How do you handle non-rated time because of the Q Course in your next NCOER?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 10:18:51 -0500

Morning All,
I am recently returning to the force after over a year in a qualifications course. Understanding already that I am in dire need of a extended annual NCOER and that there shall be a school code for the time I was in said course, which shall be chalked up as non-rated. Here is the question: Can items such as language proficiency gained while in the Q Course be put on that NCOER?

I was not given a 1059 and instead provided a Letter of Non-Rated Time referencing AR 623-3 and such. I am leaning towards anything good, bad, or otherwise cannot go on my extended annual as the time I was in said course is blocked off as non-rated time. However I cannot seem to locate anything within the reg that says I should/should not include anything from my time in the course.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Feb 17 at 2016 10:36 AM

LTC Yinon Weiss — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 10:36:24 -0500

My understanding is that you would not need an extended annual NCOER until you have 12 months of rated time that it can cover, even if you had over a year in non-rated / 1059 covered time. For example:

Your last NCOER went through Oct 2014. You began the Q Course in Jan of 2015 and left in Jan of 2016 (12 months of non-rated time). You would then need an extended annual NCOER in October of 2016, with a block showing 12 months of non-rated time. On this NCOER, you would not be able to use anything you received the 1059 or non-rated time.

If you have a change of rater prior to the due date for the extended annual then you would receive a change of rater NCOER with non-rated time, but you still can't use the Q Course time as long as you received a 1059 for it.

However, there could be ways you can use what you learned in the course, such as language proficiency. For example, if you are CURRENTLY putting in time to maintain your language proficiency, then perhaps you can use something like "Proactively seeks self-improvement by sustaining and working on improving his 1/1 DLPT rating in XYZ language." This way your NCOER can cover what you are doing now, not what you did in the Q Course.

There are probably NCOs on here who can help more on this, but I wanted to add my understanding. Perhaps SGM Matthew Quick can add his wisdom here?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2016 2:46 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:46:08 -0500

Your NCOER would have a non-rated code S for the time spent at school. If in fact there was no AER (DA 1059) issued, it would be appropriate to include the results or the fact you went to the course in your NCOER.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 10:01 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:01:53 -0500

Extended annual.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Feb 23 at 2016 5:08 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:08:32 -0500

If you were in an extended qualification course, you should have received a DA1059, that IS your rating for the period, according to the new regulation. A letter of non-rated time is insufficient, especially if you have been in school for nearly a year.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 1:15 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:15:00 -0500

You need an extended annual, and it needs to have 12 months of rated time on it. So, 12 months after you get back from school, you get a rating starting on your first day of school, and ending 12 months after you get back, and the non-rated time is coded S and covered by the DA 1059.