How do you feel about soldiers and leaders in combat arms who are on a permanent profile?

2016-10-06T09:57:41-04:00

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 9:59 AM

2016-10-06T09:59:31-04:00

Their branch can handle them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 10:01 AM

2016-10-06T10:01:14-04:00

There are plenty of jobs at the battalion or higher where they can heal up and learn the finer things in life like making sure the font on all of their power point slides match and how the S-3 SGM likes his coffee.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 6 at 2016 10:10 AM

2016-10-06T10:10:31-04:00

I guess it depends on what the job is and their knowledge/experience. Sometimes when the body wears out, the brain is still there, sharp as a tack and able communicate. Out on the "line", no, you need to lead from the front. There are places in HQ where knowledge can be passed, used. I think it "depends".
For me I had my own standards. I told myself if I ever needed a profile or was non deploy-able, couldn't do the APFT, then it was my time to go. With the physical problems I had, I came to that point, so I retired - but that was me.

Response by SGT Robert K. made Oct 6 at 2016 10:17 AM

2016-10-06T10:17:39-04:00

I have had the pleasure to work with commanders and 1SG's who had permanent profiles - both great individuals, and knew their job and duties, I must say they were some of the best ones I have ever worked with because they understand that when the body is hurt that doesn't mean you don't know how to do your job.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 10:19 AM

2016-10-06T10:19:53-04:00

I would think it would depend on what the permanent profile was for. The army messed up my knee so the profiled me for walking, but I could ruck march all day and leave the young ones sitting under a tree crying.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 10:27 AM

2016-10-06T10:27:55-04:00

idk, at least they are there hopefully doing their best but then depending on their status they could be slowing down the process of training. Our higher NCO leadership is tracking that as we speak, just saying.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 10:31 AM

2016-10-06T10:31:04-04:00

Did that combat arms MOS injure them to the point of needing a perm profile? Are they still doing their best to get the mission done and taking care of the troops? Stuff happens. People get hurt. As long as they aren't shirking their duties and continually moving forward with the mission.....then a perm profile is of no matter.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Oct 6 at 2016 10:46 AM

2016-10-06T10:46:03-04:00

If you are doing your job correctly, eventually you get used up. Sometimes the war horse isn't ready for pasture.

Response by SSG Jessica Bautista made Oct 6 at 2016 10:48 AM

2016-10-06T10:48:57-04:00

Sometimes a permanent profile is necessary when healing and recovery will go much farther than the temporary's 90 day maximum. That being said, a permanent profile isn't permanent. It can be adjusted or retracted based on how the patient is responding to treatment.

- 2 surgeries R foot
- R shoulder surgery
- sinus surgery
- 4 broken bones
- nerve damage in both feet
- skin reactions to adhesive tapes (we're talking burns, people) and nickel
- no problem breaking bricks or exceeding expectations
- ninja

I forgot where I was going with this.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Oct 6 at 2016 12:14 PM

2016-10-06T12:14:46-04:00

Depends.

A well reasoned argument can be made that a person who is so broken as to require a permanent profile, is too broken for their combat MOS-depending on what is "too broken" of course. And often, the underlying nature behind the permanent profile does force soldiers to move to less physically demanding jobs or get out entirely. I saw it.

That said, I would advise anyone against blanket pronouncements that a permanent profile does not an effective soldier make. Besides--and I think back to the leaders I knew when I was Infantry--if one spends 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army, especially in a physically demanding job such as those in the combat arms fields, they are most likely some degree of broken; if by some chance they are not, they'd probably be the great exception, not the rule. Remember also, that people who have spent 10, 15, 20 or more years in the Army are the leadership, if the Army were to cull everyone with a permanent profile from the herd, they would get rid of a lot of seasoned leaders or force many to hide their issues; then again, I'd bet plenty already do.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Oct 6 at 2016 12:24 PM

2016-10-06T12:24:44-04:00

Soldiers with permanent profiles can serve, within their limits because they can stay in the foreground due to the knowledge and skill sets that they have. We need brains. Not all have to be ground fighters, example intel gathers, drone operators, cyber security, etc..

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2016 3:27 PM

2016-10-06T15:27:33-04:00

If a SM can't perform basic tasks or their MOS duties they need to go somewhere where tasks and duties don't matter.

May not have to go home but they can't stay there.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Oct 6 at 2016 5:24 PM

2016-10-06T17:24:53-04:00

I think that they need to be discharged and why is it that the ARMY has Gotten so Bad if they were in when I was They would have been discharged for the good of the service and that where I STAND WITH IT. SSG MARK FRANZEN US ARMY

Response by SFC George Smith made Oct 6 at 2016 10:24 PM

2016-10-06T22:24:48-04:00

it depends on the profile...

Response by SPC Kortney Kistler made Oct 30 at 2016 3:42 PM

2016-10-30T15:42:22-04:00

Technically, anyone in the military, leadership position or not, should not be in the military if they are on permanent profile.

The fact will always remain that there are numerous broken individuals who cannot perform physically, that will always outperform capable people whom live their lives with their head firmly planted in their 5th point of contact.

A crane can lift thousands of pounds, but without someone capable at the controls, it's just a paper weight.