made it legal, are having tremendous overdoses from accidental ingestion by children, and more driving under the influence of marijuana accidents, both injury and fatal! It’s text time, speed, ratios, and responses by people under the influence. Why on earth would we want our military operating highly technical equipment, being under the influence of this substance? Lastly, just because you try marijuana does it mean you’ll try other drugs, but the maj of heroin addiction started out with marijuana. It is not for military consumption, or they should just get out and do it all they want on their own.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 26 at 2023 6:00 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:00:58 -0400

you can Argue all day about the befits, of medical or Recreational marijuana,
how it is Legal in your state,
it does not matter, as long as the Federal Government keeps it classified as a illegal drug,
it is completely illegal for military members to purchase, own or use, medical marijuana, it does not matter that the city's, or state you live in has decriminalize Marijuana, as long as it is against Federal law, it is illegal for military member to purchase, own or use.

lets not forget if you are using medical marijuana, or Recreational Marijuana in a state that has Legalized Marijuana you still cannot legally purchase or use medical or Recreational marijuana, or purchase and own a firearm, not even for self defense.

It has always been illegal for you to purchase or own a firearm, if you are using a illegal Drugs, this is on the Government ATF 4473 Form, Marijuana has always been illegal at the federal level, so unlike Joe Biden son Hunter Biden you will be facing serious prison time, why? you are not the son of a Congressman, senator, vice president or President . that why, so much for Equal Justice under the law!

for example the state of FL, Will Happily give you a Medical Marijuana card, along with your canceled carry permit, at the exact same time, even though they know it is against the federal law

yet if you are carrying that firearm while under the influence alcohol, or Drugs, you loose your right to carry a concealed weapon for self defense, yes this includes medical Marijuana, ironic isn't it?

you can be arrested, prosecuted and placed in prison for illegally Lying on the Government ATF Forum 4473,
yet the state of FL, will allow you to have a concealed carry permit, while you have a medical or Recreational marijuana, card, knowing if you have a medical or Recreational marijuana, card it is illegal for you to Purchasing & Own a new firearm, per ATF FOURM 4473, it is also illegally for you to purchases and own a firearm or to legally carry a cancelled weapon while under the influence of illegal Drugs.
so the state of FL, has very confusing laws, it is as if they are purposely setting up law abiding gun owning citizens,
for example in the state of FL you have the right to self defense as long as you have a legal right to be there , this is why the state of Fl passed the Castle Doctrine, it allows you to defend yourself and family from violent criminals, the state of FL, also passed stand your ground law, it allows you to defend yourself, family and others from violent criminals, as long as you have the legal right to be there, as long as you are not breaking any laws, this being stated using medical marijuana is breaking federal law, so you no longer can use stand your ground law, or the castle Doctrine, because using medical or Recreational marijuana, is against federal law, and the first thing the city or state prosecutor will do will to be to strip you of your constitutional right of self defense. why and How? YOU BROKE FEDERAL LAW!

God forbid you use your Concealed carry weapon for self defense while under the Influence of Alcohol, drugs or medical Marijuana, you just lost your right to self-defense, and the city, state prosecutor will have you investigated, arrested and prosecuted, why? you were breaking the law by carrying and using your firearm while under the influence of illegal drugs and alcohol, so even though you had the legal right to defend yourself, and the state gave you the right to use Medical Marijuana, this same state will have you investigated, arrested and Prosecuted because you were using a illegal drug under federal law, they will prosecute you for lying on ATF Forum 4473, to purchase your firearm,

Remember you lost your right to purchases, own or use any firearm for self-defense all because of that medical Marijuana card that the state of FL gave you, not to mention the state of FL, set you up for federal prosecution by giving you your cancelled carry permit, at the same time they gave you your medical Marijuana card , so do not get the medical or Recreational marijuana card.

it no different than if you were drinking or driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, even though the car accident was not your fault, you will be found at fault automatically because you are under the influence of drugs and alcohol, so you should have never been driving .

FL, law enforcement Officers all knows that you have a valid driver License , that you have a canceled carry permit, and that you have a Medical Marijuana card, they have no need to ask, they have all the paperwork they need to investigate, arrest and prosecute you for driving under the influence, for lying on A Federal Government ATF Forum 4473 , to purchasing and own a firearm,

so you have to ask yourself a simple question, is using medical or Recreational Marijuana worth loosing your right to drive, your 2nd amendment rights, and your right to self defense along with your Military Government befits ?
my answer is NO!

remember the state will not remove your driver License, cancel your cancelled carry permit, or medical or Recreational marijuana, card, until you have a car accident, or defend yourself from a violent criminal , then and only then will the city, or state prosecutor have law enforcement investigate, arrest and Prosecute you, until then they allow you to believe you are legal , because you jumped though all of there hoops to get the driver License, Concealed carry permit, and medical or Recreational marijuana card, in reality you just made it easer for the city, or state prosecutor to get a conviction.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jun 26 at 2023 7:04 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:04:06 -0400

Really …….really ……

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jul 24 at 2023 11:57 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:57:18 -0400

I WAS thinking that I'll be long gone from this Earth before they legalize in the military. Now I'm not so sure.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2023 9:46 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 09:46:28 -0400

Currently marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance at the federal level.
After that changes, then other changes will follow.

Response by LTC Jorge Cordero made Aug 9 at 2023 8:57 AM

LTC Jorge Cordero — Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:57:42 -0400

Although many sates and DC have de-criminalize recreational marijuana (cannabis), the federal government has not. When DC legalized cannabis I was working at Fort McNair and we were all reminded that it was still illegal in the Federal Government and on military basis. A couple of weeks later we were met by personnel handing out pee cups for us. I believe that until the cannabis lobbyist spend more money in congress (like the alcohol and tobacco industries do) it may never be legalized federally.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2023 5:21 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 17:21:46 -0400

It will never be legal in the military.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Aug 17 at 2023 11:52 AM

SSG Bill McCoy — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:52:01 -0400

Hopefully ... NEVER.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Aug 17 at 2023 1:34 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 13:34:06 -0400

There is no reason to change UCMJ Article 112 and I strongly doubt that any sane person in the military leadership would ever consider it.

Marijuana use is currently prohibited under UCMJ Article 112a not 112. Due to the weird way the articles are numbered 112a is a completely different article from 112.

The military does not get to amend articles of the UCMJ because the entire UCMJ is federal law, enacted by congress as Title 10 of the United States Code, Chapter 47. Yes, the entire text of Title 10 was undoubtedly drafted by a team of military lawyers, but the verbiage is what was passed by congress, and only congress can change it.

Worse yet for those anxiously awaiting change, the specific law for the military is separate from the overall federal law on 'Controlled Substances' which is the Controlled Substances Act, otherwise known as Title 21 United States Code, Section 812.

Because these are separate laws, they have to be changed separately -- Congress will eventually be pressured to change the Controlled Substances Act, but when congress amends 21 USC 812 that won't automatically change 10 USC 912a which is UCMJ Article 112a.

There is a strong lobbying effort to change 21 USC 812 but little or no effort to change 10 USC 912a.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2023 1:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 13:38:02 -0400

In 2090 maybe...

Response by Maj Bruce Miller made Sep 10 at 2023 6:12 PM

Maj Bruce Miller — Sun, 10 Sep 2023 18:12:42 -0400

My concern with allowing THC in the context of 'not-so-bad' is where do we draw the line? Heroin? Meth? Cocaine? Alcohol and nicotine are long time established drugs that have been institutionalized with time-tested parameters on what is allowed and what isn't. Adding drugs to this will make things yet more complicated and enforcement regs that much more difficult.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Oct 14 at 2023 2:48 PM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 14:48:04 -0400

I don’t see it happening for a long, long, long, time. People use marijuana and they are incapacitated more so than alcohol. And remember, being incapacitated by alcohol is a UCMJ offense as well…..

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Oct 30 at 2023 12:39 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:39:28 -0400

Doubt that will ever happen.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2023 6:26 PM

MCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:26:17 -0500

Marijuana is illegal Federally, good luck

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Dec 9 at 2023 10:27 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 22:27:23 -0500

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH,