Posted on Mar 29, 2015
How do we help stop the killings of our older veterans by civilian police?
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Here are two examples of hundreds that happened so sadly and did not have to. How do we save our older veteran from the police. I think the police have a right to be afraid but if they are that afraid that they are killing so quickly without any time to see what is going on I think they should find a new job. two examples:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579654/Police-dashcam-shows-South-Carolina-cop-shoot-70-year-old-Vietnam-veteran-man-reached-truck-cane-routine-traffic-stop.html
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/police-shoot-95-year-old-wwii-vet-death-refusing-go-hospital
the bottom one maybe he was just tired of the doctoring and wanted to be left in peace to die on his own. But surely did not deserve to be killed by the police in this manner. what are your opinions? this makes me very upset.
Forgive me if I am having troubles comprehending exactly where to post such questions. Thank you team for helping me relocate to the proper places.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579654/Police-dashcam-shows-South-Carolina-cop-shoot-70-year-old-Vietnam-veteran-man-reached-truck-cane-routine-traffic-stop.html
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/police-shoot-95-year-old-wwii-vet-death-refusing-go-hospital
the bottom one maybe he was just tired of the doctoring and wanted to be left in peace to die on his own. But surely did not deserve to be killed by the police in this manner. what are your opinions? this makes me very upset.
Forgive me if I am having troubles comprehending exactly where to post such questions. Thank you team for helping me relocate to the proper places.
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There will always be incidents like these and there always have been. However with advent of "the information age" we hear and see every instance of it. By and large the police are doing the right thing but that doesn't make the evening news. As was mentioned earlier if you don't want to be killed by cop, just do what they ask and be compliant.
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PV2 Violet Case
I agree with that I have never even had a speeding ticket or anything. But these men were old and one could not hear. One didnt go to the doctor so to me that is murder or attempting murder. I watched a cop yell at a a deaf guy once from behind. He could not read the lips or see what was going on. he had been speeding granted that is a ticket but when he pulled over to the gas station he had his back to the police man and they tried to yell at him and pushed him into the cement with his face and did damage to his teeth and face. I didn't find that neccessary especially when people were trying to tell the police to stop he can't hear and he needs to see your lips to try to read your lips. He was speeding going 40 in a 30 so there he did deserve a ticket. But at times I think they take things to far. This man had turned in the same policeman for contributing to minors and he got a suspension and so he had it out for the deaf guy already. So some police think they have the badge and they can do as they please too. I personally get along with most everyone up here.
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Terrible and troubling events you've identified here PV2 Violet Case.
As for a recommendation, it could that there's an equipment fix? Maybe better Police vehicles that would offer the Officer protection (windshield/windows/doors) that provide better protection for the Officer, they could remain in the vehicle and make use of the PA system to get the person into a position where the officer has better situational awareness. Once the individual is in a position the officer is comfortable with, the officer can then engage.
As for a recommendation, it could that there's an equipment fix? Maybe better Police vehicles that would offer the Officer protection (windshield/windows/doors) that provide better protection for the Officer, they could remain in the vehicle and make use of the PA system to get the person into a position where the officer has better situational awareness. Once the individual is in a position the officer is comfortable with, the officer can then engage.
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PV2 Violet Case
I agree that the police have a position where they are risking their lives just like soldiers do, But the one with the tractor that was not necessary to drag him off and beat him when they were plain clothes and on his private property without warrants. But yes these police need something but when it is such an old man with is old wife the police man was already behind his door when he fired shots he could have waited just a minute to be sure it was a weapon I would think. I myself would have done that if I were the police man. Accessing a situation is also something police should have training in too. But some situations you can't take a second or you could be dead but this old man and his old wife. Don't the police wear those under the shirt bullet proof vests all the time? I read somewhere that they made light weight ones now with as much protection.
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OK, I realize Sheriff Andy is a character, but art imitates life, and I can't see Sheriff Andy, or any real live peace officers from a few years ago, ever pulling out their guns and shooting senior citizens or any citizens. There is a social, systomatic, illness here, which unfortunately will require time, money, and education to remedy. In the mean time, the goal is to stay alive. When I was a teen driver in Los Angeles County (1970s) we all knew how to respond to the LADP, sit in the car, get out your license and registration and wait. We also knew how to respond the the LA county Sheriff's Office, when pulled over in the coastal mountain canyons after dark, put your license in one hand, registration in the other hand, put both hands on the wheel, 10 and 2, sit still and wait. So, stay alive, teach your kids how to stay alive.
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To draw a parallel.
Imagine you go out of the wire every day. Some days you see things, most days you don't. You begin to coil like a spring. There is a certain point where that spring will "sproing." PTS is not just a military phenomenon. First Responders (Police, Fire, Medical, and even Dispatchers) are getting higher and higher cases of it. We know from our own reactions what it does to us. Imagine what it does to a "civilian" in a "civilian environment" while in a "position of authority" or public trust.
I used to be a gun dealer. My shop catered to Law Enforcement. We were clean, organized, inexpensive, and we didn't tolerate idiots who wanted to buy a "9," or a "Desert Eagle" because they looked cool. So we we cops in the shop all the time. Off duty mostly, but a lot of times in uniform as they were heading home/to work. One of my employees (part time) was a Pentagon PD guy.
One thing he told me that stuck with me was this. When he was much younger, working Arlington/Alexandria area, "he was scared all the time." Not big fear, but ever present fear. Constantly on edge. You never knew how a traffic stop was going to go. VA is shall issue (Concealed Carry), Open Carry, and Gun Friendly, and that usually isn't an issue, unless it's two a.m. and you pull over a housemom in a minivan on the way home from drinks with the girls, and when she is pulling her insurance out, and a .357 falls out.
In places like Detroit or Houston or Oakland... I couldn't imagine the kind of constant stress the cops are under. So when someone reaches for something... It's "understandable," not right, but understandable.
There's a fine line though. We as citizens need to be courteous & polite, and learn how to de-escalate. However, not to the point of being sheep.
Imagine you go out of the wire every day. Some days you see things, most days you don't. You begin to coil like a spring. There is a certain point where that spring will "sproing." PTS is not just a military phenomenon. First Responders (Police, Fire, Medical, and even Dispatchers) are getting higher and higher cases of it. We know from our own reactions what it does to us. Imagine what it does to a "civilian" in a "civilian environment" while in a "position of authority" or public trust.
I used to be a gun dealer. My shop catered to Law Enforcement. We were clean, organized, inexpensive, and we didn't tolerate idiots who wanted to buy a "9," or a "Desert Eagle" because they looked cool. So we we cops in the shop all the time. Off duty mostly, but a lot of times in uniform as they were heading home/to work. One of my employees (part time) was a Pentagon PD guy.
One thing he told me that stuck with me was this. When he was much younger, working Arlington/Alexandria area, "he was scared all the time." Not big fear, but ever present fear. Constantly on edge. You never knew how a traffic stop was going to go. VA is shall issue (Concealed Carry), Open Carry, and Gun Friendly, and that usually isn't an issue, unless it's two a.m. and you pull over a housemom in a minivan on the way home from drinks with the girls, and when she is pulling her insurance out, and a .357 falls out.
In places like Detroit or Houston or Oakland... I couldn't imagine the kind of constant stress the cops are under. So when someone reaches for something... It's "understandable," not right, but understandable.
There's a fine line though. We as citizens need to be courteous & polite, and learn how to de-escalate. However, not to the point of being sheep.
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PV2 Violet Case
I was with a private PI on a trip when I wanted to train to be one. Since I worked part time at the Wilson's law firm and in Ia over 18 at that time was allowed to be a server. But there were 4 of us that went threw an apartment building doing 3 day quits because the people did not move in the 30 day evictions. I saw a detective get shot close range by a shot gun just over a eviction notice. We were told that if they open the door and tried to close it to put our foot in the door so they could not close it all the way. Not sure how they do it these days I'm getting old now. But he was shot and I changed my plans. When the police tried to get him out they ended up getting him and had to handcuff his ankles and hands and he fought them wiggling all the way out of the building and cut his head and actually tried to sue the police for police buretality so I had to testify to what happened. So I do no and understand the risks and what they face in some ways. I just think it needs to be dealt with better. Like was suggested the speaker and the better windows and such to be behind until all is under control.
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sorry was getting tired and meant to say that civilian police are doing this.
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PV2 Violet Case
no by regular police sorry tired and it came out wrong. It almost made me cry to read about it. Another story here.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-leave-80-year-old-cancer-survivor-veteran-beaten-bloodied-broken-ribs/
There is something going on to be shooting old men like that or beating them. I was told never to leave my house if I see someone out prowling because we have had 5 fires up here in this small area and all veterans and the last one burned to death while a policeman told an RN who lived in that same trailer park to mind her own business while she was trying to get him help and get the neighbors out of their home. The Rn said only part of the front of the trailer was beginning to burn at the time and a policeman did not even have people vacate their homes in a trailer park. My friend Dave is now gone RIP brother, my home was another, another one served in two wars and he almost died too. Mine was done while the furnace guy from a weatherization program came he lit the pilot and went out and did a pressure test on the tank and the propane of course hit that flame and it was like a roaring dragon and I had to walk threw the hall out of the bathroom to get out or I would be gone. But odd my insurance paid for it the guy ran before the fire department came and he was supposed be working for the weatherization program. Things just seem like they are happening deliberately How do we protect or help them and ourselves?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-leave-80-year-old-cancer-survivor-veteran-beaten-bloodied-broken-ribs/
There is something going on to be shooting old men like that or beating them. I was told never to leave my house if I see someone out prowling because we have had 5 fires up here in this small area and all veterans and the last one burned to death while a policeman told an RN who lived in that same trailer park to mind her own business while she was trying to get him help and get the neighbors out of their home. The Rn said only part of the front of the trailer was beginning to burn at the time and a policeman did not even have people vacate their homes in a trailer park. My friend Dave is now gone RIP brother, my home was another, another one served in two wars and he almost died too. Mine was done while the furnace guy from a weatherization program came he lit the pilot and went out and did a pressure test on the tank and the propane of course hit that flame and it was like a roaring dragon and I had to walk threw the hall out of the bathroom to get out or I would be gone. But odd my insurance paid for it the guy ran before the fire department came and he was supposed be working for the weatherization program. Things just seem like they are happening deliberately How do we protect or help them and ourselves?
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PV2 Violet Case
And the one that was in the wheel chair and did not want to go to the doctor so they killed him. If he would have had a gun or opened fire on them I could see them shooting the poor man. But some of us get tired of the doctoring or troubles getting rides to go is that a reason to shot and kill us?
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