How hard would it be to go back to Active Duty from the National Guard right now? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I ets'ed last year, moved home then decided to go guard and now have been in the guard for one year now. how hard would it be for me to get back on active duty as of now? Sun, 10 May 2015 21:45:32 -0400 How hard would it be to go back to Active Duty from the National Guard right now? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I ets'ed last year, moved home then decided to go guard and now have been in the guard for one year now. how hard would it be for me to get back on active duty as of now? SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:45:32 -0400 2015-05-10T21:45:32-04:00 Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 9:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658012&urlhash=658012 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What is your MOS re code and sep code? 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:46:14 -0400 2015-05-10T21:46:14-04:00 Response by CPT Bruce Rodgers made May 10 at 2015 9:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658015&urlhash=658015 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe AGR? CPT Bruce Rodgers Sun, 10 May 2015 21:47:49 -0400 2015-05-10T21:47:49-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 9:48 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658018&urlhash=658018 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not that hard as long as your MOS matches the active duty business rules. Or if you have airborne you should be on to come back in as long as your unit conditionally releases you or you ETS. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:48:35 -0400 2015-05-10T21:48:35-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 9:50 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658021&urlhash=658021 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>With the Army downsizing, I imagine it might be pretty difficult. Don't mean to burst your bubble, but hope for the best, prepare for the worst. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:50:12 -0400 2015-05-10T21:50:12-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 9:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658022&urlhash=658022 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Wait your 11B so baring you didn&#39;t separate on bad terms you are good to go SGT. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:51:36 -0400 2015-05-10T21:51:36-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 9:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658025&urlhash=658025 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Speaking from a &quot;fresh off the recruiting trail&quot; stand point...probably pretty tough. Your MOS Vs. the Accessions Business Rules. If it&#39;s not on the list...you can&#39;t come back active, only the reserves which probably totally defeats what your trying to do since the 2 are pretty much one in the same (AR &amp; NG) = Part-Time. One things for certain though...gotta go through a recruiter. Good luck to you. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 21:51:12 -0400 2015-05-10T21:51:12-04:00 Response by MSG Gerry Poe made May 10 at 2015 10:00 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658049&urlhash=658049 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I did it back in 93 and it was pretty easy! I've got two soldiers that has tried and it has turned up a NO-GO! Retention in the Guard is priority right now! MSG Gerry Poe Sun, 10 May 2015 22:00:11 -0400 2015-05-10T22:00:11-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658068&urlhash=658068 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is a little difficult, you need to go talk to a Recruiter, and the NG would have to release you, lastly it all depends on the current business rules. For many people the hardest part is getting the release from the NG. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:04:42 -0400 2015-05-10T22:04:42-04:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:07 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658075&urlhash=658075 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have known 3 Guard soldiers who tried. The only one who got through and actually went RA did so on an 18x contract. I heard he didn't make it through selection, but I haven't talked to him since he left, so I don't know. However, he is active duty now. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:07:56 -0400 2015-05-10T22:07:56-04:00 Response by Matthew Torrelli made May 10 at 2015 10:08 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658081&urlhash=658081 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just reenlist for AD but if you might want to call your local recruit station and check about keeping your rank sometimes you have to give up rank for reenlisting. Matthew Torrelli Sun, 10 May 2015 22:08:33 -0400 2015-05-10T22:08:33-04:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658083&urlhash=658083 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It always changes, but you can talk to the recruiter. MSG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:10:14 -0400 2015-05-10T22:10:14-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:11 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658090&urlhash=658090 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not hard at all add long as your CO will sign off on it. It is nothing more than a couple of out going counselings and a form signed by your commander releasing you. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:11:14 -0400 2015-05-10T22:11:14-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658098&urlhash=658098 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go see a recruiter. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:13:07 -0400 2015-05-10T22:13:07-04:00 Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 10 at 2015 10:20 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658114&urlhash=658114 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My case is unique. I got out in 2004 and I went back into the Army in 2007. I got out as a Sergeant and I went back in as a Sergeant. I basically had a job interview with a Major and from the things I said and of course slot dependent in the Army, I was allowed to retain my rank as a Sergeant. How did I do that? I earned a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice and said a bunch of other stuff which I don't remember. I did say I had a moment of "self-actualization" and realized what I did wrong in the Army and what I would do to make it better or to do things correctly. I wish you<br /> luck in your endeavors. SSG (ret) William Martin Sun, 10 May 2015 22:20:32 -0400 2015-05-10T22:20:32-04:00 Response by SSG Mike L made May 10 at 2015 10:22 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658116&urlhash=658116 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would go see a recruiter ....but get it in writing brother ..iif it isn't written down it didn't and doesn't happen. .. SSG Mike L Sun, 10 May 2015 22:22:21 -0400 2015-05-10T22:22:21-04:00 Response by MSG Martin Griffith made May 10 at 2015 10:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658117&urlhash=658117 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you're ready to lose some stripes and take whatever shortage MOS they want to throw at you, then the chances are great. Otherwise, you should explore other option. MSG Martin Griffith Sun, 10 May 2015 22:21:03 -0400 2015-05-10T22:21:03-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:23 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658120&urlhash=658120 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm in the iowa guard and as an E5 I went active back in 2006. It was a pretty easy process thru a recruiter. It depends on your enlistment incentives ie bonus and such. Whether the guard will release you only after a year. I was originally guard to begin with so I caught a bunch of problems once I got there. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:23:22 -0400 2015-05-10T22:23:22-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:28 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658135&urlhash=658135 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Business rules??? Really, must be the new militaries terminology. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:28:15 -0400 2015-05-10T22:28:15-04:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658140&urlhash=658140 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>11b with airborne meets the current business rules. The hardest part for you is getting the conditional release from the NG. Talk to your recruiter in your area, if he doesn&#39;t help call me and I&#39;ll put you in active boots!! 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:30:19 -0400 2015-05-10T22:30:19-04:00 Response by PFC Tuan Trang made May 10 at 2015 10:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658141&urlhash=658141 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Pretty hard. But you'll get there. PFC Tuan Trang Sun, 10 May 2015 22:30:37 -0400 2015-05-10T22:30:37-04:00 Response by SGT Felicia King made May 10 at 2015 10:53 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658214&urlhash=658214 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree, best bet is to see a recruiter. I, personally, wouldn't think it would be that difficult since it's only been a year. Of course, as long as you got out on good terms. I knew one of the MPs that got out for a year or so, worked for the CHP, then enlisted again as infantry with the option of attending selection for Special Forces. He had went before, but didn't make it the first time. He made it this time and was selected. Because he was an NCO he didn't stay with the brand new privates in basic training. I think this was 2012-2013. SGT Felicia King Sun, 10 May 2015 22:53:18 -0400 2015-05-10T22:53:18-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 10:56 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658220&urlhash=658220 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would tell you to go see a recruiter. I remember back in my recruiter days when the surge was in full swing and it was still really difficult to get NG on Active duty. Now that the Army is cutting back, I could only imagine how hard it would be. However, good luck! SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 22:56:59 -0400 2015-05-10T22:56:59-04:00 Response by COL Charles Williams made May 10 at 2015 11:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658251&urlhash=658251 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Pretty hard, if not impossible, when the Army is downsizing. But, that is a specific question for a recruiter. COL Charles Williams Sun, 10 May 2015 23:10:07 -0400 2015-05-10T23:10:07-04:00 Response by SFC Victor Smith made May 10 at 2015 11:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658271&urlhash=658271 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Everyone will give you the opinion you best bet is to see your recruiter. SFC Victor Smith Sun, 10 May 2015 23:21:49 -0400 2015-05-10T23:21:49-04:00 Response by PO1 John Miller made May 10 at 2015 11:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658339&urlhash=658339 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe a recruiter can answer this question. This is something I&#39;ve noticed in all branches. Why is it so difficult for a veteran to come back on active duty versus some kid off the street? I.e., why does the military seem to want to take someone with no experience over someone with experience? It would seem that the veteran would be easier and cheaper to train. They wouldn&#39;t have to go through boot camp/basic training again, they may still have their uniforms, depending on their new contract they may keep their previous rate/MOS and wouldn&#39;t have to retrain in a new one, and the list goes on.<br /><br />So my question is, can a recruiter explain this logic to me? PO1 John Miller Sun, 10 May 2015 23:47:02 -0400 2015-05-10T23:47:02-04:00 Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 11:53 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658354&urlhash=658354 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>11b 1p E-1 - E-4 are currently open to transfer from NG to Active Duty, I'm currently in the process. Unless something changed E-5 wasn't on the list SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 May 2015 23:53:35 -0400 2015-05-10T23:53:35-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 12:06 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658366&urlhash=658366 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would have to look at the business rules but I believe the only thing open would be 35P (language) or a few other in the 35 serious. Once you hit the NCO ranks it's extremely hard to go back RA. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 00:06:34 -0400 2015-05-11T00:06:34-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 12:55 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658438&urlhash=658438 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the Guard is like the Reserves, you would need to see local recruiters to get a 368, (the rest your S1 would assist with) get a 4856 from retention, a 4856 from the CO, 4651, a recommendation from the CO and you need to type a letter stating why you want to go SSG Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 00:55:56 -0400 2015-05-11T00:55:56-04:00 Response by SGT Theron Cowan made May 11 at 2015 1:14 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658466&urlhash=658466 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I went back and forth Between the Guard and Active Duty two times before Retiring from Active Duty and it basically depends on the requirements for prior service. When I was deployed in Afghanistan in 2012 I was attached to a Reserve Unit who had soldiers wanting to switch over to Active Duty and they couldn't because of the draw down and the fact that Active Duty wasn't taking any prior service at that time. I don't know if that has changed but definently talk to an Army Recruiter to find out. SGT Theron Cowan Mon, 11 May 2015 01:14:19 -0400 2015-05-11T01:14:19-04:00 Response by SFC Daniel Faires made May 11 at 2015 1:44 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658500&urlhash=658500 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Good luck, guard retention is number one, depending on your state remember it has to go to the TAG and the TAG can still deny it. <br />Every body counts and if you want to go AGR remember this you will not be doing your MOS until drill weekends and that's only if you are in a unit that makes that work. Most AGRs I know do the same thing on the weekend they do during the week <br />But good luck in whichever path you attempt !! SFC Daniel Faires Mon, 11 May 2015 01:44:17 -0400 2015-05-11T01:44:17-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 7:03 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658695&urlhash=658695 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm in a similar boat. I ETS from the VA Guard next SEPT and have been wondering the same thing. I have not talked to a recruiter yet, but a former recruiter in my unit told me that Active Duty probably wouldn't take me back even though I'm squared away. While I still have a year left, I'm exploring the Reserves option as well. I think it might be easier to go Reserves then transfer Active Duty from there because you wouldn't necessarily have to ask for the state to release you (like many have already mentioned). I think one of the guys on here is right if you want to go 18 series and don't pass selection, you will go Active Duty afterwards. A guy mentioned that while I was at WLC last year. Anyway, good luck SGT! Go Hawkeyes! SFC Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 07:03:58 -0400 2015-05-11T07:03:58-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 7:37 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658731&urlhash=658731 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go see a recruiter and hope and pray the guard will release you. National Guard is getting hit just as hard as Active and Reserves with "reduction" of Soldiers. You are a number to then and they need numbers right now! Talk with your full time staff and ask if they have seen conditional releases go through over the last 3-6 months. Best of luck. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 07:37:44 -0400 2015-05-11T07:37:44-04:00 Response by PO1 Seth Crotser made May 11 at 2015 8:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658827&urlhash=658827 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I know that for the Navy you have to do two years and then you can put in a request to go active. There's not a lot that I hear of that gets approved. PO1 Seth Crotser Mon, 11 May 2015 08:43:33 -0400 2015-05-11T08:43:33-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 9:37 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=658950&urlhash=658950 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The only way I'd be able to go active from the guard right now would be to go SF, you have your commander sign a conditional release that releases you from the guard on the condition you join the active army, then you go to infantry osut, airborne training, then SF selection. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 09:37:38 -0400 2015-05-11T09:37:38-04:00 Response by SSG Jerrold English made May 11 at 2015 10:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=659172&urlhash=659172 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My first enlistment was 75 to 79. Stayed out until 83, re-enilisted and ETS'd again in 91. readjusting to military life wasn't to hard. readjusting back to civilian was harder the 2nd time around lol SSG Jerrold English Mon, 11 May 2015 10:43:15 -0400 2015-05-11T10:43:15-04:00 Response by SGT Richard Ellis made May 11 at 2015 11:41 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=659370&urlhash=659370 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Have you considered going AGR? SGT Richard Ellis Mon, 11 May 2015 11:41:39 -0400 2015-05-11T11:41:39-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 5:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=660404&urlhash=660404 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First off, talk to an AC recruiter IOT ensure there is a slot in your current MOS that will suffice. I'm pretty sure at 11B you are G2G. The local recruiter should be savvy on your state's requirements are for conditional release, as well as your BN PSNCO.<br /><br />Second, using your CoC, discuss the release process requirements of your organization/state, your eligibility, if any bonus or incentives will be recouped, etc. Your BN Retention NCO/Strength Manager should be spun up on this.<br /><br /><br />Depending on your motives for returning to AC, have you considered dropping an AGR packet? SSG Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 17:13:37 -0400 2015-05-11T17:13:37-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2015 7:15 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=660657&urlhash=660657 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was national guard and came active back in 2010 and the process is rediculous. It's like your joining the military for the very first time. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 May 2015 19:15:30 -0400 2015-05-11T19:15:30-04:00 Response by SSG Robert Blair made May 12 at 2015 6:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=663076&urlhash=663076 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not easy, but I wish you the best of luck in doing so!<br />I know many who have been denied. Even experienced 11B's (which you'd think they would always want). If you go to gold it may give you a better chance. Good Luck! SSG Robert Blair Tue, 12 May 2015 18:58:01 -0400 2015-05-12T18:58:01-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2015 4:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=665278&urlhash=665278 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From what I was told it depends on the Army's need! If you already have the qualifications to go back then they may except depending on what kind of contract you have signed! For me, I can't go active due to the fact I do not have Airborne! SFC Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 13 May 2015 16:45:41 -0400 2015-05-13T16:45:41-04:00 Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made May 13 at 2015 10:16 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=666176&urlhash=666176 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Many good answers here. The best is talk to a recruiter with you DD214 in hand. Another option is the AGR program. You are a full time active duty soldier, one of the handful that keeps everything working. If you are in the right state and get in a good position you can put in your time and probably move up faster. Another option is the Technician program. You wear the uniform but are actually NOT on active duty. I knew a guy who joined joined when he was young and retired as a MSG with 20-30 years and 20+ as a technician. He was in charge of the OMS (maint. shop) He'll get a pension from both and now he's also getting social security. SSG Nick Tramontano Wed, 13 May 2015 22:16:52 -0400 2015-05-13T22:16:52-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 11:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=672242&urlhash=672242 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here are The New USAREC Message I Promised To Post.<br /><br />STATUS: ACTIVE <br /><br />121700 May 2015 (EST) USAREC MESSAGE 15-033<br /><br /> From: Headquarters USAREC<br /> To: All Recruiting Personnel<br /><br /><br />SUBJECT: RA Prior Service (PS) and Glossary Non Prior Service (GNPS) HRC<br />Business Rules.<br /><br />1. Effective immediately, PS enlistments in all skill levels, to include<br />Service Members from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G)<br />Program, are restricted by critical MOS according to these rules. Reductions<br />in pay grade will NOT be favorably considered, no exceptions.<br /><br />2. GNPS in pay grades E-1 thru E-4 who have not completed MOS training are<br />not restricted to the rules. GNPS with 179 days or less of Active Federal<br />Service (AFS), to include zero days on Active Duty (AD) are considered GNPS.<br /><br />For example:<br /><br /> a. Separated from a Reserve Component (RC) and did not ship to Initial<br /> Active Duty Training (IADT).<br /><br /> b. Separated from a RC and completed BCT but did not complete MOS<br /> training.<br /><br /> c. Separated from any component of the Armed Forces with 179 days or<br /> less of AFS and did NOT complete MOS training.<br /><br /> d. Disenrolled Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) who are NOT<br /> ordered to Active Duty. (Refer to the current USAREC message for<br /> Cadets who have elected to be discharged and desire to enter AD.)<br /><br />NOTE: Does not apply to Disenrolled ROTC Cadets who have been ordered to AD.<br /><br />3. All PS and GNPS reservations must be pulled by the ROC. Temporary<br />reservations are not authorized. Special care must be taken to ensure PS and<br />GNPS records are built with the correct days of prior military service (GNPS<br />with the correct days of service), MOS (if applicable), military history, etc.<br /><br />4. This policy DOES NOT affect Soldiers who are removed from the Temporary<br />Disability Retirement List (TDRL). All Soldiers removed from TDRL will have<br />a formal electronic grade determination completed IAW AR 601-210, Chapter 5-51f.<br /><br />5. The rules will be updated periodically by HRC.<br /><br /> a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic<br /> request for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210,<br /> Chapter 3-17.<br /><br /> b. If the applicant is MOS qualified in a MOS listed for his/her pay<br /> grade in paragraph 7a or 7c; approval will be granted in his/her<br /> grade in current PMOS, provided the applicant is otherwise qualified<br /> and meet NCOES requirements for enlistment grade.<br /><br /> c. GCs must ensure applicants who indicate family member(s) who may fall<br /> under the Exceptional Family Membership Program (EFMP) are identified<br /> to the ROC prior to a reservation being pulled. Refer to the USAREC<br /> message on EFMP.<br /><br /> d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 18B, 18C, 18D, 18E,<br /> 18F, 42R, 42S, 46Q and 46R can request an exception to the rules. Send<br /> exception request thru GCRc as a grade determination. Exceptions are not<br /> always favorably considered.<br /><br /> e. Applicants who hold MOS 15S, 15T, or 15U in grades E-5 and below, who<br /> have completed the assessment and selected for assignment to the 160th<br /> Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) are authorized to enlist.<br /> Must submit a formal electronic request for grade determination to CG,<br /> USAREC for final approving authority.<br /><br />6. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy<br />listed in paragraph 7a or 7c, and there are no retraining vacancies in current<br />grade listed in paragraph 7b, request for grade determination for the purpose<br />of enlistment will not be favorably considered.<br /><br />7. Accession date for PS/GNPS who enlist for primary option 18 (First<br />Assignment Only) will be determined by the ROC. Once the objectives/<br />requirements have been met by MOS and grade, that MOS and grade will be closed.<br />The following vacancies are available provided the applicant is otherwise<br />qualified and meet NCOES requirements for enlistment grade.<br /><br /> a. Vacancies by grade and MOS (changes based on the needs of the Army):<br /><br /> (1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 13M, 13R, 31E, 35L, 35P (language dependent),<br /> 68B(68W10P1), 68N(68W10Y6) or Enhanced Prior Service Opportunities.<br /><br /> (2) Grade E-5 - 27D (ASI "C5" only (27D2C5)), 35L, 35P (language<br /> dependent), or 68V.<br /><br /> (3) Grade E-6 - 35P (language dependent).<br /><br /> (4) Grade E-7 - 35P (language dependent).<br /><br /> (5) Grade E-8 and above - no vacancies.<br /><br /> b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOS will be used for retraining<br /> (changes monthly based on the needs of the Army):<br /><br /> (1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 11X (airborne qualified Soldiers only),<br /> 18X, 35P ACASP (language dependent IAW USAREC mission letter), or 35P<br /> (must have DLAB of 107 or above).<br /><br /> (2) Grades E-5 - 35P ACASP (language dependent IAW USAREC mission<br /> letter).<br /><br /> (3) Grades E-6 - 35P ACASP (language dependent IAW USAREC mission<br /> letter).<br /><br /> (4) Grades E-7 and above - no vacancies.<br /><br /> c. The following vacancies by grade and MOS are available if already<br /> Airborne qualified.<br /><br /> (1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 11B, 11C, 12B, 13B, 13D, 13R, 19D, 25M, 25V,<br /> 35F, 35G, 35N, 35T, 42A, 68W, 88N, 89B, 91B, 92A, 92F, 92G, 92L,<br /> 92W, 92Y, 94E or 94F.<br /><br /> (2) Grade E-5 - 13B, 13F, 25C, 25U, 35F, 35L, 35M, 35S, 74D, 88N, 92A,<br /> 92W or 92Y.<br /><br /> (3) Grades E-6 - 35F or 35G.<br /><br /> d. Applicants in the grade of E-4 and below with less than 36 months<br /> active duty are authorized to enlist Option 3 (Training of Choice)<br /> or Option 18 (First Assignment Only) (if MOS qualified) to serve<br /> in a targeted MOS as identified by the ROC. Soldier's who enlist<br /> Option 18 (no training) will count against a NPS Training seats.<br /> Applicants in the grade of E-4 and below with more than 36 months <br /> active duty are required to meet all other prior service parameters<br /> outlined in this message.<br /><br />8. PS Accession Branch, EEPD will decide grade determination for all<br />applicants who require one as follows:<br /><br /> a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status (DS) within 14 days of<br /> final grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies<br /> constantly change; if the grade determination expires prior to<br /> enlisting into the DS, it could be subject to disapproval.<br /><br /> b. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open<br /> vacancy listed in paragraph 7a or 7c and there are no retraining<br /> vacancies in current grade listed in paragraph 7b, he/she will not<br /> be granted accession.<br /><br />9. If a renegotiation is approved the Soldier may enlist under current rules or<br />the rules in effect at time of entry in the DS.<br /><br />10. Applicants who hold an Additional Skill Identifier (ASI) may request an ETP<br />without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in paragraph 7a. Not all exceptions<br />are favorably considered.<br /><br />11. Applicants who are proficient in a language, as evidenced by DLPT results<br />of 2/2 or higher, will also be considered ETPs and may be qualified for 35P<br />ACASP. Language ability must not have been obtained by DLI attendance.<br />Languages that will be considered are Arabic (any dialect) and Pashtu.<br />Applicants that have approved ETPs must successfully complete 35P AIT. BCT may<br />also be required IAW AR 601-210.<br /><br />12. UM 15-014 and FRAGO 54 has been rescinded.<br /><br />13. References:<br /><br /> a. Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Component Enlistment<br /> Program, dated 8 Feb 2011 with Rapid Action Revision (RAR) dated<br /> 12 March 2013.<br /><br /> b. USAREC Regulation 601-210, Enlistment and Accessions Processing, <br /> dated 1 March 2015.<br /><br /> c. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business<br /> Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 5 May 2015.<br /><br /> d. USAREC Message 14-008, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program,<br /> dated 18 October 2013.<br /><br /> e. USAREC Message 13-126, Processing Procedures for Glossary Non Prior<br /> Service (GNPS) Applicants Applying for Regular Army (RA) Enlistment,<br /> dated 25 April 2013.<br /><br /> f. USAREC Message 12-162, Identify Future Soldiers that have family<br /> members for enrollment in the Exceptional Family Member Program<br /> (EFMP) (Updated),dated 11 June 2012.<br /><br />14. Point of contact for this message through your chain of command is Policy<br />Branch, USAREC HQS RCRO-EPP at [login to see] ext 3.<br /><br /><br />Jeffrey C. Denius, COL, AR, Assistant Chief of Staff, G-3<br /><br />Enhanced Prior Service Opportunities<br />MOS Skill Level 10 (E1 - E4) Skill Level 20 (E-5)<br />12Y 10 0<br />13F 100 0<br />15D 5 0<br />15E 35 0<br />15N 20 2 (electronic grade required)<br />15R 50 0<br />15Y 25 0<br />19D 150 0<br />19K 50 0<br />25Q 20 0<br />25S 35 0<br />35F 90 0<br />35G 60 40 (electronic grade required)<br />35N 90 10 (electronic grade required)<br />68C 10 0<br />68Y 2 0<br />88M 100 0<br />91A 15 25 (electronic grade required)<br />91H 10 0<br />94F 5 0<br />94T 1 0<br />For Official Use Only (FOUO) SFC Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 15 May 2015 23:46:30 -0400 2015-05-15T23:46:30-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 11:58 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=682939&urlhash=682939 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I got out of the USMC in June 2011, and almost immediately regretted the decision. It seemed almost impossible at first to return to active duty as prior service I was shut down by literally every branch of service more than once. i went as far as traveling to recruiting stations outside of my immediate area to try and get in. the funny thing is it was an Air force recruiter who actually got my foot in the door with the army after he realized he couldnt help me he still took notice in my determination. He made some phone calls and put me in contact with a really helpful Army recruiter who had me at AIT within a month of meeting her. It took me 15 months total to get back in. My advice is be persistant dont take no for an answer and be prepared to do most of the legwork yourself. Dont give up! there will be times where it seems like its hopeless but Im sure if you really want it you can make it happen, just a matter of time the slots are there its just a matter of getting them when they come open. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 20 May 2015 11:58:13 -0400 2015-05-20T11:58:13-04:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 2:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=1315292&urlhash=1315292 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you get promoted to SSG then you're risking being demoted administratively to SGT or SPC in order to go back in. And that's if AD isn't reducing the number of soldiers in your MOS. If you're bored, or just having a hard time transitioning, then I recommend you apply for an AGR position, or go onto mobcop.army.mil and apply for a tour. Good luck buddy.<br />-MSG Reeve MSG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:38:15 -0500 2016-02-19T14:38:15-05:00 Response by CPT Dion Francis made Jul 4 at 2016 7:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-hard-would-it-be-to-go-back-to-active-duty-from-the-national-guard-right-now?n=1688012&urlhash=1688012 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would say "Extremely" CPT Dion Francis Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:57:42 -0400 2016-07-04T19:57:42-04:00 2015-05-10T21:45:32-04:00