How do civil wars happen?

2018-03-08T15:45:11-05:00

I have no idea who wrote this and I don't agree with it in its entirety, but it does provide grist for a conversation (or an argument - you decide)...
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.

That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That's a civil war.

There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.

Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the Constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.

Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That's not a free country.

It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.

Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 8 at 2018 3:52 PM

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Different ideology.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2018 3:53 PM

2018-03-08T15:53:40-05:00

I'm really surprised that a few certain individual upstarts haven't jumped on this and accused you of wearing a tinfoil hat.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2018 4:03 PM

2018-03-08T16:03:12-05:00

When the government tries to take citizens rights, and those citizens decide to stand and fight. I.e What will happen if the government keeps trying gun control.

Response by LCpl Shane Couch made Mar 8 at 2018 4:13 PM

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Everyone knows that fake news causes Civil wars...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2018 4:16 PM

2018-03-08T16:16:15-05:00

I think this paints the picture pretty clear.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Mar 8 at 2018 4:30 PM

2018-03-08T16:30:58-05:00

A civil war starts because of lack of compromise,weak ineffective leadership,and 2 different national ideologies.A civil war is averted when 1.all leaders compromise 4 the good of the nation not their own self interest2.a very efficient Government and smart Leaders taking care of its Citizens down to the weakest links.3.And a nation that puts its petty differences aside and sees the bigger picture of Global Society and a ideology of 1,United.

Response by SPC David Willis made Mar 8 at 2018 4:44 PM

2018-03-08T16:44:07-05:00

The past several administrations have faced similar issues. I'd argue the first instance of it being this bad was during Obamas tenure when members of the opposition party came out on record and said their goal was to ensure nothing Obama wanted got passed. It's unfortunate but as long as they go through proper channels there is nothing illegal about it. I think both sides share equal blame and I'm really hoping voters snap out of their partisan love affair and start voting for candidates that represent their values. Neither Hillary nor Donald really represent values of their base, both are slimy but each side felt the need to pander to the extreme left/right instead of looking at candidates that were less extreme or open to compromise.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Mar 8 at 2018 4:50 PM

2018-03-08T16:50:18-05:00

The fun hasn't even started yet, no I take back the word fun, the blow back hasn't occurred yet but the pot is boiling.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2018 4:55 PM

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“Democracy Dies in Darkness.” - Indeed.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 8 at 2018 5:39 PM

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grab a pot. Put in heaping amounts of oppression, wealth and social imbalance, lack of political understanding, some salt, peppa, curry and stir until it's well overdone.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Mar 8 at 2018 5:45 PM

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When folks started finding ways AROUND ‘3 co-equal parts of government’... like activist judges... then you demonstrated we were no long a nation of laws.

When law is whatever you want it to be... then your government is illegitimate.

Everything else is merely play-acting

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Mar 8 at 2018 5:54 PM

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The Republicans, the party of Lincoln traded places with the democrats.
The Democrats of today are the republicans of Lincoln's time
The Republicans of today are the Democrats of the times of Lincoln

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Mar 8 at 2018 5:58 PM

2018-03-08T17:58:04-05:00

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to repost this elsewhere. I'll link it to this...and give you credit for reposting it here, whatever the original source.

This is straight up awesome.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Mar 8 at 2018 6:04 PM

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Politicians, they are like chess players
The moves they make are geared towards getting re-elected. I would like to see one do something that they don't think about the next election

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Mar 8 at 2018 6:11 PM

2018-03-08T18:11:25-05:00

CPT Jack,

Sir, I agree with a bit but they are not going to remove the President. At least not legally. Of course, I for one would support a civil war or at least a war against those that seem to feel that the laws of the nation dont apply and they will only enforce those that they wish. President Trump is/ was not the first POTUS to do this. President Ohbuma, President Bush (both), President Carter, President Clinton, President Kennedy, President Eisenhower and even President Roosevelt all ignored (or Did Not enforce) some laws. Do I want Americans to die? NO. Do I want things to change? Yes. Laws should be make to help people. Laws should be followed and if they need to be changed then the people should express their voice. We should not do things because the MAJORITY thinks it is "OK". Laws are Laws and should be either followed or changed. The United States of America should again be the Nation that sets the Standard for EXCELLENCE not Disgrace and Dishonor.

~ole Sarge~

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Mar 8 at 2018 6:35 PM

2018-03-08T18:35:14-05:00

An excellent article, but to add a little bit of fuel to the fire, our republic's governship is made up of three parts of which the president is but one. So removing the president, not siding with him, not accepting him, etc, is only 1/3rd of the revolutionary's problem.

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Mar 8 at 2018 6:36 PM

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The thesis is incorrect. The Civil War was not about running the country. It was about wealth and propelling certain of the citizenry out of democracy and into an oligarchy. Free labor working the free land is the key to wealth, plain and simple. John Adams felt that slavery was morally repugnant, given the nation that he and the other founding fathers created. All men are created equal, yet you have men kidnapped, tortured, and forced into labor for the benefit of another. Everything they ran away from in England they recreated, using the percentage of melanin in the epidermis of the Africans as a way to dehumanize. Adams and others knew that this was a sin in the sight of God. But, as the late Peetey Greene said... “money talks, bull$#it walks...”

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Mar 8 at 2018 9:26 PM

2018-03-08T21:26:07-05:00

Other civil wars may be due to ethnic, religious or ideological issues. Ours seems to be recurring conflict between federal government and radical conservatives...

1. Shays Rebellion: Daniel Shays, a populist Revolutionary War veteran, attacks Massachusetts state arsenal with mob of angry conservative farmers. The initial US government under Articles of Confederation stops rebellion, but struggles along the way.

2. Whiskey Rebellion: a conservative group of farmers and Revolutionary War veterans refuse to pay federal taxes or recognize Constitutional government. After being served legal papers, the group decides to violently attack home of U.S. tax officials. George Washington himself leads militia in order to disperse rebels and convince them to accept US Constitution as law.

3. US Civil War: Conservative southern states, wanting independence and maintaining legal status of slavery, secede from United States. They organize attack on U.S. military base of Fort Sumter to violently leave federal government and re-establish confederate style government.

4. Ruby Ridge: an isolationist and right-wing family, the Weavers, refuse to appear in court on federal weapons charges. FBI and ATF become involved in bloody battle in rural Idaho when family violently resists arrest.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2018 10:08 PM

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Excellent summation. JOHN DURISH FOR PRESIDENT!

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Mar 8 at 2018 11:01 PM

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It sounds like he is trying i to incite a civil war, But if he wants to do so he needs better lies.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 9 at 2018 12:40 AM

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The poor put upon party that controls both houses of Congress and the presidency, having their president being investigated by another member of their own party all the while the author blames the opposition party.

Also I seem to recall a certain birther movement that the author must have slept through, an extremely obstructionist Congress for the last guy, who also by the way was taken to court and sometimes lost when he tried to get things done too. A very one sided readying of recent history that omits anything that would show this for what it is, red meat for those who are looking to hear what they already want to believe.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Mar 9 at 2018 9:40 AM

2018-03-09T09:40:08-05:00

That is one of the most slanted, biased articles I have read in a very long time.

We are all Americans.
We all love our country.
We all support and defend our system.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Mar 9 at 2018 12:05 PM

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In my view, the narrative sums up the truth that cannot be hidden--and is on target.

Response by SGT Matthew Sesar made Mar 9 at 2018 6:02 PM

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Religion, politians and sheep.

Response by PO1 Mary Vermont made Mar 9 at 2018 7:25 PM

2018-03-09T19:25:45-05:00

So Republicans at baseball game don't matter? Interesting.
This country us ripe for civil war.
I sure the hell didn’t want Obummer but i had no choice. I did not go out and block freeway traffic or burn things

Response by Lee Taylor made May 16 at 2018 12:28 PM

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FYI, it was a veteran named Jack Minzey. He was a great patriot and a great intellect, IMO.
Here is a video interview of him discussing his background for anyone that is interested...

http://vhp.ypsi.com/minzeyJ.html

And this is the preamble to the piece Minzey wrote:

A few days ago Jack Minzey sent what was to be the final chapter in the long line of books and treatises which he had written. Jack passed away Sunday, April 08, 2018. Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein.

This is the last of his works:

Civil War

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle ......

Minzey Vet Page

Then Jack received his Far Eastern Command and traveled to Camp Stockton, California where he boarded a troop ship for a 17-day trip to Camp Drake, Japan. He was assigned to the battalion headquarters in Yokohama, Japan. While in Japan Jack was on the Honor Guard, charge of quarters, and played on both the company and battalion basketball teams.